Has anyone heard of any rumors of a group trying to stop jets boats on nooch or satsop rivers?

They have been trying to get the sleds off that river for a couple of years now. I hope they succeed! Sleds have no business on that river even from black creek down!

well,thats the best rumor i've heard all week.i would really like to see that happen,especially on the wynoochee(from black creek up)and the satsop east fork.i would be glad to help out on this matter if anybody knows the group,or how we can get it done.scott

There's no reason to ban jets below Blk Crk other than to keep a few drift boat guys happy. This me-only attitude! That's why you cant even use a mole trap now!! Together we stand - Divided we fall.....time after time? Happy netting

While it would be nice to limit the sleds on our smaller rivers, You will not see me "Join a group or vote" for such a thing.

This is the same song & dance we sportsmen have been giving each other for decades.

Comments like "if anybody knows the group,or how we can get it done" is what it tearing us apart. I don't have a sled or really know anyone who does, but it is another "brother sportsman's" right to do what he wants within the law and I will not help change any law that limits an outdoorsman.

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This comes up every year,I'll endorse a move to ban sleds above Black Creek and off the east fork of the Satsop......I won't hold my breath

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Riverswild hit it right on the nose. Every group wants to limit every other group. We all need to work together and enjoy the resource, while being courteous and letting others enjoy it their way.

I've started a few of the threads on this issue in years past.

Screemin and riverswild. This really isn't an issue of trying to be an a--hole and pit sporty against sporty. The issues are safety and asthetics. How many sleds and how small does a river have to be before we say "enough!" You are overlooking the exponential increase in sleds the last 5-6 years and what it's doing to the quality of the fishery. Just because more guys are doing it doesn't mean it's right.

I've been told that this is a county issue and that since it is a public waterway the county must decide whether constraints are necessary.
WDFW won't get near this issue for fear of looking bad.....got that from the horses mouth.

Someone want to take on the county?

Again I reiterate the statement mentioned earlier togather we stand, Devided we fall, From what I hear the anti's are ready to challange Bow-hunting this fall, we need all user groups to stand for each other, I do not agree with sled's above Black Creek, but let's police our own, Most sled owners know it as a Courtesy to fish below Black Creek and us Drift Boaters fish above, Most sleds stay on rivers with flows of 2000cfm or higher. But there are those few who don't, If we can all respect each other know matter what the sport and stand and fight as one we will PREVAIL, If not be prepared for a lot of spring and fall cleaning. see ya on the river. Yarf'em

I here ya with the "We need to stick to gether".But sleds shouldn't be allowed above
black creek period and above the forks on the satsop.Good luck,
STRIKE ZONE

so rivers wild, you would like to see the jet boats limited on the smaller rivers,but you wouldn't vote for it.(duh)it's not at all about splitting sportsman apart.when jets go up these smaller rivers they are forced to go up the main channels of the river.which means they have to run over spawning beds which are in the shallows where the jets have to blow through to get up river.and what about the small fry,can't be to good for them either.not to mention the bank erosion caused by the wake of the boats,which is already a problem for a lot of landowners(not at all saying this is the main cause of erosion but it adds to it)and theres no way the sportsman have been fighting over this issue for decades on the smaller rivers because 20 years ago you never saw a sled on these rivers,i know because i was born and raised on them.there will probably never be nothing done about this issue but you would think the boat owners would think about it a little before they go sledding on the smaller rivers.i own a sled,i leave it at home when i go to the little rivers.

Yes, I would like to see sleds limited on the smaller rivers, limit the number of bankies at Blue Creek, and no bank fishing on McCallister Creek. I would like to see the sunrise without hearing the roar of a sled, or the slamming of truck doors as I make that first cast.
But ya know, it just isn't possible on most of our waterways anymore.

If the spawning beds or erosion are the reason, then I say lobby the F&G.
If it is because you think the waterway is too small, or that the sleds cruise the runs and scare fish, I say educate the boater and practice tolerance.

If we can prove a bio/eco reason then I am all for it, but I am tired of self indulgent, PETA lover BS. If we were given a choice right now, we would be divided on "below or above" Black Creek on the Wynoochee.
All sportsmen need to stick together, give and take on the issues, but don't ban any outdoor activity with out Bio/Eco reasons.

For what Bio/Eco reasons were hound hunting and trapping banned?
None!
More self indulgent, Peta BS!

Peace.

PS. How many fishermen are going to help out the archery hunters in the coming years? I can give you two reasons why you should.
1. They love their outdoor recreation just as much as the fishermen. How would you like to have fishing takin' away? (it will happen soon if PETA has their way)
2. If they are not hunting in the fall, you can bet most of them will switch to fishing and will be joining us on the rivers. (they are outdoorsmen after all)

Sorry so damn long!


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DUH? Take a look in the mirror Hot Rod! http://www.nwfishing.net

sled,s have been on these rivers for over 25 years, So if one boat goes, all boats must go.

I agree with the sentiment that there are a few sled runners that either just don't have good common sense or just don't give a crap about anyone but themselves (no shortage of those types unfortunately), despite knowing it's simply not a good idea to run sleds up into the mid to upper reaches of smaller rivers where driftboat traffic has been traditionally heavy. That's not only a dangerous situation, it just lacks sense about river stewardship. I have talked to a number of knowledgable people about this and the consensus is it would be best overall to keep sleds below Black Creek on the 'Nooch and below the forks of the Satsop. For my 2 cents worth, I agree. ...

With that said, I'll say something that many driftboaters aren't aware of. When d-boats are scraped over shallows and the oartips are dug into the gravel they likely cause more damage to spawning redds than sleds do. And bank fishers that wade a lot walk right on redds. Also, would the d-boaters of the 'Nooch be willing to agree to a trade-off of allowing sleds to fish only below Black Cr. by limiting d-boat use to only above Black Cr.? If we can get some honest feedback to that, it will be very interesting. - RT

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I've heard this rummor a couple times this past week on the nooch. unfortunately i dont think it will happen.. One way to help this situation is get rid of all the guides on the river to many working the river less guides less sleds!

It's not just guides, there were 2 yahoos who just had to put their sleds in at white bridge today.....unbelievable!

Eric, I've been on the Nooch 5 out of the last 7 days and launched at White Bridge on any given day there has been at least two Sleds and as many as four launched there, I would agree with Real Truth and stay above black creek if they would stay below, It is rediculous to see them above black creek. Yarf'em

Doe$ anyone fi$h a driftboat below Black Creek anyway? Where i$ a takeout below Black Cr., except down on the Chehali$? Look$ like this is a pi$$ing match between $led$ and driftboat$.(a$ U$ual)

I cant believe people are putting sleds in at white bridge. below black creek i can see but puttin in at white bridge just seems like a joke, a sled has no business being up that far, in my opinion. So far this winter it seems like sled traffic just keeps increasing every week, a trend im not liking, sleds are getting braver and braver pretty soon you will be seeing them put in at 7400.

the take out is down from DFW. Left side.. You can not miss it is the sleds are out of the way.

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I have heard of one sled owner having his tires slashed, at the launch above white bridge.
There is sure a lot of animosity over this issue. I have fished out of sleds in the past, and enjoy it. But, I feel the smaller rivers should have some sort of ban. Before it turns into a circus. This is not a sleder VS. Drift boater, issue. It is a logistics issue. Some rivers and some sections of rivers are too small. I have owned a sled in the past, but I didn't feel I had the "right" to run it anywhere I wanted.

I can make it easy, how about letting only those people that live in Grays Harbor, fish Grays Harbor rivers. At least when they are done fishing for the day they haul out their garbage,ever wonder why there is limited bank access ?

local, a man after my own heart. it is about time someone spoke up about our rivers here on the harbor. on this issue, i personally don't have a problem with sleds above black creek. i see the majority of the people that do are from out of town. if you don't like it, stay home!

Right on guys. All you Excursion driving, Eddie Bauer wearing, latte drinking, cell phone yakking, big city living, outdoor wannabes need to stay in your own neck of the woods. We'll be checking IDs at the county line.

I've seen all them couches, chairs,washing machines,tvs, driers,dirty diapers etc,etc,etc dumped in the woods around there maybe the locals should set an example first.

Oh nevermind,...........,this post was about Sleds ,but looking at all the Garbage along the Nooch ,I sure it all came from Thurston and Pierce counties.. Oh thats where I left my ole recliner


I always take out more trash then I brought in

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Being the owner of a sled my self and a bankie too I see the best of both worlds and I realize the importance of quiet and solitude on the smaller rivers. although I would never put in the satsop at all or below black creek on the nooch(I believe these are drift boat bankie rivers)If someone wants to run below black creek I believe they do so at their own risk even though the bankies don't usually say anything I can hear the teeth grinding away as the morning silence is broken by the roar of the pump.
On the Cowlitz Chehalis and larger rivers I expect this and love running the river and its sometimes the best way to catch fish. I remember a few years ago a person who lives on the Cowlitz tried to start an initiative to ban sleds on that river.
Seems this is the guy (some of you might have seen this)between mission and toledo who leaves a rod out and goes in the house sleds didn't see his line as no-one was around and kept running over it DUH!!
Anyway common sense is the best rule use it guys
RAMPRAT

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I dont believe any enforced restriction about who can go where is a good thing. All it does is further empower law enforcement agencies, and puts some agencies where they probably shouldnt be, or stretches game enforcement resources already thinner than they already are. I do believe that people should exercise good sense about where they run and how they go about it. Smaller & low flow streams just cant take the wakes and turbulence sleds create when they run, damaging redds and injuring smolt. Furthermore when a sled runs up a smaller river they'll spook the fish into a sulk mode, and nobody gets a hit.
Then there's the safety of it all. Sunday on the Wynoochee a sled ran through a drift at nearly top speed. He almost washed a banker off the bank, the only reason his wake didnt damage our boat was that we held it off the beach, and he nearly ran himself onto the beach in the process. The hard part of the incident was that he had a small kid aboard, and I viewed his reckless behavior as child endangerment.
Later at Black Creek launch, he cut into the waiting line to haul out and took forever. I hope he doesnt come back. Lots of other boaters echoed the same sentiment.
There was another sledder, however who was the exact opposite. Conscientious and courteous, didnt slam anyone, I hope he caught fish.

Head Hunter, he couldn't have been much worse than that great big white thor built guide boat. Someone needed to "talk" to him. I'm coming through the wilkie hole with my electric motor facing downstream right next to shore so not to mess it up for the 5 bank fisherman and drift boat that where there. Here comes that huge white thing, stops in the middle of the tailout, then heads right up the middle of the hole and ruins it for everyone there. Its boats like that that ruin it for all of us.

Hey Fish head, Those guides in the sleds are there for one reason, MONEY!!! They could care less if they screw up a fishing hole for a bankie or another driftboat. Some times if your lucky they will acknowledge your presence by glaring at you as they go by If I was a client on their boat I would certainly be embarrassed. There are some very good local guides that float the rivers and understand river etiquette, Their clients learn that the river can be shared by all.

Local, that was a good one about only letting people that live near a river fish there. LMAO! I wouldn't laugh so hard if I didn't honestly think you were just joking about that idea.