#105288 - 12/28/00 04:32 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 11/13/99
Posts: 110
Loc: Lynnwood
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*COURT DECISION - On December 19 the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals released four decisions that may have an amazing impact on fisheries in Washington State should the Governor of the State of Washington decide he wants to implement them. I have been waiting for a ruling like this for twenty-two years. This is a summary of what those decisions were;
1. The Chehalis Tribe does not have any treaty fishing privileges granted to other tribes since they were not party to the treaties. Any commercial fish they catch in Grays Harbor, the Chehalis River, or elsewhere must come from the non-treaty half of the catch. 2. The Lummi Tribe does not have any treaty fishing privileges in the Straits of Juan de Fuca. Their treaty fishing areas (usual-and-accustomed) exist only in the Bellingham Bay area and Admiralty Inlet. 3. The Lummi Tribe does not have treaty fishing privileges in Area 10 (Edmonds south to Vashon Island). 4. The Muckleshoot Tribe does not have treaty fishing privileges beyond Elliot Bay.
This ruling is huge in its implications because it is the first time since the infamous Boldt court decision in the late 1970s that the courts have seen fit to define what "usual-and-accustomed" places are for individual tribes. Judge Boldt never did define that term which is what lead to the free-for-all unregulated commercial fishing by the tribes and possible endangered species listings of Puget Sound steelhead. As long as each tribal commercial fisher could fish anywhere he wanted free of any regulation simply because he was a treaty fisher, no tribe had a vested historical interest in protecting an individual run. The Lummi's in particular poached fish from the territory of other numerous tribes even though, historically, those tribes had been mortal enemies for hundreds of years. The Muckleshoots have been doing the same with geoduck clams, a resource we will probably lose within the next three years due to tribal overharvest. If Judge Boldt had originally decided to define usual-and-accustomed places for each tribe, it would have gone a long way to curb our state bureaucracies' irresponsible fisheries management policies and search-and-destroy goals for fisheries for the last twenty years. As capitalism teaches, we tend to protect the things we own. Another astounding effect of these decisions will be the effect on future salmon treaties with Canada. The Lummi Tribe among others have been insisting on being treated as a coequal with the United States and Canada in talks over catch of Canadian sockeye salmon from the Frasier River as they passed through the Straits of Juan de Fuca. Canada has insisted that our "aboriginals" such as the Lummis are U.S. citizens and therefore would not deal with them directly. On occasion, the Canadian negotiators have even walked out of negotiations rather than negotiate with these supposed tribal sovereign nations of U.S. citizens. The Lummi's and other tribes like the Swinomish have even insisted they were not bound by decisions to limit their ability to hijack valuable Canadian sockeye salmon in the Straits of Juan de Fuca. This court decision has effectively removed the Lummi's as barriers to these international talks. Effectively, this ruling has given the state the power to regulate the fisheries of these tribes anywhere outside of their "usual-and-accustomed" areas (the Chehalis no longer have the one they illegally demanded) and, therefore, these tribal fishers become just like the rest of us with no special privileges. This court ruling is a huge chink in the propaganda armor of the tribes as promoted by the mainstream media and the Democratic Party that resistance is futile to any outrageous tribal demand. Don't get your hopes up too high for any immediate effect in our state, however. Treaty tribes funnel millions of dollars of gambling and other money into the state Democratic Party and provide it numerous services for good reasons. This situation will be fun to watch develop.
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#105289 - 12/28/00 07:45 PM
Re: Good news. Must read
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Parr
Registered: 08/31/00
Posts: 59
Loc: Maple Valley, Wa. U.S.
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That's a good start. If!If!If! The Gov will do anything about it. We will have to wait & see.
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#105290 - 12/29/00 04:16 AM
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Wow! That is good news Hairball. Thanks for posting it. I will copy it to our BB. Would you mind copying it to other fishing BB's? This is not only good news but should encourage fishers to get behind writing and protesting campaigns to enhance our chances at fair sportfishing quotas. ... And to think, when I read that topic heading I thought that you went and cut your hair . - RT
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#105291 - 12/30/00 06:23 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 270
Loc: Sunny Salmontackler Acres
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Does anyone know the impact this decision will have upon the Ballard Locks net fishery?
Thanks
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#105294 - 01/01/01 10:14 AM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 11/21/99
Posts: 180
Loc: Chehalis, Washington USA
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Hairball, In regards to the Chehalis...I am not sure that is good news that we sporties have to share with the Chehalis Tribe our catch numbers...now if you are talking about the Quinaults who are really the fishers of Grays Harbor and the Chehalis up to the Wynoochee (Chehalis Tribe catch is minimal compared to the Quinaults) then I need to take a closer look....can you enlighten me further on this??
Jim
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#105295 - 01/01/01 03:27 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 12/21/00
Posts: 112
Loc: Shelton, WA.
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The ruling is good news indeed, Thanks for the posting. It does seem to limit some of the ex-treaty netting going on, but wont mean much without enforcement. From what I understand, WDFW is forced to cut back on enforcement efforts due to revenue shortfalls, they're blaming I-695, so may not be able to do as much as we would hope. Dont expect too much on that front. Since the sport fishermen are easier targets, and any fines are "free" monies to the local agencies, we'll continue to receive the majority of their attention. The Cowlitz (my tribe) are still having a problem with the Quinault. Both political, and range-related. For now, the only thing certain is there will be no nets on the Cowlitz River. If anyone ever sees nets in the Cow', we can make them go away by any means necessary. Now, if the same people were only so dedicated about their elk management. The next logical step would be to engage the treaty-member tribes in a temporary agreement to stop all netting for a specified period, until the runs can be re-established. This would require federal support and funds, as the treaties are federal. How could this be made to happen??
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#105296 - 01/02/01 03:29 AM
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Fry
Registered: 12/08/00
Posts: 21
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Yes i agree the court rulings are a great step in the right direction, but why slam democrats for stalling fish recovery? Slade has been a sore on the butt of any salmon - steelhead programs for years and a buddy of big agricultural- logging-development business as well. He could not even agree to drop a no brainer dam, like theElwa. All sides are guilty of hedging with the money that supports them, whether it is right or wrong. Save our wild Steelhead and Salmon
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#105297 - 01/02/01 01:36 PM
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Parr
Registered: 05/31/00
Posts: 42
Loc: Federal Way
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A little clarification, read the Muckleshoot opinion (9th circut court of appeals- http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=9th&navby=case&no=9935960&exact=1 ) This decision only regulates the saltwater area of the Muckleshoot fishery. They wanted to include a fishery in area 11 by claiming that it was part of the usual and accustomed places. The court rulled they were limited to Elliot Bay. It does not remove fishing rights from Green/Dawamish, Cedar, White, upper puyallup or Lake Washington. They can still hold the fisheries there, including the Lake Washington netting. I believe the Lummi tribe was the tribe that netted the ship canal for Sockeye last summer and this opinion will end that. ( http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=9th&navby=case&no=9936224&exact=1)
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#105298 - 01/02/01 04:01 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 07/28/99
Posts: 447
Loc: Seattle, WA, USA
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Interesting and hopeful news. But if these are court rulings, why does the state have the option to abide by the ruling or not? Isn't this the law, which would require implementation by the state and be indifferent to the political influence of the tribes?
I'm afraid I don't have the background to know exactly what this means, but I would love to hear the opinion of Salmo g., our resident expert on salmon management issues.
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#105299 - 01/03/01 03:35 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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The most appropriate response might be to read the court decisions as written by the Court and decide for yourselves whether the news is good or bad. I would hope the 9th Circut would have a website so their decisions would be widely circulated. If anyone knows of such a site, it might be worth posting.
I'm not sure what the court decisions mean since I haven't read them yet but I am a bit concerned by the summary of the Chehalis opinion. If the court ruled that the Chehalis Tribe cannot take their fish from the treaty share of the allocation, then it must come from the non-treaty share. But those fish are the sport angler allocation. Those are OUR fish.
The next question is whether the State of Washington has an obligation to provide a tribal fishery absent a treaty reserved right. I'm not sure. But I suspect the State will provide them with something since the State provides both a non-treaty commercial and sport fishery without a "treaty right". Remember, the Tribes have a right to fish while for the rest of us, fishing is a privledge. If the State provides that same privledge to the Chehalis Tribe, every fish they allocate is one less fish for the sport or commercial folks. In effect, the Chehalis opinion may mean more fish for the tribes and less fish for the sport anglers. To some folks this might be good news. But I suspect the majority of the BB readers wouldn't view it that way.
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#105300 - 01/03/01 03:49 PM
Re: Good news. Must read
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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Oops. I goofed. Just saw Thinker's post. Thanks for providing the link to the court decisions. My mistake.
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