Nobody is paying their student loans anymore. Pay your fvcking debts deadbeats. You are the reason that college is so expensive. If your parents can't afford to pay for college you don't deserve to go.

What about we rich kids who never had to borrow so much as a dime to pay for college? Isn't it even more unfair that we a) had to pay ridiculously inflated prices because all those nasty little poor people were allowed to spend someone else's money, and, b) we weren't given any financial aid grants and were forced to pay the full retail price for the mere crime of our parents having lots of money?

The free college and loan forgiveness is disincentivsing unsustainable and patronage at the most obvious. If your parents don't have money obviously they are dumbfvcks and pieces of sh!t. You would also be a piece of sh!t because the sh!t apple doesn't fall far from the sh!t tree. You don't deserve to be educated, you aren't even educated but just indoctrinated status seeking fools who took degrees in womens studies and art that could not pay off in 100 years. No one should pay more than 10 cents for the "education" coming out of universities these days.

Pay your debts deadbeat. If you are in debt you are basically a slave and you deserve to be a slave because you enslaved yourself. Millions of "highly educated" air breathers out there who can't get a job with their $100K "social studies" degrees. Learn to code or turn a wrench and pay your debts.

But they took the stupid degress with all the virtue signalling it entailed, without an ounce of talent, and now its MY problem since my parents and I paid mine straight cash. This is subsidizing parasitism and stupidity to no end.

A reminder to the shills that you will never, not in your entire life, get socialism. You will never get universal healthcare. You will never get a UBI, you will never get free college. Why? Because it takes 60 votes in the senate to override a veto and you can barely get 47 in a blue wave year. Even if you had the most dominant electoral performance in history, you would only get at best 53, with likely 3 of those (manchin, etc.) refusing to vote for any of that garbage. Not in 10 years, not in 50 years, not in a hundred years, will you ever get any of the sh!t they're promising you.

You are shilling for a party that wants to destroy your race, that wants to destroy the economy so you lose your job (not that you have one). You are doing this all for the promise of free sh!t that they know for a fact they can never deliver. You are quite literally enslaving yourself for a scam.

Well consider that one of the reasons why the minorities were not so hot for feeling the Bern with Bernie Sanders, in particular on education costs and insurance, is because unlike the white Bernie bros, the browns already get the benefits that Bernie promised. The young white lefty Bernie bros still miss this diversity elephant in the room: they are alone in this because they are the wallet. Brown people and women already get free grants to go to college and the fact is most of them lack the IQ to actually get a degree.

People will never pay off your degree in Lesbian Interpretive Dance. If loans are taken away most degree suffixed with the word "studies" will evaporate like a mud puddle in mid-summer in Death Valley, and return a degree of seriousness and rigor to higher learning. "Wokeness" will likewise too get the boot. And, of course, college costs will plummet like a rock.

Giving out loans for students to get a BS in BS so they can buy an MA in BS and never earn jack sh!t is retarded, just as retarded as you fvcing millenials. Pay your debts. Millennials are an entire generation of trash, you are not educated, you are indoctrinated. If you are a millennial don't even reply because your opinion will be immediately discarded like the garbage it is, like the human piece of garbage you are.

Next thing we will see is rich people not paying their taxes.

Taxation is theft. Nobody should have to pay taxes, except voluntarily as compensation for government services they want and use.

Doesn’t evergreen have a nude beach? Prob a lot of hair but whatever I’m okay with that.

Either be good at sports or stay local those are my rules for kids wanting to go to college.

Evergreen does has a nude beach and you'd wish armpit hair was the worst of it. They have morbidly obese land whale polyamorous demigender otherkin with tattoos and facial piercings. If you want to be absolutely disgusted make a tinder account and set your location to evergreen and look at all of the horrific people.

I've got one in college right now but I'm sending him out of state to complete his degree because in a red state they don't require a vaccine and I hope he meets a nice girl. This state doesn't have nice girls they have libturd porkers as described above. These women are absolutely disgusting. "Twerking" their fat smelly ass in your face. Having degenerate tattoos all over their body. The emotional maturity of children. Fvck them. I would gladly pay the out of state tuition rates to avoid my sons becoming a liberal or even worse dating one or wasting any of his time on some emotionally unstable libtard whore.

No, tax evasion is theft.

How is keeping your own money theft? Its not the governments money, it's yours. You can't steal something that actually belongs to you.

Having the security of living in America is not free.
You should move to a third world country, that way you can pay the warlord directly.

I've already stated that paying for services you want and use is fine. Security is a service I want and use and have no problem paying for. Paying for some libturds college degree is not a service people want and use. The liburd used the service of education and they should pay. But you already knew that you fvcking retard shill.

You really look like a clown making this statement...

Take take take.... But, you're probably the type that if you won the powerball you'd bitch about having to give nearly half...

Keith

The top 25 richest people in Americas pay zero taxes.
Corporate America is currently paying 10% of the tax burden.
Face it Keith you are a fvcking idiot.

Corporate America is taxed at 21%. Wealth and income are two different things right?

Keith

Do you really expect people to sit here and listen to your stupid drivel you leftist parasite? This thread is about college loan deadbeats, none of the top 25 rich people are deadbeats. Make your own thread about the top 25 rich people but since you are too stupid to string more than two sentences together, I'll address it here.

Any rich person that pays no taxes also has no income since we tax income and not wealth. According to ProPublicia "The IRS records show that the wealthiest can — perfectly legally — pay income taxes that are only a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, their fortunes grow each year." (source: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-s...void-income-tax). So they pay little in taxes but a little in taxes is greater than zero, if you went to college you'd know that even a small something is more than nothing. So the issue is not that they don't pay taxes, they just don't pay what is in your opinion is enough. Your claim that the top 25 pay zero is provably factually incorrect but so is everything else you believe and post here.

Any person who pays taxes is a fvcking moron. Do you know how to create wealth without paying taxes? It's easy, you build an asset that is worth something and since that doesn't count as income as long as you keep the asset.

Here is a 100% foolproof way that anyone can become rich, even sell the asset and not pay any taxes. Buy an uninhabitable foreclosed home, move in and remodel it to make it habitable or buy a piece of land and build a new house. Now you have an asset, that you increased the value of tax free. Live in the house for 2 years and sell it. Up to $250,000 of the gain is tax free, $500,000 if you're married. If you can't live off $125,000 tax free a year you are a fvcking moron. I have personally remodeled houses and made $200,000 gain in value. Just look up on the internet how to do construction for what ever it is and fix or build what needs to be done. Its not hard or difficult, just takes some grit and sweat. Also you have contributed to society by providing shelter, a human necessity that we have a shortage of.

Basically the "rich" you hate do the same thing but instead of building houses they are building billion dollar companies but the concept is the same. They don't pay taxes because they are not making income, they are increasing the value of their assets. If you want to be rich you could have done the house thing I explained up above. If you want to pay taxes and work your whole life like a stupid moron then bitch on the internet about successful people who didn't fail in life like that scumbag Shillashe did, you can do that too.

Anyway this thread is about college, not the top 25 rich people. Pay for your college you parasite millennial deadbeats. If you want the government to pay for your college, join the fvcking military and use the GI Bill. That is the only way you will ever get the government to pay for it. In fact every single student loan deadbeat should be forced to join the military to work off their debts killing brown skinned kids overseas. They won't because most of them are effeminate limp wristed pussy bitch cucks who couldn't even handle being in the military even though tons of borderline retards are successful in the military. Speaking of borderline retards being successful in the military, just look at Shillashe.

That's not fair!!!!!

Keith

What's not fair is moochers and looters who create nothing of value but just take and and take and take, get to spout off their hateful moronic opinions in public about the people that have created everything they possess. What's not fair is letting these moochers vote so they can destroy our civilization just like they destroy all the wealth that they mooch and pass right through their hands. What's not fair is that these moochers aren't simply taken to concentration camps and exterminated. The only fair thing liberals deserve is a bullet to the head, and I'd happily pay the tax for the bullet.

Oddly enough, the top 25 richest in America are all slimy democrats for these most part..

I went to an in state college and did a lot more borrowing than I should have. I paid for rent and school with loans and was surprised by how easy it was to get approved. In the end I paid $60K for college 15 years ago. I paid it off in 5 years with a pretty low paying job and felt it was no big deal. I know college is a lot more now, but I was very conscious of how much I owed at the time and wanted to pay it off fast. Also back then my bills and cost of living were way low so it was a good time to do it. After I paid it college off I bought a house by plan because both debts at the same time was way more lost money to interest. I learned a lot about borrowing and paying back a large debt from my student loans. It seems like people take on large debt nowadays likes it’s no big deal and pay the minimum payment. I was raised by my dad to hate hate hate debt.

I think the myth is that college gets you paid fast. It still took me 5 years after college of working hard to get something like a family wage job. I have no idea how a middle aged adult with a family could re-train or really start a new career taking the loans and then paying them off. It’s not worth it.

I think the secret in life is to make a long term plan that works long term for you and stick to it. I could probably be way richer and taken more risks, fished less, whatever, but I did make a pretty conservative financial plan and have little debts and it feels good. Society will never be able to pay for everyone to have what I have, it took a lot of decisions.

Plus, worst case scenario, my vault full of Mickey Mantle and Ohtani cards is all I need to keep me comfortable for the long haul.

Oddly enough many of them are jews, 12 of the top 25. Why is Shillashe such an anti-semite? He should cool it with the anti-semitic remarks.

Nobody needs your opinion on deadbeats and taxes, deadbeat.

I was surprised that all of the guys I went to high school with that didn't go to college and did construction jobs were far wealthier than I was with only a 4 year head start. It took me many years to finally surpass them in wealth. I told my kids they should just get a construction job, learn the trade, start your own business, buy a house and they will be far better off than going to college. My son wants to go, so I'll pay for it because I hate debt. It's not that hard to manage money and start multiplying money, anyone can do it. Even a minimum wage earner can easily become a millionaire if they manage their money correctly. I've taught my kids how to do it, so whatever they do I'm sure they will be a financial success.

Spoken like a true Republican...

Keith

nobody needs your opinion on anything, so go blow someone else..

Well it really all depends on what you study. If you gain STEM skills in college, then you can walk right into high paying jobs. Both my kids got 4 yr degrees in software engineering and waltzed immediately into 6 figure gigs.

And to the thread title, my kids went to state colleges (UW and one in Oregon) and didn't need to go to $$$$ schools to be in demand.

Yes, I paid for much of their tuition and they accepted small FAFSA loans which they paid off within a year. It also helped that my youngest got baseball scholarships. Getting paid to play baseball. Way cool.

managing money is crucial, i used to blow everything within a couple days of making it...

for me it took me to have nothing to realize what i was doing wrong...

i didnt even have a bank account.. cars broke down, didnt have the money to pay for them, sold them for dirt cheap, etc..



7 years later, 1 car paid off, another about to be paid off, 30k in the bank, and we can do pretty much whatever we want...

but i dont, i keep saving money, and not buying things that i dont really need..

just have to watch Katie and the fvckin Amazon Prime account

4800 is what I pay ever 3 months for my daughter. FAFSA gives very little which I'm good with being its others money...
I moved her out of the dorm because she was being roped into 900 for her and her roommate payed 900 which seemed a bit absurd being her apartment is 500 each for more amenities.
She will have a degree and a head start so to speak on others with no education however, if she had to pay it back it would takes years and the head start my not be noticed for years!
Search Washington state salaries. That will give you an idea what professors are making and its crazy! Class to a million a year for a lot of the UW professors!!

Awesome! Getting a free education for playing baseball sounds sweet, good for you and him.

I'm not for college loan forgiveness. I saved and invested my hard earned money in CDs back when they gave you a 10% return when there was inflation. My freshman year was cheap I think it was $500 per semester and $2000 room and board in the dorm. Tuition like doubled or tripled by my senior year. My parents chipped in some and I worked 25 hours a week and summers to earn.

Now the graduates get a bonus when they are hired to pay off some of their debt.

My son and daughter never went to college. My son went to trade school in construction and was able to find work through the union and has plenty of work in Seattle. He kind of regrets not going to college because carpentry work is tough. My other older son works construction in Vegas for some firm and makes more than I do with my engineering degree.

What wrong with all you guys having perfectly reasonable opinions and doing good for your kids? This is the Darkside! Where are all the liberal idiots and butthurt broke debtors? Steelheadman, DBS and Timber sound like you raised them right. That's awesome!

Timber I agree with most of what you said but not the head start. You don't get a head start by going to school, you get a head start by working and investing and the earlier you do it is the head start. Not that you can't catch up or that it is always a wrong decision but if you do the math, compared to someone who went in construction but started 4 years earlier, it's a either financially worse off to go to college even when 100% paid for or maybe a wash, depending on how much you make when you graduate. No matter how you pencil it out you will never be better off financially by going to college as opposed to working and investing at best you can break even. There is no head start by going to college, the head start is by working and investing, the sooner you start that the better it's hard to get over the lost opportunity cost, it is such a head start that it is almost impossible to overcome that. Good for you that at least they are not in debt so they are not held back by that. Instead of looking at it like a head start, look at it as breaking even and breaking even on it is good enough. But to have the lost opportunity costs AND a huge debt, you are behind for sure no matter how much you make. People that do this better like their job because they will be working at it for awhile. My goal was to retire as early as possible and with that goal in mind, college defiantly wasn't a head start.

They shouldn't give out loans at all, it messes the whole system up. I want doctors to be doctors because they are smart, not because they have high financial risk tolerance.

lmao

I laugh too mini D..

I laugh too..

If you can't afford something, don't buy it.

Totally agree, this is one of the slogans I live by. Another slogan I live by is: 'Do what you promised to do.'

I'm a crazy right wing extremist so I basically think people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others, one of those things that I think people should be allowed to do is make binding promises. Especially when it's written in a legal contract.

Sage advise, hear that Steamy Welcher?
Ever wonder why third world countries are kicking our ass academically?
The state pays their college tuition.
What a conglomeration of dumb asses, you should start a party, maybe call it Retrumplicans.

Here is the thing. That bet was BS because nobody believes you would have left had you lost. If it was a bet over money I'd 100% agree with you, but it was over BS. He didn't leave but neither would you had you lost. I like steamers posts, I don't like yours. I want to buy out his bet. How much do you want, if it's reasonable I'll pay. In fact how much would it take just for you to never post again, I'd pay for that too.

I’ll pay 500 bucks for a Jake forever ban and if he ever shows up again I get the 500 from sky or pak

Welcher felcher.

I will match this. Make it $1k.

Jake is the biggest asshole on this site by far. That autistic fvck needs mental help.

Ok you won't take my money. Fine. But you have no right to bitch about him welching ever again because I just offered to pay you and name the price.

Maybe you should just leave. I'll still pay for that. How much?

Can't put a price on your word. It should be worth more than anyone could pay you.

I'm going to keep hassling Steamer just like I hassled Hank. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, and don't make a bet unless you're going to live up to it.

What I can't believe is that someone would jeopardize their honor and good word by refusing to leave PP. lol It's not like being told to give up beer or fishing or something that actually matters.

I'm just glad to hear Evo's become such a high roller without a college degree and without a blue-collar job, either. Impressive.

Couldn’t agree more. Welchers rank as thieves in my book.

Keith

Mini D's mental capacity is that of a fruit loop..

i already told you i got a degree in Horticulture from Renton Tech, a long, long time ago...

dont worry about what i do Dan, just worry about not getting stepped on...

anyways, i have a sporting clays shoot to attend, have a nice day...

I read about the participation trophy degree you got but failed to utilize to gain employment.

I don't worry about what you do. I just like to laugh about it from time to time.

I think that you should appreciate horticulture more, like who do you even think grows your weed?

I was a part of the FFA, wonder if I’m still a member?

Speaking of college degrees, how is your liberal arts degree in philosophy working out for you <REDACTED>? Is the money rolling in, hand over fist, as you quote Descartes or Mills? Must be nice lording over the manor of your esate in <REDACTED>. And since you mentioned the morbidly obese Evergreen coeds, when, if ever, was the last time your physique resembled trim and fit?

Actually I agree with some of your less crazy statements. I oppose college loan forgiveness. When people incur debt, they should pay it off, either with loan payments or service. It's good for people to have skin in the game. People who get their educations paid for by their parents (like you did) or by others tend to appreciate it less than those who spend their own money.

The head start thing falls into a "it depends" category. It depends because the outcome isn't necessarily the same for everyone. I can relate because I didn't have rich parents who paid for my college education, and I didn't immediately work in construction after high school. So I worked a variety of jobs that paid a bit more than half of what I would have made working construction. The lesson I learned is that it takes longer to get ahead financially when earning less. By the time I finished college, my high school classmates who went straight into the trades were financially better off than I. I caught up and eventually passed them, but it took years to do it. If I had it to do over again, I would have gone straight to construction work first, for the financial payoff and skills I would have learned sooner.

A flip side is to attend elite universities like my two daughters did. Their degrees allowed them access good paying jobs immediately. Repaying college loans, which were relatively small, was small change in hindsight. So going straight from high school to college was a better strategy for them; besides, they wouldn't likely have gotten jobs in construction.

As I've already mentioned in this thread, I would have been better of just going straight into construction and not going to college at all. But other than that irrelevant point, I actually agree with you on the part about college and trades. Except obviously you didn't know me back in college, I was fit then but gone downhill since. Being fat when your old is pretty common but being fat in your prime is a whole nother ball game.

I don't lord over anything in Yelm or even this state anymore. I have properties in other states that aren't run by libtarded idiots with stupid pro tenant laws.

Actually my "parents" didn't pay for it. My mom and I did. My dad is a fvcking scumbag lowlife piece of sh!t and never paid for sh!t except $200/month in child support when I was under 18 which was the bare minimum and he was forced to. He doesn't give a fvck about either or his kids, grandkids or anyone but himself and has told me he is disowning me in his will which is fine by me. I'm not sure why he hates me so much, but it's mostly that I'm not a democrat. Imagine being such a liberal douche you disown your entire family over politics, like who even really cares? I worked through college, managing a pizza restaurant and bouncing at bars on the weekend in Seattle. So I payed for some and my Mom paid the rest. I was going to go on to law school with that Philosophy degree but I didn't want to get a loan so was trying to work and save up enough money, but as I was making money I figured I'm making as much as a lawyer anyway so why bother.

Also, it's pretty uncouth to refer to people by their real names and not their handle they are using. Please quit acting like you know me, we fished like twice and you were normal then but I didn't know at the time you were friends with my Dad. As for your job and parasitic lifestyle mooching off the government teet, you are really not in a position to look down on anyone. You think you are so smart and better than people and really you aren't. You made your living off of other people's taxes so show some respect to all those taxpayers who you depend on like a helpless child. You are an old grey haired helpless child and can fvck right off. You are so inadequate and unworthy of being in my presence or speaking to me that the only one who is less worthy is perhaps my Dad.

If I could have a single superpower, I wouldn't choose lightspeed, strength, invincibility, invisibility or flight. I would choose the ability to force others to see themselves from my perspective. The absolute satisfaction of seeing their crestfallen faces realize in horror what actual irredeemable garbage they are is beyond any wealth I can imagine. Salmo you are irredeemable garbage.

Not only is that wrong but it is probably one of the most presumptuous and incorrect things I have ever heard. You probably have the lowest IQ, lowest social-emotional intelligence, and lowest overall intelligence of any poster in the darkside.

You have no idea about anything education related because you have no education for yourself. You are less of an expert on education than Dan is but he at least tutored kids in college for beer money, so that makes him only slightly more of an expert than you.

Do you know why our asses are kicked academically around the world? As much as you would like it to be a simple answer to wrap your simple minded brain around it isn’t. It is a multitude of factors. One of which is that formalized public education is not a budget priority and is never properly funded to the extent that it should. Another factor is that we have the highest degree of diversity among learners which is the exact opposite of homogenous groups in the countries that are kicking our asses. We have some of the the highest rates of child poverty, lowest levels of parental involvement (a predictive factor in academic outcomes) and educate all children regardless of situations, abilities, disabilities etc. But I wouldn’t count on you knowing that because of your low intelligence and low social-emotional intelligence to comprehend what you are reading should you actually manage to keep your visceral emotions in check long enough for you to completely read this post (if you are even able).

Point being you know nothing, it shows, and it comes as a surprise to no one here.


-Steamy

Gnomesayin’ seems upset…

Steamer, my word means nothing, but you should pay attention to what I think.
Fvck off welcher.

That’s good advice. He has a tendency to insert/assert himself in others situations and problems.

I love you too my favorite shillshee! For my sake I hope you never change! I can’t imagine you being anything but miserable all the time though. It must suck to be wrong about most things on top of being miserable.


-Steamy

How much do you owe Steamer? Damn, lol. Every other word on here is welcher.

I don’t even owe $0.01.

The shillster just wants me gone because I’ve been living 100% rent free for the last 2-3 years. He can’t take it anymore and he’s losing his mind. It’s so bad the point that he won’t even accept thousands of dollars as a payoff.


-Steamy

That's a pretty fancy way of saying I call welchers welchers when they welch on a bet.

Like you did.

Welcher.

lol

That's not what happened at all. You made a bet, and when you lost, you didn't uphold your end of it.

Any other account of what happened is a fabrication.

Hmmm, OK, I'll be more couth and refer to you as FHP, although I suspect you were straight up snagged. And your dad doesn't seem to hate you near as much as you appear to hate him. If he hates you, why are you driving his old Tundra? Or is it your brother who is driving it? At any rate, someone who makes more than a lawyer shouldn't be driving an old Tundra.

Me being irredeemable garbage in your opinion is damn near a compliment. Thanks!

Still not sure what's going on, but sounds serious!

Damm, leave the Tundra (s) outta this!

I’m old, don’t make a lotta monies nomo, but my old Tundra gots nearly 300 k and she’s still pulling it’s ore cars for carbon credits !

Salmo drives a Subaru.

Don't listen to him.

lol

Isn't that like a lesbian staff car?

I'm not into fancy cars, I don't need a lambourgini. I have a pretty modest lifestyle, because I want financial independence and retiring early (look up the "FIRE movement" if you are not familiar with the concept). I would describe myself as an "everyday millionaire" or "millionaire next door" that lives a life indistinguishable from any normal person. I don't wear fancy clothes, my wife doesn't wear fancy clothes or jewelry either. We don't even have wedding rings because it's an unnecessary frivolity. Not just the financial angle but I'm also religious and try and be plain and simple for spiritual reasons (the testimony of simplicity) and I consider luxuries to be a sin. Two of my idols are Thoreau and Ted Kaczynski. I've actually written letters to him about simple living and he wrote me back. I'm one of the few people to receive mail from the unabomber that didn't explode. I tell my kids about him and tell them to refer to him as Uncle Ted. His cabin is actually my dream house but my not my wife's and obviously you can't have kids there. So I make some sacrifices.

I have 5 cars so the Tundra is not my daily driver. It's just a beat up old junky truck that I use it to haul garbage to the dump, in fact I made a dump run with it yesterday. Sometimes my son drives it and I originally bought it for him to drive but he has another car he likes better so usually drives that. My Dad didn't give it to me, I paid my Dad $2k over blue book price for it because he thought it was worth more than it really was and since he is not financially stable he probably needed the money more than I did and $2k isn't a significant amount of money to me but it is to him. I had told him years ago that if he ever sold it, don't sell it to the dealership but just sell it to me and I will pay you the dealership price. He told me that the dealership was offering him $2k over blue book and since I had already agreed to buy it at whatever the dealership was willing to pay I felt obligated. I also suspected his was lying and the dealership didn't offer him way too much money for the truck, but it is at least possible the did just to make the sale and they'd make more money on the one he bought. I don't get why you are so fixated on this truck, like you are jealous of it and want it or something. If you want to pay me $2k over what it's worth I'd gladly sell it to you.

He hates my brother just as much as me but I can't imagine why as my brother is an angry bitter liberal douche just like he is. He has no relationship with him. For example my Dad has never visited my brother's apartment. He's at least been to my house a couple of times. Strange he has no relationship with either of his sons. Must be the sons fault.

You keep acting like you know me just because you know my Dad. How my Dad acts towards me and what he says to me seem to be completely different that what he is telling you. Maybe he doesn't want to tell you embarrassing things or tell you about how much of a jerk he is. One thing is for sure, you are completely clueless and misinformed about my relationship with my Dad. You have never seen us at the same time and are just using what he tells you as your source of information and what he is telling you is a misrepresentation of the truth. Since you are such great pals with my Dad, you must also know my mother because you all lived in the same town and went to the same high school and were best friends with her brother. Why don't you call her up and ask her about my Dad and you will get a a completely different story from what he says to you and it will coincidently match what I say.

I'm not really angry just kind of scratching my head why you say stuff about my relationship with my Dad that's so inaccurate. My Dad has done a bunch of fvcked up horrible things that he never told you about and I don't feel like airing all his dirty laundry publicly here. If you really care, call me on the phone and I'll explain more stuff in detail. But I don't think you really care, but please just stop posting about me and my Dad. I'm embarrassed for you about your ignorance on this issue. You are so cocksure that what my Dad tells you is what really happens between us it's just odd that you have never observed us interact but somehow think you know more about our relationship than I do. It's just weird.

Please stop posting about my relationship with my Dad telling me I'm wrong about my perception of our relationship you have no firsthand knowledge of. It would be like me telling you how great your relationship is with your ex-wife and your perceptions of that relationship are wrong and even though I never see you interact I somehow know more about the relationship than you do. It would be absurd. Don't be absurd. It's fvcking hilarious the more you post about me and my Dad the more you demonstrate just how far up your ass your own head is.

This thread is pretty off topic, I'm surprised none of these Bernie Bros haven't popped in to tell me why I need to pay for their college for them. I'm sure some of them are reading though, so I'll repeat this for them.

PAY YOUR DEBTS DEADBEATS! If you want the government to pay for your college, join the military and use the GI Bill.

get right with your dad brotha... trust me...

The ball is and has been completely in his court on this. He will never do anything because he's too self absorbed, selfish and stubborn. I gave up hope of him reconciling years ago. I wouldn't refuse but I have come to realize that he never will and is incapable of it. There is literally nothing for me to do to make things right with him. I get that you miss your Dad who died but I have absolutely no feelings whatsoever towards mine. It is he who has rejected me and continues to reject me. I've numbed my feelings over this. It is what it is, oh well life goes on.

Sometimes, when an old person is hanging on to life well beyond the point where life can be meaningfully lived, they become subject to a “mercy killing”. In American Indian culture, people who got to this point were left for the wolves. In Old Norse culture, people who got to this point were put on an ice floe and pushed into the sea. In Anglo culture, people who get to this point are often smothered in their sleep by pillows.

When he gets old and senile, I hope he gets in a care facility that employs anti-American immigrants who after beating and abusing him, smother him with the pillow and as the pillow descends, "Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie" will be droning away on the nursing home loudspeaker. The day of the pillow can't come soon enough.

I also like how salmo g always follows me around in threads like a stalker to bring up off topic stuff about my Dad that I don't care about and have zero interest in discussing. He is probably thinks he is trolling me, but it's just a topic I'm uninterested in or merits anything more than a shrug. I appreciate the attempt at trolling but Salmo as for this one, I rate it only 1/5 Pillows. Try to find another topic and maybe you will finally get me. There is always the pubic hair thread, maybe you can bring up my Dad and his old tundra there.

Mentallyillahee, dimwit, easy to say when you've had your hand out and been victimized by everyone most or all of your life. Most people who currently pay taxes don't want to put other people's kids through college.

I'd rather get eaten by wolves.

Hey smart guy, the people with all the money are not paying their fare share.
If you are OK with that then you are a dumb sh1t.
Wealthy welfare is killing this country.

It isn’t about “paying your fare share” because nobody should be obligated to pay anything. There should be no federal income taxes at all. The founders did not intend to have a system in place that takes money from its citizens. They founded a country and system to be the opposite of that and its the type of bull schit they fled from. The founders are rolling in their graves over the idea that people like you turn a blind eye to the faults of government and allow it to dictate over your pathetic lives like the gullible little sheep you are.

But I wouldn’t count on you to know this either. You don’t know history because you are not educated. Just like you don’t know much of anything else because you are not a very bright individual.


-Steamy

It's better for people to think you're fvcking batshit crazy, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

FHP,

Uhmm, if you look at your posts and my posts, you'll see that you posted many more lines about you and your dad than I have. He doesn't say much about you, just as you don't say much about him, until now. Sorry I brought it up, but yeah, that model year is a classic for the Tundra. Easily worth $2k over book. Lucky you.

Meanwhile, it appears most here agree that college ought not be a freebee.

Knowing my luck, as I continue to aggressively pay off student loans, once they are finished there will probably be complete student loan forgiveness given the recent discussions of the last two years. At least I can live with pride knowing I’m not a deadbeat and paying monetary debts but doing minimal payments hoping the forgiveness occurs sounds rather tempting.

Still plenty of money left over to invest in the markets... if this administration doesn’t schit all over the economy. My portfolio loved Trump far more than it does Biden at the moment.


-Steamy

I'll call you out on that one.

A lot?

Let's see the list.

As a refresher......

https://www.kxly.com/washingtons-5-highest-paid-state-employees-in-2019-were-college-coaches/

Only professor on that list is Christopher Murray....and public health is big money work, just like medicine, so that is not surprising he's on the list.

I'm surprised the Dean of UW Medicine is not on that list.

Mike Leach did like to teach. Not how to play good football, but I'm sure he taught something.

arent the highest paid professors at UW around like 225K?

most in the 150K range? (depending on class of course)

Yes.

Fish on...

Todd

Yup. Those numbers are more realistic.

Junior faculty getting paid the least and tenure faculty, along with an Assistant Dean, Dean, or President position are the ones at the highest levels.

Ok, not the highest. Those go to football coaches and UW Medicine bosses.

Some of the assistant coaches are making a million + bucks. I don't know how much of that is state money vs money out of the football programs, etc.

It's a government job...the salaries are all on the internet.

Fish on...

Todd

for profit colleges are government jobs?

did not know that..

i thought they had to pay the employees through tuition costs..

interesting..

We were talking about public institutions. Private universities can do/pay whatever they want and however they want and they generally do not disclose that info.

Katies old doctor was the Clinical Assistant Professor of Medicine there for a while.. so im sure she was paid well, but most likely not like what the salary is during today...

sh!t kinda hit the fan and Katie works for the top prevantative cancer and breast cancer surgeon now (at her company)..

so if college employees are government employees, how did Fauci be the highest paid government employee at 417K?

or is state and federal 2 different things (as usual) when it comes to that? (college employees are state correct?)

Fauci is a federal employee.

The highest paid Washington State employee is pretty much always the head football coach at the University of Washington and Washington State University...and they make about 10x what Dr. Fauci makes

Fish on...

Todd

There are probably a couple of professors at both schools that make $400k, give or take, but I doubt there are any that make $500k, much less $1,000,000.

Most make about $150K, give or take.

Fish on...

Todd

looks like David Silvers is the highest paid professor in the US, at 4.3 million...

when you get to 10, its already under 500k, so you are most likely right... the highest at UW might even be in the 300K range...


https://thebestschools.org/magazine/highest-paid-college-professors-america/

I understand the kneejerk reaction of wanting others to pay for theirs, if you had to pay for yours, but it's pretty shortsighted, really.

1. It's far better for the economy, including yours and mine, to not have so many young people saddled with unmanageable debt.

2. It will cost us all more, in the long run, to pay for all the other services that those young people won't be able to afford due to crippling debt.

If "It sucked for me, so I think it should suck for you, too!" is your motivation...one, it's kinda lame and schitty to think that way, and two, if being selfish is really your motivation, be motivated by the fact that us taxpayers will pay less in the long run to help them now, vs. help them all along for a long while.

Let your selfish economic sense, such that it is, override your selfish dick sense, such that it is.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I have almost no dog in this fight, so far as the selfish dick part goes; my zillions of dollars in student loans are done, and my lady's are down to a few grand...we'll be barely helped by any forgiveness, if any comes, at least directly.

P.P.S. This conversation is similar to lots of conversations about social services...even if shown the simple math, like paying $1 for this service saves $7 in the long run, many people would rather pay the additional $6 in taxes, and the reason why is "fuckthatguy".

Not a great reason to waste money, IMHO.

I would favor 2 years government paid jc tuition for either college credits or trade school.

is that for me?

i dont have any college debt, when i was in the CITC program through WSU (building in Bellevue) i had to pay for it quarterly myself, no loans, none of that stuff... books and such were extremely expensive, it was also done through hourly on the job time that would advance you to the next phase, the Renton Tech Horticulture degree was mainly paid by the highschool i was attending, but i had to pay for some of it through Renton Tech itself, but that was almost 25 years ago..

Katie did accrue some debt through her degree, but thats alright... it shall be handled...

i only have like a year left on the CITC program, i could just stop doing what im doing and continue that, and after a year would be a certified journeyman carpenter, but as i said, its in Bellevue, and the classes end at 10PM, and im about an hour and 20 minutes from there now, so maybe at some point i will do that...

i think i can also just take the test for the finals, but it costs a bit of money, and honestly, i dont think im ready for that yet, maybe i am, i dont know..

me and Katie litterally get to see each other for about 2 hours a day, 3 tops, then on the weekends i shoot so we get a little more then, but its not much... thats all good tho, weve got some goals and will move a bit north in the future, would like to be closer to my brother, and not have to deal with the bullsh!t traffic on 167 and 410...

This one feels like a no-brainer, and in addition, we could forgive a like amount to those still owing...not a total forgiveness, but forgive the equivalent of two years of school.

Fish on...

Todd

This is an invalid argument, an example of the false dilemma fallacy because we don't have to pay for services for them later. We can not pay college forgiveness now and not pay welfare later because 100% fvckthatguy. Nobody should be getting a free ride for anything. What's the difference between robbing my house, or indirectly robbing me by going through the welfare office having the government rob me and give you the welfare.

At least 50% of welfare is wasted on fraud. Remember Swanny, there is lots of people like them. FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD. How much are you personally willing to pay so Swanny takes fake disability while he is out running a guide business poaching fish and cutting off adipose fins for clients. Personally for me it's zero. Pay your debts deadbeats. They only person that wants to pay for your debt is Todd. He likes paying debts, but how much extra does he have. I know Todd, like all liberals, is generous with other peoples money but how generous is he with his own? How much extra do you pay in taxes over and above what's required so they can pay off all these debts? I'm guessing zero which is that exact same number I want to pay. Nothing is stopping you from writing a check, but instead you just virtue signal about it which costs you zero. So unless you want to put up some extra money you might as well shut up because until you reach for your checkbook I think you are a a fullofsh!t blowhard hypocrite. Pay debts millennials. The government isn't going to pay them. Todd isn't going to pay them for you either, despite what he posts here.

But but but... the 1% should pay for it... because fuckthatguy. I’m jealous of all his money.

Isn’t the double standard hilarious?


-Steamy

Wow it's almost like he never brings me up because he doesn't care about me and I don't bring him up because I don't care about him. For some reason you sure care more than both of us.




Like I said, not sure why you're jealous over it. I'll sell it for $2k over what it's worth anytime. I sell you a lot more stuff for $2k over what it's worth too. Anytime.

As I noted above, it's my money, and I'm not getting any forgiveness, so Steamy and Pinky can re-write their rants.

Everything costs money, and we can decide how much we want to spend, and what we want to spend it on...but we should at least consider if it's going to accomplish a goal we want, and know what the actual costs are.

The actual fallacies are when we decide we don't want to pay a thing, and then we don't want to pay for the consequences of that decision, either.

The smarter decision is to figure out first if they both accomplish the goal, and then figure out which one costs less.

"fuckthatguy" probably shouldn't enter the equation...but back when I was a practicing lawyer, clients were often quite happy to spend $25K to win $10K, because of "fuckthatguy"...but that actually was their money.

In this case, the "fuckthatguy" crowd is spending my money, and probably wasting it on this topic.

Fish on...

Todd

No college, private sector pride.

If you haven't got what it takes... go to college.

I’m on vacation today because I work hard and earn my money and the vacation I’m using today. But I’m also not directly a gubment employee. Currently sitting out on the canal in the sun in and out of my afternoon nap with a cooler of beer next to me. Fished this morning and got a nice 12# keeper and life is good.

But fuckthatguy.


-Steamy

That sounds much better than working today...I don't see any non-weekend days off for me for a few weeks, then it's off to a three day tuna trip off the coast of Mexico

Fish on...

Todd

Don't you have a bet to welch on?

Never mind - you're already welching by being here.

Handled that typo for you.

I know a lot of Seattle liberal douches that spout of crap to the left of even Todd. I've had dozens of conversations with them like this:

You just sold your house that you had built for $500k for over $1 million. So are you going to pay capital gains tax on that or use the loophole and not pay. Then they scoff at that b-b-but the rich not m-m-me. So I say you just made $500k in income plus your job that pays $150k+ a year, you just sold an asset for over one million dollars and just bought a multmillion dollar house, by what definition are you not rich? b-b-but the 1%. I'm like OK well based on your income you are the 1% at least for this year so are you going to pay your fair share like you are always talking about or are you going to take the loophole?

Every single one took the loophole, dozens of Seattle liberals, every last one took the loophole instead of paying. You have these elitist privileged 1%ers liberals and they still don't want to pay taxes but still want other people to pay. Every single time. What happened to be the change you want to see in the world, pay that fair share you are always taking about but no they never do.

I want to pay less in taxes, I want other people to pay less in taxes. Liberals want to pay less in taxes but want other people to pay more in taxes. Somehow I'm the selfish immoral one for not wanting to force others to pay taxes, even though I have the exact same standard for myself as I do for others. Liberals are so generous with other people's money. I like how they have one standard for themselves but use another standard for others.

When we vote people who vote for lower taxes should pay lower taxes, people who vote for higher taxes should pay for higher taxes. But Democrats cry about this and say then everyone would just vote for lower taxes. Then that's obviously what people want, isn't that what Democracy is doing what people want, so lets do what people want not just based on what they say but on how they choose to act.

You could have given sound legal advice and told them that you don't go to court to get justice they court only awards money. The math doesn't make sense here and you would be financially better off by dropping the matter. That's what any person would do by any reasonable standard of professional ethics. Or you could just take advantage of the situation and charge them $25k to win $10k even though that's not in their financial interest and you have a fiduciary duty to act in their financial interest. I wonder what a morally correct virtuous Democrat would do in this situation. Probably say some virtue signal BS and turn around and do the opposite.

Todd I think you should be able to forgive exactly as much student debts for other people as you are able and willing to pay for. So how much extra did you pay over what was required on last years taxes? I paid zero extra but that is exactly how much I think others should be forced to pay for student loan forgiveness too. I'm guessing you paid zero extra too but you claim to have moral standards and beliefs to which your own behavior does not conform. My behavior conforms to my beliefs, yours does not. There is a word for this oh yeah hypocrisy. What a virtuous hypocrite you are.

So drop the pretense. If you want college loan forgiveness pay for it. Write a 5 or 6 figure check to the government over and above what is required. You can send it in right now. In fact you can cut the middleman out and just pay off someone's student loans on this site. Several people on here have astronomical 5 or 6 figure student loan debt. Put your money where your mouth is and pay off one of their loans. Be the change you want to see in the world. You want student loan forgiveness then start with your own money. I don't really pay that much attention to what people say, I put more stock in what they do. So quit the pretense of sanctimoniousness and whip out your checkbook. Or just say fvckthatother guy and pay zero extra, if that's what you want but don't posture and pretend you are willing to do things you aren't willing to do. Be at least as generous with your own money as you are with other people's.

You will never get student loan forgiveness as you can't even get more than a minor part of your own party on board. It's just an lie that democratic politicians know they can never deliver on but will use this as an excuse for votes before they sell us down to river to big business interests. It's kind of like when republican politicians lie that they will make smaller government for votes but doesn't deliver smaller government before they sell us down to river to big business interests but maybe a different group of big business interests that the Democrats sell us out to. You have the presidency, house and senate and will not get student loan forgiveness passed this year. You will not get it passed next year. Midterms are going to come and you'll lose the house then you for sure won't get it after that. Student loan forgiveness will never happen it's not politicly feasible, I know it will never happen, you know it will never happen, the politicians know it will never happen but don't let that stop you from shilling for those politicians.

So whip out that check book and put your money where your principles and beliefs dictate. Or be a posturing hypocrite libtard shill, it's a free country, the choice is yours. You are free to choose but remember we are paying attention to what you choose and not paying attention to all the hot air you blow. So do you write the check or say fvckthatotherguy. I predict you say fvckthatotherguy and continue to shill for forcing other people to pay for things that you aren't willing to yourself.

Spoken like a Retrumplican cultist hack.

If you want college loan forgiveness you can whip out your checkbook and pay. How much extra did you send in?

Way more than Trump and I'm retired.

I doubt you sent a single dollar extra over and above what was required. What does Trump have to do with this? Nobody claimed Trump gave more than required. Why be so obsessed with him to let him live in your head rent free, I hardly think of him at all except when you bring him up. Actually now that you mention it, I think Trump might be retired or maybe he is still president secretly I don't know I'll have to ask Rich G what Qanonsense said about it next Tuesday.

Wake up dumb ass, multi millionaires are not paying taxes.
Citizen United decision has enabled them to leverage their way out of paying any taxes.

How does campaign financing reform relate to college tuition?

Every multimillionaire pays taxes. Do they have income, then they pay income taxes. Do they live in a house, then they pay property taxes. Do they live in a hotel, then they pay lodging taxes. Do they live in a tent in a middle of a public park, then they payed sales taxes. Do they ever drive or ride in a car, boat or airplane, then they pay fuel taxes. Do they have a ID card, then they paid that fee which is essentially a tax. Do they wear clothes, then they pay sales taxes. Do they eat at restaurants, then they pay sales taxes. Do they use any kind of service, then they pay sales taxes. Do they drink alcohol, then they pay liquor taxes. Do they own stock, then they pay B&O taxes. Do they mail letters, then they buy stamps which are essentially a tax. Do they serve on juries, then you pay taxes on the money that they pay you to sit on a jury. Do they have health insurance or any other insurance, there is a tax on insurance and the insurance companies themselves pay B&O and income tax. Do they have a phone, there is a tax on that. Do they use electricity, there is a tax on that too.

So in order for your claim to be true. Someone would have to be a multimillionare who has no income, is homeless without even a tent or clothes to shelter them that has no ID uses no services whatsover owns nothing is uninsured has no power no phone doesn't travel except on foot doesn't use the mail or own any stock in any company somehow avoids jury duty and buys absolutely nothing except food from the grocery store that they travel to on foot while naked. Even then taxes are still paid by the grocery store in the form of B&O tax, income tax and property tax for the store plus the income & payroll tax for the employees not to mention all the taxes the other businesses that wholesale and transport the food pay. So whoops he can't even eat now either better go forage food but make sure you don't hunt any game or fish because the license on that is a tax. So eat bugs while naked I guess. You would have to refuse all government welfare, medical care and social security because taxes would be paid by the government employees that administer these programs. You'd have to store whatever form your wealth is in on your person while naked because if it's sitting in a safety deposit box, bank account or investment portfolio then there are definitely taxes being paid then. Plus the form of your wealth you are carrying around would have to be something created tax free, the only thing I can think of that's possible here is gold dust you gathered without any tools but how would you store multimillions worth of gold dust without even being able to buy a sack to put it in so maybe you found one big nugget worth multimillions and you store it in your hand with no security or weapons of defense when you are sleeping unsheltered and you could never sell or barter the nugget because taxes would have to be paid so you can't use your wealth other than holding it in your hand which you would have to do 24/7 365 days a year. You would also have to avoid dying somehow and figure out how to live forever without any medicines technology or tools other than what you can scrounge up from public forests because of estate taxes. If someone is a multimillionaire and actually lives like this I would be legitimately impressed to the point I wouldn't expect them to pay for anything because they don't use literally anything ever. Even Ted Kaczynski's lifestyle is more extravagant than that. I would say being a sasquatch is a possible lifestyle here but no you have people like Rich G spending resources that he is getting taxed on searching for you so you can't even be a sasquatch that may or may not even exist either because Rich G fvcked that up for you. You would somehow have to stop social workers from searching for you for those homeless census they do because yes social workers are paying taxes. So in addition to drinking from mud puddles eating bugs while naked holding a gold rock forever without dying nobody could know or even suspect that you exist. Also since you said multimillionaires there would have to be at least two people doing this. Then they would also have to kill me with their gold rocks because now that I have thought of the concept of these non tax paying multimillionaires that may or may not even exist I'm going to start looking for them which involves paying taxes, so even if they don't exist they are causing taxes to be paid. Also by killing me taxes would have to be paid because even if I disappeared some type of search would be done by someone which expends resources that causes taxes to be paid. So the fact that I exist and have thought up the concept of the non tax paying multimillionaires living naked in the woods somewhere that I will start looking for falsifies your claim because your naked gold rock multimillionaires can't kill me because killing me requires paying taxes. If they kill me they are paying taxes, if they don't kill me my search for them causes paying taxes. Either way some taxes will be paid thus multimillionaires that pay no taxes cannot exist.

Since these hypothetical people would have to use absolutely nothing society offers what is their fair share they should chip in to live that extravagant lifestyle of theirs that you are so envious of. But this never happens like most things you post that never happen because every multimillionaire does at least some of the above things and the taxes get paid when they do. Every multimillionaire pays taxes, every single one.

You are the dimmest of the dim bulbs.

All it takes to prove your claim is correct is to point out two multimillionaires that don't pay any taxes. You can't even name one. It is not possible because if someone is aware or suspects you exist taxes are being paid somehow. Just the fact that we are using electricity and computers discussing this hypothetical person right now, taxes are being paid making your claim not only demonstrably false but not even logically possible.

I'm rating you 0/5 pillows on this one boomer.

Fuccing taxes. Ammarite?

Wait a second, you mean to tell me if I join in on your bandwagon of tax the rich more, make them pay their fair share then when my daughter goes to college someone else can pay for it?

Nah, pass….

Like Salmo said, when you have to earn it you respect it a hell of a lot more.

But if you want to propose college tuition paid in full for 4.0 students then I’d get behind that. Finish and graduate 4.0 and it’s tuition free, 3.9 and you pay for your own college.

Quit making excuses for failures in life, it creates people that are failures.



Keith

If you spent half the time researching these thing as you do writing these rambling posts then you would know the answer.
Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet and Elon Musk, pay little to no taxes.

College education is a human right! The wealthy 1% of Americans are exploiting all of us and it is time we take back what is ours. They must be taxed at 90% and cover our educational expenses so that all BIPOC can be given equitable opportunities for advanced education. Black Lives Matter! Black Lives Matter! Black Lives Matter!

You are exactly right my friend! These rich white men must pay the way. They have made their billions off the backs of the rest of us. They must pay!

Lol. AOC probably loves the shillster since he is a slave to Team D and despises Trump with every fiber of his being.

Ok so you are moving the goal posts now, paying little tax is not the same as no tax. You said no tax and that is absurd and ridiculous.

They pay property tax, payroll tax, fuel tax, sales tax and tons and tons of taxes including even some income tax. Go back to my rambling post and check off how many of those things Bezos, Buffet and Musk do. They pay tons of tax. They pay more taxes in a year than you have made in your whole life.

For instance, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos paid $1.4 billion in personal federal taxes between 2006 to 2018. I wouldn't call $1.4 billion a little amount of taxes. Plus all the other taxes payroll, property ect he pays.

Lets just confiscate 100% of the wealth of the top 25 richest people in the world and split it between everyone. What will you do with your $164.55? Is it worth destroying the economy of the entire world over? The only way to fund these social programs is not by taxing multimillionaires but taxing multimillions of people, basically everyone with a job. Taxing the rich will never work, it's taxing everyone. So if liberals want the government spending $70k per person they are going to need to tax everyone with a job $70k. It's a myth that you can tax the rich and get anything significant paid. You are literally enslaving everyone for a scam, you will be the wallet not billionaires because even taxing 100% of their wealth isn't really jack sh!t.

I rate this one 0/5 pillows boomer.

Post more pictures Keith, since you're able too, LOL.

I like free stuff, but I don't have as much pride as the rest of you guys. If they wanna tax the rich and send me to school that'd be cool. I'd have to find my old Trapper Keeper and lunch box. I won't lose sleep either way. If it weren't for some of those rich people making are society better and more comfortable I think some of would be pretty bummed.

Yeah I probably should. But I don’t..

Keith

Seriously is Steamer really this dumb or is just yankin our chain?
So how stupid you get by watching Fox News.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57383869

ProPublica says it has seen the tax returns of some of the world's richest people, including Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett.

The website alleges Amazon's Mr Bezos paid no tax in 2007 and 2011, while Tesla's Mr Musk paid nothing in 2018.

I might suggest that those who are angry at billionaires for existing should boycott the products and services of these billionaires. If they are using their products and services, they are willingly handing over their money to them. If you are angry that billionaires exist then quit giving money to them hypocrites.

It's not hard. For example I don't use Jeff Bezos goods and services, there are other places to buy things besides Amazon. I don't use Elon Musk's goods, I think electric cars are stupid. As for Buffet's companies, I already do not use GEICO insurance, eat at Dairy Queen, ride BNSF trains, buy Helzberg Diamonds, get gas at Pilot Flying J, use American express credit cards, drink coca-cola, bank at Bank of America or use Apple products. I do buy Duracell batteries, fruit of the loom undies and Kraft Heinz condiments but I just don't happen to use most of Buffets companies not that I have anything against him but if I did there are other brands of batteries, underwear and ketchup.

Just cherry picking a year here and there where their businesses lost money so didn't have an income. In 2007 Bezos was able to offset every penny he earned with losses from side investments, in 2011 Bezos filed a tax return reporting he lost money. Since we tax income, losing money in a year means that you don't pay income taxes because you have no income to tax. That website actually says over the 5 year period they study Buffet paid $23.7M, Bezos paid $973M and Musk paid $455M. Paying $20 million or hundreds of millions is not little to no taxes. You are misrepresenting the facts.

Source: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-s...void-income-tax

Also what does any of this have to do with college loan forgiveness?

I rate that one 1/5 pillows boomer because even though you misrepresented facts I give you a pillow for at least providing a source but a better source would be the actual ProRepublica article itself your article was talking about that I linked.

The Sammy the Bull Gravano podcast/YouTube channel is pretty cool if anyone likes old mob stuff. He's a good story teller.

If these deadbeat billionaires payed their fare share of taxes college could be free.
Switching the tax code to tax wealth instead of income would help.

Didn't the poor belly hooked pink sorta prove that they do?

973 million isn't enough!!!

No, not even close. Lets say you took 100% of their wealth which is around $1.3 trillion. Figure a college degree costs around 100,000. That's 13 million college degrees. There are 19.6 million college students in the U.S. right now so even if those billionaires lose everything there still isn't enough to pay just for all the degrees just for the students we have now. Plus you can only confiscate 100% of their wealth once. Since we can't even cover all the degrees for the current student with that money but only 66% of them this year and 0% of them for the year after that because there is no wealth to confiscate because you already confiscated it and in the process destroyed and liquidated every company in America and destroyed the world economy and now you are starving to death. Was paying 66% of college degrees for one year worth it?

Taxing the billionaires won't work because of math.

The only way to fund free college education at current prices is taxing over a trillion dollars a year and the only way to raise that is by taxing hundreds of millions of people twenty thousand dollars each and every year on top of everything else you pay. Keep in mind that to fund it that includes taxing everyone with income at every bracket. Everyone, even old retired boomers on social security would be included in this. Will you cough up your 20,000 a year in taxes. Free college isn't free everyone pays. In Europe where college is free they pay 50%-75% of their income in taxes for all brackets. In Europe a worker making $24,000 a year pays 50% of that to fund the "free" college. They have to tax workers who in America would be considered so poor they pay zero in income tax at that level because there is absolutely no other way to fund it. If you assume 30 years of work plus 15 years of retirement paying for free college would require each and every adult to make a lifetime contribution over their working and retirement years of $900k just for free college. Free college will cost every adult in America $900k, that doesn't sound very free to me.

A better way is just to let people pay for services they are able and willing to pay for. Pay your debts deadbeats, college will never be forgiven.

I rate your post 0/5 pillows, pathetic boomer.

Why are you carrying water for these guys?
Oh that's right you're stupid.

Ya, he's obviously super stupid.

I think you hit every branch on the way down when you fell out of that tree.

Keith

Right wing Socialism at its best.

You get the benefits, but someone else gets to pay for them.

Fish on...

Todd

Left wingers always want someone else to pay. When push comes to shove they won’t actually use their money to pay... then use excuses like “I will pay once the 1% pays their share” even though it may be their idea in the first place. Great stewards of other peoples money they are, but there is no such thing as a free lunch. The 1 percenters can’t pay for everything.


-Steamy

Left wingers also have the most evident cognitive dissonance when it comes to being challenged in their political ideology. Most conservative leaning types I have interacted with have been more open than left leaning types. Conservatives are more patient and able to keep their cool in conservations when their beliefs are challenged. They will have a discussion with you about the details and both you and them will benefit from the interaction.

Most lefties do not engage in respectful dialogue. They argue, cut you off, interrupt, and resort to ad hominem attacks and name calling. That is because they lack the emotional and intellectual fortitude to engage in civil conversations aimed toward finding the truth of the matter and solutions. Political inclination is actually a highly predictable element in personality theory and people who are very high in traits of extraversion and low in conscientiousness happen to be politically left leaning. It offers a solid and empirically backed explanation as to why they respond so emotionally and without thought and awareness. It is engrained in their pathology and will not change no matter how “open-minded” they take pride in supposedly being.

Anyway, back on topic. Lefties tend to pick fields such as humanities that pay considerably less than STEM fields. They lack the awareness and responsibility to recognize this and select colleges and schools prudently, so instead they take bulschit liberal arts colleges and degrees with debt then expect you to pay for their mistake... because they “feel” that is the right thing to do.


-Steamy

Hey news flash! A Dem just suggested taxing commercial space flights after the rich man just completed his flight.

Gotta tax everything and anything you can! Go team Blue!

Keith

So who pays when wealthy people get unfunded tax breaks they don't need?
This is a open book question.

So Bezos paid millions or billions to go to space. I wonder how much he paid to put the Amazon warehouse on Highway 3 next to Defiance Boats. Should have taxed him to put in a 4 lane highway instead of the roundabouts. Now it takes longer to get to my fishing spots down south. Maybe AOC has a point. Obviously we do not tax the ultra wealthy enough. And now we are not getting any infrastructure upgrades. I think this nation is screwed. And we obviously need to get rid of the BS bottle neck in Steamy's stinky hometown.

What do you call something that goes up and then comes down and is controlled by a guy on the ground?
Worlds most expensive carnival ride.

"So who pays when wealthy people get unfunded tax breaks they don't need?
This is a open book question."


Every republican knows the answer to this.... No one....

Liberal thinking....

Government "We're going to take 50% of their money."

Liberals (who are probably paying zero in taxes) in Outrage. "why are you stealing from us to give them money.

More importantly, who's to to say "they don't" need them?

Let me guess, those emotional folks that just wrap their mind around the "that's not fair" mentality.

There are better ways to support the idea of college loan forgiveness, you just have to be a little more open minded about it...



Keith

I'd love to be able to keep everything I make, too.

Alas...I'm still not quite rich enough for that.
































....yet.

Epistemology much?

Who reads that crap?
Rambling nonsense with no paragraphs.
Life's to short, just say no to dumb asses.

That's right. Taxing or taking all of the wealth from the super rich does not work, exactly because of math. Taxing a fraction of wealth, like property taxes, works because it's repeatable, which is essential to a tax revenue stream. Graduated income taxes also work, for the same reason, they are repeatable and continue to contribute to the tax revenue stream.

Taking all of a person's wealth would probably dash the motivation to succeed for many. I doubt it would affect the super rich as much. These are people who are driven. Being super rich is just a by product of their drive to build, build an empire of some kind. I think if all their wealth was taken, they would just begin building their next empire, starting the very next day. It's just how they are, and I'm not suggesting we take all their wealth. As pointed out above, it's counter-productive.

Getting back to free college; it's a bad idea for a number of reasons. First off, "there's no such thing as a free lunch." (Milton Freedman) College gets paid for one way or another. If gov't picks up the tab, then there is no incentive for colleges to attempt to hold down cost increases. As it is, college costs have increased at an even higher rate than medical and health costs in the U.S. Technology is one reason I suppose, but status is another. It's really important at the country club I don't belong to, to brag about how ridiculously much I spend on my kid's college education. Stanford, Harvard, Yale, and all the Ivy League and similar schools do this. By charging the rich these high college costs, the schools are able to create their own system of socialism and offer scholarships to high aptitude students whose parents aren't rich. In effect, rich parents helped pay for my kids' college educations, and in return, those rich parents got the bragging rights at their country club.

There are several ways to hold down college costs. Student loan forgiveness probably isn't one of the best ways because it removes the incentive for a college to hold down its costs.

Prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect here.

Too stupid to evaluate situations at the level of detail necessary, so instead avoid it and claim it to be simpler than it is and call the other person a dumbasss. Great work shillster.


-Steamy

There's nothing to evaluate, you like to hear yourself talk.

I like to read your posts even more. But they lack substance and I should stop keeping my hopes up that you will have something insightful to say.


-Steamy

Welchers are also stupid I guess.

Spoken like a true introvert....

Keith

Wow salmo, you are sounding just like me there. Are you sure you want to be in the same side as someone like me who has a bunch of what you claim are such horrible opinions? For a milquetoast piece of human garbage that was a pretty good post.

They way I see it is that 0% of republicans are willing to pay for this and the overwhelming majority of democrats are unwilling to pay for it, but there is a small number of far left democrats that claim to want to pay for this but in practice are unwilling to pay for it themselves. No nobody is willing to pay for this and the only people that are outraged about college forgiveness are outraged about the fact that other people are not willing to pay for something they themselves are unwilling to pay for. So why no outrage at themselves? Nope they think they are morally superior because they hold an opinion. Holding an opinion is neither moral or immoral, it's what you do because of those opinions that's moral or immoral. So it's pointless virtue signaling. Being a mean nasty hateful bigot because you are outraged that other people aren't willing to pay for something you aren't willing to pay for is immoral though, not because of your opinion but the being a mean nasty hateful bigot part. Why is it the people who claim to be progressive virtuous and tolerant all happen to be mean nasty hateful bigots?

Space flights, billionaires existing and any other irrelevant things liberals bring up when asked difficult questions they can't or don't want to answer is a logical fallacy. It's just whataboutism, and is a well known propaganda technique. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

No whataboutism, no changing the subject, no logical fallacies. Nobody cares that you are envious of billionaires so you hate them to try and justify your greedy desire to loot and rob them.

How much money do you propose to spend on college loan forgiveness, where is that money now in society, what is the justification for that group of people and only that group of people paying for it. My take is that college is a service and the money for it is widely distributed in average everyday people but the group that should pay is the ones who took out the loans and the justification for that is they are the ones who wanted and used the service, agreed to pay for the service so they should pay for what they wanted, used and agreed to pay.

Todd and people like him should pay for college loan forgiveness. You deserve exactly as much government services as you are able and willing to pay for. College loan forgiveness is a government service and Todd you can have as much as that service you are able and willing to pay for. Since nothing is stopping you from paying for other people's college degrees right now, you are obviously willing to pay zero and that's the exact amount of college loan forgiveness you are going to get, zero. That's fair reasonable and the natural and logical outcome of your behavior. So cut the sh!t and quit being outraged over it and advocating for it. Just go back to saying mean nasty hateful things about republicans like the bigot you are because at least some of that is funny and you seem to enjoy it.