#1064931 - 12/03/24 06:06 AM
The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
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Spawner
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The full 527-page report can be downloaded here: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/12.04.2024-SSCP-FINAL-REPORT.pdfThe Official Government Report finds: COVID-19 Origins: The COVID-19 pandemic likely originated from a laboratory or research-related incident. Misinformation: Public health officials and the Biden administration engaged in misinformation and disinformation campaigns to suppress the lab-leak theory and promote specific narratives. Government Overreach: The Biden administration’s mask mandates and other restrictive measures exceeded its authority and were often not supported by scientific evidence. School Closures: The decision to close schools during the pandemic was not supported by science and had severe adverse impacts on students’ academic performance, mental health, and physical health. Vaccine Mandates: The government imposed vaccine mandates that were not supported by science, ignored natural immunity, and caused significant collateral damage. Erosion of Public Trust: Actions by public health officials and the government led to a decline in public trust in institutions and a rise in misinformation and anti-science rhetoric. Financial Mismanagement: The government’s pandemic relief programs were vulnerable to significant fraud, waste, and abuse due to insufficient oversight and outdated financial management systems. WHO’s Failure: The World Health Organization (WHO) failed to uphold its mission, caved to pressure from the Chinese Communist Party, and did not hold China accountable for violating international health regulations. Economic Impacts: The pandemic and the government’s response had severe economic impacts on individuals, communities, and businesses, including job losses, business closures, and supply chain disruptions. Unintended Consequences: The government’s pandemic policies, including lockdowns and vaccine mandates, had severe unintended consequences that will likely have lasting effects on society. Congratulations to all the purebloods who refused the vaccine. It’s official and the US government has admitted it: you were absolutely right to distrust the government, the media, the corporations, the medical community, and what they all tried to pass off as “the science”. Thanks to me, Rich G and Streamer for telling you guys the truth on this from the beginning. Now this is the chance for all you vaxtards, masktards and social-distancing-tards to admit that you were wrong for believing the propaganda without evidence and apologize for it. Of course, this is only the partial truth. There are more revelations to come.
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#1064932 - 12/03/24 11:01 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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No Stars for You!
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Good share, FishPrince. Pretty interesting the extensive list of findings in the report. Pretty much everything about covid was proven to be bullschit. The evidence is laid out very clearly under each of the findings and it paints a clear picture on the malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance by politicians and agency heads in handling the covid-19 pandemic. There is clear evidence of cover-up and little basis in science.
I’d like to take a moment to call out the biggest vaxxtards on the dark side and rank order them by their support of these covid measures…
Top vaxxtards:
1. ondarvr 2. Toff 3. Shillster 4. Cumming soon 5. Salmo g 6. DBS 7. DCC 8. Dan S 9. Paker 10. Carcassman
We also need to publicly acknowledge those who were mocked, discredited but correct in their positions and adherence to good policy and science.
Top vindicated list
1. B1tch G 2. Fish Prince 3. Streamer 4. Krijack 5. Evo
Time for reparations and to publicly apologize to the individuals on the vindicated list.
Streamer
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#1064933 - 12/03/24 11:24 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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But But my test says I got the Covid.
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#1064935 - 12/03/24 12:36 PM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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Returning Adult
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To be fair, this report was released by the government, a house oversite committee document correct ?
Kinda makes one go hmmmmm....
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#1064936 - 12/03/24 01:18 PM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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They are here to help. Pull up your sleeve. And Pull down your pants.
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#1064937 - 12/03/24 01:56 PM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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Spawner
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People sure get bent over all of that. The shut down was excessive
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#1064938 - 12/03/24 01:57 PM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: 28 Gage]
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No Stars for You!
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To be fair, this report was released by the government, a house oversite committee document correct ?
Kinda makes one go hmmmmm....
Correct. However, it is still an alternative and a counter assessment of covid that was not allowed to be discussed or questioned. The evidence listed in the report really speaks for itself. Streamer
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#1064940 - 12/04/24 05:37 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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Let's see, the report is from the House Oversight Committee. The House is under the control of the GOP. I didn't notice any talk about the abysmal response from the Trump Administration. Surprised?
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#1064941 - 12/04/24 08:40 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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No Stars for You!
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Let’s see… Trump issues a travel ban. “Look he’s racist!” Trump doesn’t issue a travel ban… “See he did nothing!”
Eddie, old leftists like you, Carcassman, and Salmo fail to consider views and evidence from others when establishing your own opinions. You guys have been fully sucked into the dichotomy, and only believe what your party feeds you.
Evidence is evidence, and it’s all clearly in the report. You clearly do not like the evidence, and even more so don’t like the messengers, which is why you are so quick to dismiss it. Pretty sad and pathetic.
Streamer
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#1064942 - 12/04/24 08:55 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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Spawner
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The Earth is flat 911 was done by lasers There is a deep state led by satan worshipers Covid was a hoax and did not kill millions worldwide The vaccine had chips designed by Bill Gates to be implanted to control people The vaccine killed more than Covid itself John Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, and the AMA studies were all wrong in that the vaccine reduced Covid mortality rates by allowing the body to recognize the virus and lessen its symptoms The population after the vaccine was available created its own natural immunity by massive infection rates
Anyone have any other truths they would like to add?
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#1064943 - 12/04/24 09:14 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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River Nutrients
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The Trump administration: Let's pretend that it's not that bad and will go away on its own by April. (It didn't, and hundreds of thousands died.)
The Biden administration: We're scared sh!tless of this. Pull out all the stops and practice an abundance of caution.
Salmo"s rationale: At least half of all Americans are stupid and can understand only black and white and are incapable of understanding statistics or nuance. So the gov't overstated its case and over reached. Given the stupidity of the general population, imagine the number of deaths that would have resulted had the gov't taken no action.
Special thanks and congratulations to the anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, and anti-social distancers who contracted Covid and died, or nearly died, for proving your point, whatever it was.
Streamer, (who may not understand anything outside the bounds of black and white) not all evidence is equal. There is weak evidence, modest evidence, and clear, cogent, and convincing evidence. They are not all the same.
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#1064944 - 12/04/24 09:46 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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No Stars for You!
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Salmo,
It isn’t the responsibility of government to “take action” when there is a pandemic. Previous pandemics were managed by doctors. This pandemic was managed by bureaucrats and politicians with mandates, rules and policies that were not rooted in science
For example, the 6 foot social distancing rule, if you look at the transcript from January 9, 2023 Dr. Fauci admitted there was no studies to support the social distancing rule and that it was a decision made without any data.
Another example, March 8, 2020 interview on 60 minutes, Dr. Fauci stated regarding mask use, “it’s not providing the protection that people think that it is” and since that time, subsequent studies have shown this to be true.
Another example “just get the jab and you won’t get covid.” - Joe Biden This has also been proven to be untrue. You are quick to blame anti-vaxxers and anti-mask wearers for sickness and casualties and are quick to dismiss the false sense of security people had with getting jabs and wearing masks that don’t work. One could make the case that these people are just as much at fault if not possibly more at fault.
I could do this all day but honestly what’s the point. That is all just “weak evidence” and should be ignored.
Just admit it Salmo, science was not on the side of covid protocols and you ignore science as it is counter to your opinions. “Orange man bad” and your blind faith in systems and government clouds your judgment.
Streamer
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#1064948 - 12/04/24 02:12 PM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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Spawner
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Covid was a pretty weird virus. I knew some that barely got the sniffles, some that got very ill and hospitalized but recovered (that had no co morbidities), and two that died. When I finally got it, it was rather mild. My wife got pretty sick. Until we reached herd immunity and the virus settled down to a bad cold, it was pretty serious. I think the shutdowns were not managed well and didn't make much sense.
In states that decided no mask mandates (of course non N95 were useless), no social distancing, no shutdowns, etc, outcomes were pretty much the same, according to the CDC.
But let's ask ourselves this, What should the government have done differently given the poorly understood and evolving nature of the virus? Doctors guided the politicians who had the power to shut things down but they were guessing at best at times. If we get a more serious pandemic issue we are screwed because the misinformationalists will start up again on both sides and needless deaths will occur.
I remember talking to many tradesmen during all that who wholeheartedly believed it was all nonsense but had very poor understanding of science or medicine. It became a dubious badge of honor to defiantly walk through crowds while fake coughing and all. Not a great representation of humans.
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#1064949 - 12/04/24 11:44 PM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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#1064950 - 12/05/24 09:47 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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River Nutrients
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Whether gov't should take action is a judgement call. If the gov't had done nothing, millions of Americans would have been clamoring for gov't action. I'm not taking sides on that.
Calling the policies "not rooted in science" is a stretch. Let's take social distancing. Science tells us that if I don't come in contact with the moisture laden breath of an infected person, then it is far more likely than not that I won't become infected. Social distancing almost always works then. What is at issue is the distance. 6' is arbitrary and didn't help much. One could conclude that 6' was capricious. But most scientists didn't know that until after the fact when there was data to indicate as much. So what should people have done? Oh, maybe shoot any republican who comes within 30 or 40' of me and call it self defense. That would sure go over well in this society that no longer believes in the rule of law. Or would you choose the "do nothing" option?
What about the vaccine? It's not 100% effective! Well no sh!t Sherlock; most things aren't 100% effective. But if it's 75% effective or higher, it leads to herd immunity faster and with fewer losses than doing nothing. Oh, and your exalted Orange Leader got the vax, and initiated operation Warp Speed to develop it. Same with masks, not 100% effective, but higher than zero. And how they are worn contributes much to their effectiveness. That's what I meant about American stupidity. It's gotta' be 100% effective, or it's 0%; nothing in between. You tell me, are Americans really this stupid?
You're right that doctors and scientists were guessing at times. When there's a lack of data to work with, educated guesses are the best that science can offer because science is evidence driven. But stupid Americans are unable to comprehend nuance and understand that when there is a lack of information, the best one can do is compare and contrast any similar conditions that could be applicable. Or you could do nothing and watch more people get sick and die.
With the benefit of hindsight it's now easy to see that some things should have been done differently. But that's hindsight. Foresight was a game of educated guessing to "promote the general welfare" of the nation. That's a big tent, and I don't think a "do nothing" approach is a very good fit.
My opinions are generally informed by science; that's basically how I manage my entire life. When science evolves and changes, my opinions also change. Now you're not wrong about "Orange man bad," because, upon reasonable examination of that POS, I've not managed to find any redeeming quality in him, which is why I'm so flabbergasted that so many gullible Americans fall for his cult leadership. On his best day, the guy really is a sh!tstain, so you'll excuse my harsh summation of him.
I do not have blind faith in anything. If you knew me at all you would conclude that I am very much a person of evidence faith. My faith in government is supported by the fact that a constitutional republic (see, I get it) based on democratic principles of pluralism, free expression and commerce yields a better functioning society for the masses than does anarchy or totalitarianism, or oligarchy. The evidence supporting my faith is to take a look at how well off people are in western democracies compared to how well off they are in the dictatorships. Seems pretty clear, cogent, and convincing to me. Am I wrong? If so, please detail how.
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#1064952 - 12/05/24 09:57 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
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River Nutrients
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Same statisticians Inslee contracted with during Covid that provided bogus data must have also helped him balance the state budget. Clearly somebody was asleep at the wheel. There is a position of State Economist, presumably at the Dep't. of Revenue. I don't know much about it, but one of my daughters dated the son of the State Economist back during, maybe it was Gary Locke's governorship or maybe the governor before. Doesn't matter, but what I recall is that he could forecast state revenue to within a cat's whisker, year after year. It looks like it's unfortunate that he retired if the replacement came in so far off during this biennium. I saw on the news day before yesterday that the Legislative leaders believe, they know, they said, that the election results show that WA votes want them to solve this budget problem in the upcoming session with more taxes to cover the gap. Funny thing is, I don't recall voting for that.
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#1064953 - 12/05/24 10:05 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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Returning Adult
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“ This is an excellent example of a basic stupid American. Yeah, set off some missiles at China. Typical dumfvck “
And this is possibly an example of someone that has no humor, calls someone names and accuses them of dumphukery with an inability to really understand the seriousness of thier retort, when actually they cannot properly process what the other person is saying due to anger.
It’s a joke, a well drifted bait for sure...
Edited by 28 Gage (12/05/24 10:40 AM)
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#1064954 - 12/05/24 10:26 AM
Re: The Official Covid-19 Story: Revised Edition
[Re: FishPrince]
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No Stars for You!
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And Salmo usually takes the bait…
Streamer
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