After 20 years and a trillion dollars spent and 2,312 US military personnel killed and 20k wounded, not to mention lots of civilians killed, what do you think we should do?

We tried to pull out and all hell breaks loose. It was a quagmire for the russians and a quagmire for the U.S.

I just don't know. What to do?

As with almost every war...the winners are the arms dealers supplying both sides.

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Todd

we made the mistake of taking prisoners and then releasing them...

they need to go in, and kill every last one of them... dead...

the only way to get rid of a problem like that, is to eradicate every aspect of it once and for all...

they are sending in B-52s and AC-130 Spectre's and they need to use them accordingly.. carpet bomb all known infested areas, then send in the 130's to clean up the stragglers...

kinda like hunting prarie dogs..

then send in trained troops to make sure everything is gone..

keep it to yourself next time then...

This. But also, NIMBY (Not in my backyard) seems to apply in this situation. We can’t police the entire world. Not our problem.


-Steamy

Rear Admiral Evo says otherwise.

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Todd

"Them" who?

I was hoping for a more intelligent response than that.

Hope in one and schit in the other, and see which one fills up first on the Dark Side.

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Todd

the US military...

who else, CNN?

"and kill every last one of them"

Those "them", dumbass.

like i said, bring in the air strikes and come in behind with the Spectre's, they are the most advanced gunship in the world, its like having a destroyer in the air...

we also have the Predators and Wasps that can do tactical strikes as well.. a little more "precise" than a B-52 dropping 2k pound bombs...

then after that is done, they can do it to the cartels in south America, and rid the world of the rat sh!t drug infested hell hole that is....

the Taliban and any terrorist organization known to affiliate with them, or has the same thought process as them...

get rid of them...

lol

That's what the U.S. had tried to do for 20 years. Think boy, think.

Hey, General Evo...right after you finish up getting Trump reinstated, see if he can you on the Joint Chiefs...you just managed to solve a 200 year old Afghanistan problem in four minutes.

Your country needs you.

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Todd

no, the US has played patty cake with them for 20 years...

look what they are doing, marching through cities taking them over completely...

thats what we need to do, sweep through, and kill every last one of them.. no prisoners, only caskets or garbage bags...

keep pushing them all the way into the corner, then blow the corner up...

even tho TOdd is generally full of sh!t, he was kinda right..

the reason this has been going on for 20 years, is because there is too much money involved...

200 years Todd? damn, 1994 was a long ass time ago...

Time as we know it began when evo learned to walk.

we also better get on it, as they have intercepted and stolen tons of our weapons, drones, choppers, and other sh!t...



https://www.the-sun.com/news/3461710/taliban-seizes-us-weapons-towards-kabul/

Itis great to know that Evo has such a complete understanding of Afghanistan's history.

its great to know that people think the Taliban has been around for 200 years when it was founded in 1994...

Naievotard, you really don’t understand people at all. You can’t eradicate beliefs. You can eradicate people but you can’t eradicate what they are fighting for. Have you ever heard of a martyr?

And to think the answer was as simple as 'wipe them out' all along.

And to think they'll all identify themselves with stupid Make Afghanistan Great Again hats so our aircraft can drop bombs on them with pinpoint accuracy.

are you a professor of Theology now?

you gonna learn me up?

yes i know what a fvckin martyr is, but it doesnt always pertain to just religious beliefs, it could be indoctorinated beliefs as well... meaning forced to believe something...

im talking about the Taliban, their practices, and beliefs that they must kill all Americans...

im not talking about the battle between east and west, and Islam and Christianity that has been going on for 2k years...

im talking about the Taliban...

We declared war on "terror." Who the hell is that? Is it any surprise we haven't won? Just like Vietnam and Korea, this was a war of containment, attempting to combat an ideology. Winning was never defined, nor was it likely assumed to be attainable. What Todd said....

...you just managed to solve a 200 year old Afghanistan problem in four minutes.





Do better.

You got it all figured out don’t you?

Of all subjects, this one should really piss a lot of you off. The fact that 2000+ US lives were lost then they are just handed back their power.
My cousin, a Army Sniper with his platoon had some crazy stories from there. It's horse [Bleeeeep!]...

This isn't a video game, it's not like Call of Duty in the real world.

You don't just send in American lives regardless of their ability, some can and will get killed.

Keith

which is exactly why i said to send in bombers and wipe them out before hand...

our Tomahawks are very good as well, along with the Reapers and Predators..

or, we can just do nothing, and they will continue to rape and kill women and children, and attack us in every part of the world just like they have been...

there literally is only 2 choices here, do something, or dont....

end it once and for all, or let it continue...

Evo cleaned up his neighborhood, now it's on to Afghanistan. Seems reasonable

so then what do all the resident geniuses think we should do?

put sanctions on them?

drive them further into poverty?

heads up, causing poverty in other countries because of political lines is one of the main creators of terrorism...

there is only 2 choices here as i said, do something about it, or let it continue..

which side are you on?

Bombs, why has no one thought about using bombs.

Evo does it again.

yeah 500 pound bombs have been working great...

maybe use bigger bombs...

its either troops, or missiles and bombs...

or do nothing and continue to allow women and children to be murdered and raped...

i already know what you side with, its clear...

uh, Trump told them if they threatened ANY Amercian, hurt any American, or killed any American, that we would come to their village, we would find their homes, with every resource of US power, and do what needed to be done...

then Biden got in charge, and now here we are...

nice try on the Trump dig, do you want hot sauce for your Crows boot?

didnt say nuke, but a few hundred MOAB's wouldnt hurt...

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world...se-of-boys.html

The Afghan National Army are a bunch of creepy racist boyfvckers. As you're well aware, our ANA allies take on "apprentices" and love to parade them around on a daily basis. Since they can't publicly pursue women, these depraved goatfvckers use little boys as their fleshlights. But you know this and are probably apprenticing as we speak.

The Taliban will kill the gay rapists as the Prophet, peace be upon him, wrote in the Quran. Now there will be less child rape and suffering in the world. Allah willing they will burn all those opium fields soon. The same as they did before. Expect the prices of heroin to go up, now there will be less junkies and suffering in the world.

It really is Day of the Rope right now in Afghanistan. Congrats to the Taliban, may we be so lucky to be free as you.

I'd gladly live under Taliban rule than to live under Democratic party rule with their support and cover up of LBTQ child rape & toleration of junkies and addicts.

when prices of Heroin go up, they resort to fentanyl...

and i think its something like 90 percent of it, comes from China..

i wonder why China would want to make the US a bunch of drug addicts, or, just kill them off....

Well it's going to be pretty hard to get the Fentanyl in with the container ship shutdown. Somehow the CIA still smuggles in heroin on behalf of our "allies" in Afghanistan.

Taliban bans the COVID vaccine! You could say they talibanned it. They don't wear the mask. They don't have the vaccine.

https://insiderpaper.com/taliban-banned-covid-vaccine-in-paktia-afghanistan/

They are banning vaccines, killing jews, killing bankers, killing homos & killing feminists. They can't stop winning

It's finally happened, I'm now rooting for a terrorist organization. Allah willing, Afghanistan here I come! The only place where we can run from the vaxx poison shot. Fvck technology, up in the mountains surrounded by fields of Afghani Kush plants, full automatic AK-47 open carry, get to slaughter leftists, globalists and homos on sight. Literal heaven.

We should just do what the Taliban did here in the US. The Taliban did it with few hundred guys up the mountains with sleepers and pijamas armed with AKs made by some 12 year old kids using templates from the 80s. We got top of the line AR-15s cars and communications, mountains and forests, and a CONSTITUTION that enables you to defend yourself against a tyrannical government. If they did it, we can do it 10000 times over. All needed is the right sacrifice. At this time heads must start dropping. Fauci must be the first to go it will signal the psychos that sh!t is about to get real.

the majority of Fentanyl comes through the southern border...

just like the Heroin..

and the Coke..

and the bunk ass brick pack Mexican hay bail lawn clipping weed...

Ok..

So Evo wants to kill everyone in Afghanistan?

Seems harsh.

Evo is hypocritical on Afghanistan. Trump would do no different than Biden. Afghan withdrawal Trump Biden

He’s not going to read that.

Foulpink is right, there is a normal culture of boy rape if Afghanistan. It is disgusting and the Taliban are against boy rape. Don’t assume the Taliban are the bad guys because it sounds like most of the powerful groups in the country are bad guys. Most of the powerful groups in the Middle East are bad by our standards.

I protested the start of this war and the Iraq war 20 years ago. It is the only time I have ever taken to the streets to protest because it was obvious that the folks that attacked us were Saudi backed yet we started these wars.

Fukkem, it’s too bad we wasted lives of good Americans over there to fight a bunch of cave dwelling terrorists and help some sophisticated boy rapers.

What’s your point beezy? For real your response is all over the place.

My point is fuk Afghanistan and we should never have gone there in the first place; and that should have been obvious 20 years ago. Nothing changed since then.

Trump and Pompeo allowed the Syrians to gas to death Kurds when they withdrew from Iraq.

The legitimate reason the US had for going into Afghanistan was to capture or kill Osama bin Laden for the 9/11 plot and to capture or kill Mohamed Omar for harboring bin Laden and refusing to give him up to us. Omar died years ago, and we killed bin Laden in 2011. The only reason we have been in Afghanistan since then is because it is profitable for someone, that dreaded military-industrial complex Ike warned us about in the 1950s. As for Iraq, we never had any legitimate reason for invading at all. It was about the money, probably for Cheney and his buddies.

Pompeo and Trumps Pullout.

Trump Pompeo Iraq withdrawal.

That's debatable. You had Al-Qaeda, they were the reason we were there. Ultimately preventing those American hating from the ability to attack on US soil again by wiping them off the earth. It wasn't like we just killed Bin Laden.

Too many people are over thinking this, it doesn't involve the US anymore imho. You can bank on the fact that if they do anything to harm the lives of American's, the US will be right back to cleaning those turds off the earth too.

Keith

There has never been a good strategy at getting in or out Afghanistan by any military force.

Why did we expect anything different now.

Build a wall around the country. Get the Afghans to pay for it...

I guess I just don't understand why Evo would want to kill everyone in Afghanistan.

They're brown people. It's the 'Merican thing to do.

If they aren't 'Merican (WASP) then they aren't worth having around. Anywhere.

The Taliban won't lose. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. You also can't kill carpet bomb, Evo.

I was going to take a job with contractors over there and found out they loved having lady boy dancers at their parties. What they did with them I don't know. Its also big or bigger in Paki.

I've listened in depth to FHP about this. He isn't trolling.

I unironically agree with this statement 100%.

Also we didn't need to go to war with the entire country to get Osama bin Laden. Just a small strike force or drone to take him out. Bin Laden was a terrorist not part of that nation's government. Turns out he was in Pakistan anyhow.

What they should have done is killed the 1000 or so people most closely related to him. That would include all the descendants of Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden. Wipe the Bin Laden clan off the face of the Earth. You know all those wealthy elites that hang out with the Saudi Royal Family who had a hand in funding 9/11, and long time business partners with the Bushes. If you knew attacking America would result in your parents, brothers, sisters, wives, children, uncles, aunts, cousins all being publicly executed you'd probably think twice. Even then all those people would do something about their dangerous extremist family members.

At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden flew out of the country while the rest of us were on a no-fly lockdown. What if we just simply killed them instead? Nah, lets waste billions and kill over a hundred thousand people who had nothing to do with it in Afghanistan instead. 'Murica.

Boring reading. So pretentious. Streamer would absolutely join a radical group of it made sense coming out of Pinks mouth. Trolling. I've seen Zach's videos.

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Taliban has taken Kabul and announced the Islamic State of Afghanistan. I'm looking forward to boy rapists, feminists and leftists executions in 4k. The Taliban was fighting AGAINST globalists, homos, opioids, jews and pedophilia, never forget. The US is fighting FOR globalists, homos, jews, pedos, and opioids.

Imagine believing in an unhinged thing like liberal democracy, that men are women, and that the lives of Black thugs ever mattered. It matters not what the Taliban believe, it doesn't impact any American. What matters is that a relatively small group of deeply-committed people embarrassed and defeated the most well-funded military on Earth. It can be done. Tyrants can be destroyed in the 21st century. If America fails to liberate itself from the Bolshevik cocksuckers, it will be because Americans lacked the will, not the means.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

Agreed but there is one piece you got wrong.

The Afghanis are fighting for homosexuality. A lot of them are closet homosexuals who are afraid to come out of the closet for fear of being raped. You know what the common practice is for people who commit rape or sexual sins or who are accused of being gay? They are gang raped in the streets by a group of men. Doesn't that strike you as ironic? They all actually enjoy the act (and quite possibly the "gay" man who is being gang raped. It is a back-assward society in that sense. Imagine participating as an offender in a gang rape to instill justice because the other guy is a "fa66ot". What in the hell does that make you? They all appear to enjoy participating in their diligence to society but nobody will admit it.


-Steamy

I was talking to this mexican guy, he said about another mexican, "That guy is a fa99ot, he sucked my balls last night." I'm like so that makes you one too. He says "No you don't understand, HE sucked MY balls, I didn't suck his." It's a real macho culture they have there.

I think it goes back to the Latin culture, in Rome you were only gay if you were the penetrated partner and not the penetrator. In ancient Rome having sex with males in the active position was proof of one's masculinity. They didn't have police in ancient Rome, so if you caught someone robbing you a good ass rape was in order for you to regain your social status lost by being a crime victim. In War mass rape following a military defeat extended equally to male and female potential victims.

The Afghans probably got it from the Greeks, the Afghans being descendants of Alexander the Great's army.

For some unknown reason this page was removed from the GOP's official website over the weekend.



Weird.

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Todd

At the end of the day, we can wring our hands and have fake outrage over all the money and lives wasted in Afghanistan, and argue all day about whose fault it all is...but this was never a war intended to be "won", it accomplished its entire goal with flying colors, and that was to take a trillion dollars of taxpayer money and transfer it into the coffers of the Military/Industrial complex...as is the American Way, massive fuckin Socialism for the massively fuckin rich.

Mission Fuckin Accomplished.

The neocons who started this war are the ones responsible for taking our money and trading a few thousand dead Americans to feed that machine.

Any other chatter about it is just that; chatter.

Any talk about fighting for "freedom" is flat out stupid; there was nothing of the sort happening in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It was about money at the beginning, it was about money in the middle, and it's about money now.

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Todd

Just to set the table I served two yours in Nam by choice and learned a lot about war and peoples beliefs. So first if you have not read Art of War by Sun Tzu then you have zero idea what drives the Taliban's tactics, Westmoreland didn't get it in Nam either.

Afghanistan is a Fundamentalist Moslem nation and by definition rejects our so called modern social values. Second we had no damn business even being there let alone think the US could put in place a western style democracy. As to the national army we created for them one should grasp we trained them to fight our way and pull all the technical warfare out the national army would get ate alive. As in many places when you create a puppet army on paper you have to realize the soldiers must be willing to believe in dying for it. Just as the Russians found out as did the Brits before them Afcans are willing to die for their Moslem beliefs not western values.

So just because western nations seem to feel that they are the judges of right and wrong for this worlds many peoples and beliefs does not make it so. When attacked the US military should do what its purpose is, to kill, maim, and destroy in defense or in the name of the citizens of the USA. In other words get the job done and get their butts back home. If their ever was a valid reason for being in Afghanistan many years back it has long since passed. Simple fact is as in Nam and many other places you cannot purchase legitimacy for a government. I had a good commanding officer who told us that when facing a foe who is willing to fight and die for their beliefs your only option is help them achieve their goals as conversation is useless.

If you don't have the guts as a nation to do that then you should never head down that road. As to money Mr. Lincoln once said that 1 out of every 3 dollars spent on the Union forces went to graft and corruption. It is no different now than then and will be the same in the future as human nature and greed does not change. By the way Todd if it was about money damn we didn't get much of a deal through 3 presidents and I doubt if the current one will do much better. Lets hope they at least destroy the paper trail that identifies those who worked with us, that would be different .

A PM asked ? on paper trail. Do a search on Phoenix Nam not the bird. Learn what war is really about.

It's surprising that Afghanistan turned out the same for us as it did for everyone else that tried to go there over that last, say, ever.

If you didn't see this coming 20 years ago, you should have.

Oh, you won't get a deal...it wasn't money for you.

It was money for weapons manufacturers, and the private companies and contractors that we sent over there to prosecute this "war"...they got billions and billions and billions of taxpayer dollars...as I said...

Mission Fuckin Accomplished

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Todd

What Dan said.

But we brought some western and hope and now a bunch of people are going to die and have been dying because of it. Not sure what the lesson is. I wouldn't want to be one of the guys or girls running towards the airport only to not have a seat on a flight. Which basically sums up why this war has been the way it is.

Contractors ( mercenaries ) have been used in all wars over the centuries since the 1950's our nation also for good reason. Rules of engagement for our armed forces limit how you fight and war is an ugly thing. Do the Phoenix Nam search before running that crap around. The most utterly stupid rules of engagement were under Mr. Obama as he did not have the stomach for collateral damage. These kids fighting our wars now must be well disciplined because I can remember what my CO told us after a mix up that damn near got myself and my guys killed. " When in doubt you shoot, we will sort it out later. Your job is to help the ARVN not die here, screw Brigade. "

I know this wont make any sense to you rainbow flag flying 206ers but ...........................never trust a group of men wearing bathrobes.

Good post from Rivrguy, one of the few among us who understands (firsthand) the ultimate fallacy of the brand of "wars" we've been sending our young people to fight over the past 60 years or so. A couple decades of military presence and civil rights work can't hold up against centuries of faith-based traditions and norms. Killing and enslaving people are the only tools that work for that, and even those don't hold up long-term. People will eventually revert or evolve to the society they want; not what the almighty USA or anyone else wants them to have.

Pretty disgusting to see the media hammering the Biden Administration for somehow bungling this "exit." The way I see it, the only number that matters is number of American citizens killed during the withdrawal. So far, I believe that number is at zero....

It IS tragic to think about what will happen to Afghan citizens that worked with US forces, as well as the unfortunate fate that awaits women and girls under Taliban rule. That said, it wouldn't make any difference if we'd left 15 years ago or 15 years from now; the exact events we're watching unfold would have played out, in much the same way, for all the reasons Rivrguy noted. That's what happens when you surrender (you accept the consequences of being the loser, which aren't often kind or fun). Apparently, our media forgot that war is not pretty.

I don't think there was an elegant way to get out of this, and clearly, we needed to get out. If we don't like the optics, perhaps we should stop getting involved in unwinnable wars to sell weapons....

So...... in the two soup cans and string area code you prefer that they don't wear anything.

Makes perfect sense.

The result you are seeing today was hardwired in 20 years ago...whenever this war ended...during Obama, during Trump, during Biden, during whoever comes next...this is exactly what it was going to look like.

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Todd

Agreed.

For once I agree with Todd. I just wanted to add this as another category of graft and corruption. The Afghan National Army's ranks were somewhere between 50%-70% "ghost" soldiers that do not and never did exist but because the American taxpayer still payed their salaries, the drug dealing warlords embezzled these funds. I'm sure there is graft and corruption on our side too, but not nearly as brazen.

Not as much graft required there...since "we" just gave them the taxpayer money...just handed it right over.

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Todd

Now we are quibbling over the distinction between honest graft and dishonest graft. Either way I'd rather the money go somewhere useful, like staying in my wallet.

Your not wrong but you should back up a bit because this mess was created by Bush Jr. The next three had a mess that could not be cleaned up. Now Obama owns Syria and Libya with that silly ass nation building thing he charged into with the infamous Arab Spring but Afghanistan is all juniors baby. It will be interesting to see how Biden deals with the fall out but this was going to happen. Now his choice of tactics to do this is rather lame because whoever his advisers are they really do not know what the hell they are doing to say the least.

In war and revolutions you have winners and losers. After the fall of the Shah of Iran the commander of the Immortals was reported to have been asked what he thought of his situation before he was executed. His reply was simple enough, " I backed the wrong side " This is what war is winners write history losers die. Ugly but simple outcome.

It was going on long before Bush Jr. The table was being set.


-Steamy

You guys are are mostly all super smart. Don't pretend you saw a withdrawl being this way. I doubt many of you knew [Bleeeeep!] until recently. So stop, lol.

Todd and [Bleeeeep!] Streamer, yep saw this 20 years ago. Lol


You should read The Bear went over the Mountain.

I didn't

Nobody thought it wouldn’t be messy. Never said that at all.


-Steamy

For those of you that can read... I recommend the first in the Flashman series for a bit of historical background regarding foreign rule and it's consequences in Afghanistan.

Educational and entertaining......to say the least.

Yes it was and the Russians found out but the USA armed the Taliban to defeat the Russians. The difference is giving Stinger missiles to help defeat a Marxist regime and sending troops in to change a nation that has little desire to change their religious moral beliefs.

Well I double back and recommend reading Hatchet.

“It is more difficult to organize peace than to win a war; but the fruits of victory will be lost if the peace is not well organized” -Aristotle

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Todd

Thanks for wasting 1 Trillion dollars on Afganistan Bush!

What about the trillion Obama spent? Bush is a war criminal, so is Obama. Fvck the neocons in both parties, amirite? Nope be a partisian hack and blame only one side of the neocon scum. Remember that neocons originally came from the Democratic party in the 1960-1970s and joined the Republican party displacing the Libertarian wing of the Republican party.

Neocons advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism.

Bush was a neocon, Clinton was a neocon, Bush Jr. was a neocon, Obama was a neocon.

And now there are dead Americans after we withdrew. It will always be a shithole over there.

FHP is right that they are all war-mongering neocons. But now that we are gone stay the [Bleeeeep!] out. It isn’t our job to police the world or nation build.


-Steamy

Nice missile attack we did today. What the fvck was the point of blowing up a random child and neighborhood with a rocket? How does this help America in any way? How many hearts and minds did we just win over? Did we hit the suicide bomber and make him pay? No doubt that rocket cost a million dollars taken from hardworking taxpaying Americans. We could just as easily have paid a homeless guy a $5 heroin bag in Kabul to go stab a random child. But that's ok money is infinite right? Let's just print more up!

It's always strange to see the war criminals going bombing and droning after these attacks. What part of suicide bomber doesn't make sense with these idiots. The suicide bomber is dead already, all you are doing is creating more terrorists who now want revenge.

Great analysis, Coming Soon!


-Steamy

Half the time I am not full of sh!t, the other half of the time I'm being sarcastic and joking but you have to have an ounce of intelligence to tell which is which. Streamer obviously has at least an ounce but most of the droolers on this board don't even have a gram.

I'll opine that creating more terrorists was part of the goal, rather than an alarming side effect of the "War on Terrah"...you can't have a never ending cash cow for the MI Complex without a never ending "war".

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Todd

I'd agree but with the caveat that Clinton, Obama and Biden are part of this complex just as much as the guy who pronounces it 'Terrah.'