#824890 - 02/23/13 12:35 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
[Re: Doctor Rick]
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The link is to the WDF&W NOF calendar for 2013. The Montesano & Olympia meetings for Grays Harbor ( Humptulips, Chehalis, & The Harbor itself ) are open to public participation. While not generaly known the Grays Harbor Advisory Board Meetings ( also Willapa ) are also open to the public BUT only to observe the proceedings not to participate in the discussions. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2tWjgmgVy3yZVh2WmQyaHl1MU0/edit
Edited by Rivrguy (02/23/13 12:37 PM)
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#825109 - 02/24/13 07:23 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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i think its march 14th in monte
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#825115 - 02/24/13 08:52 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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Grays Harbor Fisheries March 14 Montesano City Hall 6-8 pm according to my calendar
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#825120 - 02/24/13 09:55 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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#825176 - 02/25/13 12:20 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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I did not catch that the high lighting had changed as it is the way R-6 provided it, sorry about that and we will try to do better in the future. The meetings for the GH Advisory Group on February 28th, March 6th, and March 20th identified as Montesano are at the Region 6 offices. Remember the public can only observe not participate in the discussions. The meeting March 14th is Montesano City Hall for public participation & input as is the March 29th meeting which is at the Natural Resources Building in Olympia as shown. The March 29th meeting is about who catches what / when.
Edited by Rivrguy (02/25/13 11:58 PM)
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#825329 - 02/26/13 01:17 AM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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What do we want Region 6 to hear? How's this for starters...
1) Let's be intellectually honest about our harvest models. They've been low-balling the true fishing power of the fleets, both rec and commercial, particularly for chinook. At low abundance returns, the rec fleet has a priority allocation. By being honest about how many fish it really takes to fuel the rec fishery, it leaves us with a more realistic figure of how many fish are actually available to fuel any gillnet days.
2) Let's be intellectually honest about the mixing of stocks in the marine area. The model counts nearly 1/2 the kings in the bay as Humptulips stock, effectively diluting the true impact on Chehalis stock. On paper this permits many more fishing days to be added to the season.
3) Let's be intellectually honest about chum. The other species of fall salmon are segregated into Hump stock and Chehalis stock. Why are chums treated with a double standard? Because lumping them together in aggregate allows more fishing days to occur.
Bottom line, let's stop spending phantom fish that don't exist. While it all may work out on paper, there is no buffer to protect against models that don't pan out in real life. The escapement shortfalls are no where to be seen on paper in the final NOF documents, but year after year, they are certainly evident on the gravel.
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#825334 - 02/26/13 01:39 AM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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Not to bad as a starting point on the conservation side Francis. I will add that we get the preseason forecast at the Advisory Group meeting the 28th, then one can begin to look at what is or is not possible for harvest for 2013. I replied to your PM DR just a little running behind on the e-mail thing.
Little edit: The one thing I can say with certainty that will happen this year is everything that happens in the Grays Harbor NOF and the allocation process will be made public. No exceptions.
Edited by Rivrguy (02/26/13 09:23 AM)
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#825722 - 02/27/13 06:55 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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Commercial non treaty gillnetters:
Willapa Bay and Grays Harbor.....have days for NT netting, the same for both Harbors.
For to long, the Non-treaty gill netters, have been allow to pick the days they want to fish....
By allowing them to set/pick days, the NT gill netters are cherry picking, and the in river fishermen, gets the short end of the stick.
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#826204 - 03/01/13 01:17 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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Lost the forematting on this, it is fine in the preveiw but toast here but you should be able to pick out the numbers. Gzzzzzzzzzz So here are the Chehalis and Humptulips Preseason Forecast numbers. Coho is way up there, Chinook not so and the Chum numbers are combined for the Harbor. More later as I have asked for the preseason forecast Excel spread sheets.
2013 GRAYS HARBOR PRE-SEASON FORECASTS SUMMARY
Spring Chinook Forecast 2247 Goal 1400 Harvestable 847
Chehalis Fall Chinook Humptulips Fall Chinook Wild Hatchery Wild Hatchery Forecast 15132 1202 5504 2430 Goal 12364 47 2236 369 Harvestable 2768 1155 3268 2061
Chehalis Coho Humptulips Coho Wild Hatchery Wild Hatchery Forecast 168993 51525 12915 29796 Goal 28506 1202 6894 2120 Harvestable 140487 46675 6021 27676
Chum Grays Harbor Forecast 30176 Goal 21000 Harvestable 9176
Edited by Rivrguy (03/01/13 01:30 PM)
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#826222 - 03/01/13 03:08 PM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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Translation... Chehalis fall chinook will be the constraining stock, esp for the NT gillnets in early October.
Chehalis chinook = Tier 2.... marginally harvestable run-size w/ rec priority. Limited chinook retention is likely.
Chehalis coho = Tier 4... fully liberalized harvest on a HUGE run-size
Hump chinook = Tier 4.... count on a full season w/ wild retention
Hump coho = Tier 4.... count on full season w/ wild retention
Chum are harvestable... count on some addl late Oct gillnet days
Let the games begin!
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#826392 - 03/02/13 05:29 AM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
[Re: Rivrguy]
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I am in this for one reason, to break the continuing institutionalized discrimination of WDF&W toward the inland communities and inriver sports fisher. Hopefully in the process help the fish.
Just to give folks an idea of how bad the upriver guy got screwed on the Chehalis, just look at the creel counts from Cosi, Monte, and Fuller.... Cosi - 9 days creeled averaging 1 king and 13 coho for 16 boats per day.... thats about 0.06 kings per boat and 0.81 coho per boat.
Monte - 11 days creeled averaging 0.91 king and 16.5 coho for 32 boats per day.... that's about 0.03 king per boat and 0.52 coho per boat
Fuller - ONE glory day creeled (so take it for what it's worth)... 3 kings and 89 coho for 46 boats. That's about 0.06 king per boat and 1.9 coho per boat.Let's just say the bay guys did a "little" better.
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#826407 - 03/02/13 11:42 AM
Re: FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET
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Rivrguy wanted me to post the image, from his posting above: This is for the Chehalis and Humptukips
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