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hawgcatcher

posted 09-01-2001 04:22 pm

Today I received my new issue of Bassmaster Magazine Sept/oct.2001. The editor had a very interesting message to alert the members and other fisherman. We are all aware of PETA and their ilk trying to stop us from fishing as well as hunting. We all laugh it off and call them names. He does not now laugh. "Peta has 600,000 members and their protests in 'england and Germany have already produced fishing bans on a number of lakes and streams."
In July, a former wildlife biologist attended the Animal Rights conference in W. Virginia and he has since put out a report on the groups radical agenda. The organization is bragging how they are forcing the Boy Scouts to discontinue their merit badges for fishing. They state that if peaceful methods fail then more "radical" tactics must be used. The biologist stated that he felt like he was "attending a commmunist training program back in the 1950's and 1960's for a cadre of insurgents being sent into a country to subvert.

PETA blasted Presidedent George W. Bush as "an enemy to us all". They boast of controling congress and other federal bureaucracy but they no longer have control over the Fish and Wildlife Service since Clinton left office.

Scary? You are right. Think they can't do it? You may be wrong. I worked for an Animal Control Agency and believe me these people can undermine a lot of different programs. They can twist facts and control minds. They are already in schools teaching our children that fishing is bad. Who are they? They are people in all parts of life that subscribe to the idea that animal rights come first before man. No animal or fish should be eaten and their bodies should not be used for any other use.

The best way to fight is to keep your eyes and ears open to their programs. Listen when your kids come home with ideas from their schools.

This article awakened some new thoughts in my mind. I just hope my grandkids and their kids don't have these plans happen in their world.

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RT

posted 09-02-2001 02:07 am

I agree with you Hawgcatcher that PETA is a real threat to fishers; as they are to hunters. I don't know how much of one yet. I also agree with Roadsend that if you have evidence that PETA is involved in anti-fishing propaganda in schools you had better get to writing letters to the principals and law enforcement officials in that school district right away! Get help from other fishermen in any such infiltrated school district. ...
Does anyone know why we are getting entirely way too many short minded radical people, such as 'right to lifers' and PETAs, that are getting in our faces and after our intrinsic rights? And seemingly don't have a real life of their own? ...

HEAR THE FOLLOWING PETA!

PETA needs to learn factual concepts such as: The cougars they try to protect evolved eating cute little live deer; and they still eat them alive! And that people are evolved mammal animals too, despite their higher intelligence level; just like the cougar that has higher intelligence than a rodent it eats. PETA cannot have it both ways - contending that higher intelligent human animals can't eat lower intelligent animals, yet for them it's fine if other animals can eat lower intelligence animals! Geeeeeeeez. And that us human animals evolved eating dumber dead animals, that we killed with much less suffering than being eaten alive! And that we have just as much inherant and God given right to eat fish and animals as bigger wild predator animals eat smaller animals, and bigger fish eat smaller fish! And that the Bible says that Jesus was one heck of a great fishermen, that provided lots of fish for needy people to eat! And they need to try explaining why they aren't protesting and trying to stop wild animals and big fish from eating smaller animals and little fish?!? ... I strongly suspect they don't have the intelligence to answer these questions. Or maybe even understand the truths I've written? Still, we should try to educate them to these facts! ...

PETAs also need to know for sure that any radical attacks on fishermen and their rights will be met with appropriate radical self defences! Does anyone know the PETA website url? Or other ways for lots of us to send them letters with all of the above facts included? Please post it if you do. Thanks. ...

Mike Gilchrist and RFA (Recreational Fishing Alliance), what is your take on this? And what do you think we should do about it?

RT

RT -

Here is their URL.
http://www.peta-online.org/

Here is their fish campaign link:
www.nofishing.net

Its very tough to inform the ignorant. I wonder how many of the 600,000 drive a car or own leather goods, wool, or silk for that matter. I would imagine we could put a very long list together that would make them a bunch of hypocrites.

Steve

[ 09-02-2001: Message edited by: Saltine ]

I don't think PETA gives a rat a$$ about facts.They are appealing to compassionate types who will not question the direction their heart points them.These are the folks most easily influenced by propaganda.

My favorite response to these people is to ask them if they eat meat.Then tell them,"if you eat meat you kill animals".A granola will actually try and argue this point.A point they cannot win.
Sportsmen are honest about what happened to obtain that meal.People that pay others to provide them their meat,and pretend like it's not their fault, are your PETA supporters.

Peta-

Wasn't it founded by the guy who was in the crapper when everyone was drinking the kool-aid at Jim's camp?

As with any other cult, an extreme amount of propaganda has to be waded through before any facts are presented. When PETA was first started, I whole-heartedly agree that their present course is a complete swerve. It's this big, nasty, hairy vegetable now, that's organically grown in a controlled climate in the backyard greenhouse to some of the biggest mansions in California.

They hate fishing because their fathers (and mothers) must have really sucked a big one in the parenting column. Why should I be blamed for poor parenting? My parents sure aren't...... :p

Oh man,don't even get me started on rich Californian/Hollywood types.
I can understand some old lady getting suckered into donating money because she thinks she is feeding some starving cat somewhere.However,the actor/actress who plays the issue to project an image of concern and "social responsibilty" really gets my goat.I'm sure they're all vegetarians,don't ya think?
Makes me want to rent Natural Born Killers.I wonder what worthy peaceful cause Woody donated his share to anyway...

From what I have been told (contrary to their propaganda), PETA really does not have much credibility in Washington DC. Its tough to have influence when some of your more radical people are involved in destruction of property and other illegal activities.

This does not mean that we should ignore them. They are just not priority #1. The best way to fight them is through the kids fishing programs. Be suspicious when programs like these get their funding cut for any reason.

Right now there are too many fisherman for them to defeat, but that will change if we don't continue to bring people into the sport. As much as I hate all the overcrowding of our rivers and lakes, its a good thing in the big picture.

We also need to be aware of what is being introduced in state level congress. Recently in an East coast state, an environmental group got legislation introduced to ban the use of lead sinkers. It was defeated, but its disturbing that it got that far.

Defending the sport against animal rights extreemists is not the reason I got involved in RFA, but its another good reason. If they going to hurt us, it will be using the political process so we need a political force to combat them.

Hunters: If you have not noticed, hunting is in trouble. There fewer and fewer hunters, not to mention less animals to hunt. The population growth is in the cities and will continue to be. They are not the most sympathetic people to hunting as a sport. Get involved or risk continuing to loose hunting rights in the next 50 years.

Hey! If we were not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?

That is why I support P.E.T.A. : People for Eating Tasty Animals