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#112505 - 04/24/01 11:21 PM Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Reel ZaQ Offline
Parr

Registered: 04/06/01
Posts: 52
Loc: Beaverton, OR
The following is a copy from a thread below, I wanted to make sure everyone hepls me on this one.

"I made a flyer and posted it on the BB's at my work. PLeading with people not to go up and buy these fish. I would like to revamp it, maybe with some facts. RT or anyone, where can I get more info on "why the Natives should stop their netting practice"? Thanks!"
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#112506 - 04/25/01 02:48 AM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for a good idea and effort Zag. One important thing is to come off as mainly against endangered native chinook harvest. Not as unfairly anti-Native American. However, explain that during negotiations for a fish allocation via the NMFS (National Marine Fisheries Service) that in order to allow non-Indians to fish the Columbia, the Columbia Treaty Tribes demanded and got the ESA (Federal Endangered Species Act) impact on endangered Columbia Spring Chinook salmon raised from a 9% overall ESA impact last year up to a 15% impact this year (which means 15% of the endangered native springers will be killed and a vast majority sold). That involves too many native fish being killed by their gillnets! The sportfishermen will only get a 0.9% ESA impact to fish for hatchery fish only (taking less that 1/13th of what the Indians are getting). Then the non-Indian commercial netters get a 1.1% ESA impact, leaving the Federated Tribes of the Columbia Region a whopping 13% ESA impact. This was reluctantly agreed to by the NMFS and States of Oregon and Washington due to concern of threatened lawsuits by the Tribes to have the Columbia River dams removed if they didn't get an unfair allocation of fish way over their Treaty law of an equal 50/50 split of fish with non-Indians. Our main concern is with the killing of too many native fish! A good flyer and carried sign should read "Please do not support the overkill of native salmon or subsidize this by purchasing gillnet caught Columbia fish from the Indians or non-Indain gillnetters." Also, these fish have often been left unattended and dead for too long before cleaning onto ice (many Indians will just sell them unbled and uncleaned to the public w/o FDA food inspections). Our secondary concern is the very unfair low allocation of sportfishing opportunity on the very abundant hatchery spring chinook available, despite the fact sportfishers release any native fish caught to a very high survival rate (ODFW studies indicate a 93% survival rate of these released springers; while ALL of the native fish caught by their gills suffer a 100% death rate). Tell would be buyers these facts can be checked at the ODFW offices in Portland, or with the NMFS. ... Good going Zaq! Thanks. ....

If several of you sprotfishers were to go up to Cascade Locks parking lots, and other selling areas, with such flyers to hand out along with rightfully and peacefully carrying protest signs, it should do some good. If the market lowers for these fish that will take away their incentive to keep gillnetting them as much. It also just might help with future negotiations for a fairer allocation of these fish.

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#112507 - 04/25/01 08:08 AM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Reel ZaQ Offline
Parr

Registered: 04/06/01
Posts: 52
Loc: Beaverton, OR
Nice, I will make a new flyer tonight. There are ALOT of people that have been talking where I work about going up to the Locks and getting salmon. That is why I initially made the flyer and wanted to get more info. You gave me what I was looking for RT! Thanks!
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#112508 - 04/25/01 01:18 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
berkley boy Offline
Fry

Registered: 10/05/00
Posts: 37
Loc: edgewood,wa usa
hey zaq, im usually not involved with anything due to salmon except for fishing for them, but the indian netting practices got me pissed!!! they preach there forefathers fished therefore i mother earth crap..well, i would like to help out and distibute flyers with ya on a sat afternoon if thats what you are planning on doing..i jus need directions and a time where to meet..but anyways back to the netting, they say they are trying to reastablish these fish ( the indian bios say that) and then they go netting the wild fish they are trying to save thus wiping out more strains, is this hypocritical or am i jus being over critical here? thanks for all your doing, it will have a impact.. **berkley boy**
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#112509 - 04/25/01 01:29 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Osprey Offline
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Registered: 05/09/00
Posts: 915
Loc: Osprey Acres /Olympja
I so tired of hearing about"our tradition and ancestory" rolleyes

Well I guess that means since I'm mostly German and my neighbors Polish.....I'll be invading his property next week......Pleeaassee mad mad
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#112510 - 04/25/01 02:18 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kalamabama Offline
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Registered: 03/07/00
Posts: 324
Loc: LaCenter Wa USA
ZaQ would you post what you will print on your flyers. I will print some up also. And make a trip up to hand some out. I think it would be good if we were all saying the same thing.
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#112511 - 04/25/01 02:41 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flyfisher1066 Offline
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Registered: 02/16/01
Posts: 72
Loc: Seattle, WA, USA
Passing out fliers would be a very good idea that we could all participate in. If someone wrote up a good flier and made the file available to everyone, we could all download it and print out copies on our own and distribute them. We ought to spread the idea around the BB and get as many people involved as possible. Then we could have people all over the NW spreading the fliers and making a difference. I know I can help because I am in Seattle. Whadya say guys?
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#112512 - 04/25/01 03:26 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pilar Offline
Fry

Registered: 04/03/01
Posts: 27
Loc: Portland Oregon
If I can get the text of this Flyer E'd to me today, I'll print it out and take it tomorrow. I'll drive right by there about 8 or so tomorrow morning and again on Friday same time.

I'm checking it out anyway. Maybe take some pictures of rotting, gill netted, wild, Idaho bound springers.
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#112513 - 04/25/01 05:22 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Reel ZaQ Offline
Parr

Registered: 04/06/01
Posts: 52
Loc: Beaverton, OR
Pictures are worth a thousand words, as the saying goes. I will work on a flyer tonight. How much are they selling these dead native fish for? confused
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#112514 - 04/25/01 09:50 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fish'n Bob Offline
Egg

Registered: 04/25/01
Posts: 1
Loc: Troutdale
Please remember that you are on the reservation and do not have all the same rights like when you are in the USA. I'll post some flyers at work when the picture version comes out.

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#112515 - 04/25/01 11:13 PM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dances Offline
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Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 276
Loc: Clarkston Wa
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They have no jusidiction over you when you are on their land rolleyes I think dont quote me on that though. laugh
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#112516 - 04/26/01 12:29 AM Re: Selling salmon from the nets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Parr

Registered: 11/20/00
Posts: 44
Loc: Columbia City, OR
Good job Zaq, I sent mine also.

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