#1015223 - 10/10/19 08:58 AM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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The true ESA species is the Native American Indian.
Perhaps all of us plants should vacate this piece of land.
ESA.....................What a chit show.
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#1015327 - 10/10/19 01:36 PM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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Fry
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] Love it honey when you call me a troll. And if you had a nag in the race it be dead last or the the glue factory.
You prove yourself that you are indeed a troll. What fishing reports have you ever posted on this site? Numerous things you say have been proven to be total B.S. You never address that. All your posts attack other members. A-holes like you should stay on the "dark side". You are the classic definition of a troll and are proud of it. Troll away, you get NO respect from anyone here. Bob R I don't need your respect or want it. It's D bags like you that will never get it.
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#1015357 - 10/10/19 03:25 PM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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River Nutrients
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The true ESA species is the Native American Indian.
Perhaps all of us plants should vacate this piece of land.
ESA.....................What a chit show. I get your point but the reality is that there is no such thing as a NATIVE AMERICAN insofar as humans did not come out of the ooze in the western hemisphere. We are all immigrants or the progeny of immigrants. But, hey, I'd be willing to go back to Norway if all of those other humanoids in the Western Hemisphere to include those claiming to be NATIVE AMERICAN would go back to the lands from which their ancestors emigrated. But that surely won't happen........
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#1015358 - 10/10/19 03:33 PM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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River Nutrients
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] Love it honey when you call me a troll. And if you had a nag in the race it be dead last or the the glue factory.
You prove yourself that you are indeed a troll. What fishing reports have you ever posted on this site? Numerous things you say have been proven to be total B.S. You never address that. All your posts attack other members. A-holes like you should stay on the "dark side". You are the classic definition of a troll and are proud of it. Troll away, you get NO respect from anyone here. Bob R I don't need your respect or want it. It's D bags like you that will never get it. Chinookie, the more you blather the more you convince others that you are less than irrelevant which indicates some sort of disorder. Untreatable Trollism (and that is demeaning to most traditional trolls)??
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#1015380 - 10/10/19 09:34 PM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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No Stars for You!
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Chinook 1 is pretty misinformed on most things and appears to have a skewed perception of past events. He is also a troll and a pretty basic one at that. Nothing special or worth even talking about really. Other similar trolls seem to come around every few months then are gone. The only trolls worth talking about are Big Stick, Nordic1/Swede, and Fish Prince.
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#1015411 - 10/11/19 08:58 AM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Salmo can you refresh my memory on why they quit allowing summer stealhead to be planted from the Toledo ponds??
That was a huge blow as well.
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#1015508 - 10/11/19 07:58 PM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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River Nutrients
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WDFW X 1 = 0,
I was never informed about why that decision was made. My guess is that WDFW didn't consider it necessary when they increased total summer run production at Blue Creek. Same total pounds of production, just in one place, and sort of hypothetically reducing the risks of straying and spawning with or in the same places used by bonafide native wild steelhead in the lower river tributaries. Even when the risk is small, management might see it as a small thing to change the program when total production stays the same, or even increases. Is the change beneficial to sport fishing? Probably not, but that's not the only consideration in the equation that management is faced with balancing.
The sport fishing world we live in has changed dramatically in recent years. Not so long ago - and when hatchery smolt to adult returns were significantly higher - a lot of management decisions were approved if they improved sport fishing opportunity and resulted in grip-n-grin photos in Fishing and Hunting News. That was good PR for WDG, then WDW, then WDFW. ESA has certainly changed a lot of that. Hatchery steelhead production for Puget Sound streams has been reduced 65% over the last 10 years. That, combined with pitifully low SAR has made winter steelhead fishing pretty much a waste of time. Total Cowlitz hatchery steelhead has remained about the same, last I heard, the difference being that early winters were terminated, late winters increased, and summer run production increased. Unfortunately, SAR is so darn low, returns are so bad that I didn't fish the Cowlitz even once this summer or fall. That's a first, but I digress. A lot of decisions to reduce hatchery steelhead stocking and limiting the hatchery release points to places where adult collection of uncaught fish is highly likely are based on helping recovery of wild, or natural production, ESA steelhead. IMO that won't have much of an affect on recovery because recovery is dependent on more significant factors. But as you know, there are a lot to True Believers who are certain that hatchery steelhead are a main cause of poor wild steelhead production.
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#1015528 - 10/12/19 10:02 AM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
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Not producing fish saves a lot of dollars. Might be another factor.
Whether it's how much better the fishing used to be or how much pressure it used to keep off other steelhead fisheries, just about everyone misses the not-so-old days on the Cowlitz. Driving into those Cowlitz boat launches/parking lots now it is hard to believe they would be absolutely full back then during early winter run steelhead season.
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#1015536 - 10/12/19 10:47 AM
Re: Cowlitz issues
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
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Not producing fish saves a lot of dollars. Might be another factor.
Whether it's how much better the fishing used to be or how much pressure it used to keep off other steelhead fisheries, just about everyone misses the not-so-old days on the Cowlitz. Driving into those Cowlitz boat launches/parking lots now it is hard to believe they would be absolutely full back then during early winter run steelhead season. As a long time Grays Harbor resident....Oh how I wish for the "hay day days" of the Cowlitz River, kept the guides and many of the "big city fishers" busy catching springers, winter and summer steelhead, Coho.....Now when I fish, I have the big boat guides, 100's of drift boats, and the walk in fishermen to contend with. More people, less fish.....not a good situation!!!!!
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#1015593 - 10/13/19 09:12 AM
Re: Cowlitz issues
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1057
Loc: Graham, WA
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More people, less fish.....not a good situation!!!!! Unfortunately, this is how it's going to be everywhere from here on. The really sad thing is, for all the young fishermen, THESE ARE the good ol days.
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