Well, I'm not going to jump on anyone's bandwagon here. My position is very clear by anyone who knows me and knows my postings. I don't care who said what about whom on what board and where what belongs. (follow that?). There is alot more censure over on Ifish. Remember, it's the site owners discretion to have a BB. It's not truly needed. Whatever the rules are, are set by the OWNER and should be followed by EVERYONE. When one person is panned and the other person applauded for doing same thing is when it's wrong. Why set rules if everyone isn't supposed to follow it.

Well, all I have to say is , , , and .

Ya, this stuff is a little bit silly - kinda like real life, ay? Maybe not so silly. Part of the reason I have so enjoyed these two NW BBs is because they have become large and diverse enough that they have also become a microcosm of society in general. While both fishing informative and fun, they are also an interesting study of human nature. That's partly why it has become semi-addictive for many members.

For the couple of guys expressing that ifish stuff should be left on ifish, I understand your sentiment. However, understand that these 2 fishing BB communities have a lot more members that belong to both sites than you realize! And when fair things get deleted on ifish by the Nazis, some of us have taken to putting it on this fair site when it is worthy. And importantly, this is about the new age of communication and it's affect on the NW fishing world! Not just ifish or Piscatorial. ... Also as mentioned, you don't have to click on this thread anyway! Why is that concept so difficult for some boneheads to grasp?!? They complain about it, but yet they keep clicking on it and become involved making sniveling posts. Hmmm. Like I said, an interesting study of human interactions and reasoning.

Thanks Aunty M, and many others, for understanding the 'what and why' of this thread. Your wisdom comes thru on your website too Marsha (Aunty M.).

There is a double standard and certain inconsistency of application of so-called 'rules' applied to a public forum on ifish. Like in oppresive big business, the owner and her compatriots are often allowed to by pass these 'rules' while many are not - including me, who helped build that BB both financially and via informative and fun posts; for close to 2 years. I don't remain there for those unfair people with the delete bottons, I am there to enjoy interaction with a whole lot of friends and also a lot of good members there. This situation has been ongoing due to the agenda and disdain of the owner toward the moderators that felt compelled to leave that role at ifish (3 leaving within a half year). Those are facts. Like it or not. Deal with it if you don't like it; because it is the basis for problems that should be avoided. >>>>>

I credibly compare fishing website pages set up as a public forum, to
salmon/steelhead rivers. Just as the adjacent landowners of NW rivers technically own the land on each side of them and even the river bottom too, they do not own the water or fish that run thru them. It's much the same with websites that open a public forum page. The page is technically owned, but the rightfully expressed thoughts of the members can NOT be owned and fashioned! And these members and their contributions are the lifeblood of the whole website; and bring the hit ratings that bring ad revenues to the site! Posted thoughts belong to the posters. And anyone that behaves reasonably should not be censored. Certainly treated the same as others. Not doing so, as has been the case with ifish, is akin to the riverfront property owner telling boaters they can't anchor on the bottom of the river they own; which is legally incorrect. It's also like a property owner telling some boaters where they are allowed to cast into the public water, while allowing their friends to cast where and how they want. That is not right! That's the point this whole thing has come to. Fairness and consistency for all. Like it is supposed to be in free America; and should be everywhere. ...

A deserved rant. That's all.

[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: RT 1 ]

RT,
You've got to be one of the funniest guys I've met on and off the boards.... I stand behind you 100% with anything that you want to post fishing or not, as for beer we all love it and posting a pic with a beer in hand, WHO CARES!!
Keep up the good work, believe it or not we all look forward to your posts comical or not, they're tipically educating!!
Keith

I agree with you stlhdr1. All of his posts are either educating and funny or both. there are a bunch of guys that belong to both places including the Rpetzold guy that doesn't want ifish stuff on his board here. Now that is stupid. Why try to part these places instead of bringing more fishermen together? and those nazis on ifish don't have the level of intellect of Rt and he makes them look rediculose. He even made a couple lawyers look weak in debates on there. everyithing he said in that long rant here is right on the money. I know. Im a member of ifish to. Now Im staking off for the Nehalem and try to catch a fish and I'll use some of Rt suggestions to improve the odds. Frog

What a waste of time this whole thread is. Who cares what happens on some other privately owned board? They can do what they want. And I, for one, have no interest in seeing people partying with their daughter and her friends. Maybe later I'll post a picture of me wrapping pipes under my house. It's about as relevant and interesting.

Poke

Pokey,


Fishhead5

Well, I suppose if the thread was titled, "RT's party pics" I would have ignored it. But the flowery title beginning with "Freedom of expression" made me think that maybe it was worth reading. I was wrong.

Poke

I have never seen this IFISH forum, did a search for it and came up blank, anyone have the web address?

RT, if you get your panties in a knot every time something doesn't go your way, you are going to need a prescription for Prozac. Using your little influence and notoriety to promote a snotty sour grape attitude is very unprofessional. You come over here and rally the troops for what reason?

The moderators at any sight are human beings that have to make decisions based upon whatever criteria they are given. If they make a seemingly wrong judgement call, it is just that....a judgement call. So what if the party photos were deemed unnecessary. Jen has posted many times about the unwieldly size the board is getting. Is that lost on you? Geez, cut some slack and lighten up.

As a "professional" writer for my favorite fishing magazine, I wonder if you don't have a responsiblity to take a little higher ground and stop this bashing crap. See if Mr. Amato would let you print your little diatribe in his magazine. That should be a good indicator as to whether you should post it here.

RT I really enjoy reading everything that you post. I don't think it's a big deal that you posted some pictures that weren't fishing related. But are you going to get pissed off at Ifish and not go there anymore like you did at Marty's? You are a valuable asset to any BB, but you have to let some things go.

~ Dr Pepper

Hey pitch pocket,

Do you think Frank Amato is afraid of some conflict? Maybe you should read Dave Vedder's columns on logging (noting your signature) to see how afraid he is. I suppose you called STS to cancel your 'scrip because Vedder called the logging industry a bunch of irresponsible jacka$$es?

Thanks for your opinion.

And thanks to pokey for adding to this "waste of time." LOL.

What sort of conflict are you referring to? The fact that the logging industry has been irresponsible since just about forever? I'm sure Mr Vedder is the first to come up with that one. Tell me something I don't know. Just because I'm in the business doesn't mean I agree with past logging practices. There is no dispute here that irresponsible logging adversly affects our fish habitat. Add it to the myriad other reasons our stocks have been in decline.

Back to the real issue. RT's rant is unprofessional and unnecessary. You really think Frank Amato would publish that? Is Mr Amato a proud editor to have RT in the fold for his "freedom of expression" essay? Maybe we'll see it in next months STS? I doubt it.

I can't beleive "WE" are giving this tread this much ..action

things have alway been a double standard at Ifish........always

Just depends on "who you know" and weather or not you're an EX mod or know one.....Os
just remember it's a double edged sword

Since I'm new here, I don't know all the history that surrounds the daily drama of these sites and I really don't care, it's boring after a month. I'm sure others not in the cliques feel the same. I'm sure the owner of this site would care not to have poision from another site tainting his.

as far as "RT"...The guy is old enough to have a daughter in college, yet he throws a tantrum like a little leaguer..it's embarassing...

PP,

Or maybe Mr. Amato doesn't give a rat's a$$ what RT does in his own time. Why do you? If you find this thread a waste, why post on it? If you think RT is being childish, why are you joining him? Seems to me that the ONLY threads you post on here are the conflict ones.

Guess that say something about YOU, Mr. Pocket.

The real problem I see with this thread is guys jumping each other for differing opinions. I believe we're bombing the sh!t out of someone right now to protect freedom of speech, amongst other things. Lets practice a little bit of that here by respecting each others opinion, whether you agree or not. That is usually why I enjoy this site more than the other one, along with being able to lift each others skirt now and again for some humor.

If you read a post that makes you po'd, try not to respond for a couple hours. I know I usually do alot better when it doesn't come off the cuff.

Dan, it sounds like you are RT's knight in shining armor. I don't know why I need to get into a pissing match with you about my opinion of RT's diatribe.

Let me spell it out for you. Lets say hypothetically that I hire Jimmy the Greek to comment on sports, he fires off some inappropriate comments to the public, I fire his a$$. Does that ring a bell?

RT is a quasi-public figure now. He has a responsibility to be level headed and appropriate. His post is anything but. It is a childish personal slam thinly disguised as a "freedom of expression" concern. "Is it bringing down ifish?". I think there may be a not so hidden us against them agenda there.

You sound like an angry person. Go ahead and have the last word. Sounds like you need it.

Only angry with those with 10 or 20 posts are going to tell us how things ought to be done. I'm not defending RT, I'm slamming guys like YOU, the mother hen type who think they are going to tell RT how to act, Frank Amato how to manage his writers, and the crackers at Ifish who provide nothing but complaints on a fishing BB. I don't need the last word, but I'd LIKE it if wankers provided ANY types of fishing info and not JUST complaints.

There's your last word...........

Sure does sound like a lot of whiners on here, WHO CARES? All you whiners are probably the same people that's heart's sink when they pull into the parking lot at 7:00 AM and see 3 driftboat trailers that are ahead of you, or do you even fish. Perhaps you're looking for the excitement to get into a shooting match and debate on here. Save your breath and let's talk more fishing.
RT, all though you've found some bashers, I'd suggest you keep posting and any of those that don't like the thread, just stay off the post...
Keith

Dan, I'm glad you cleared that up. So it's not what I'm saying, it just that I'm saying it. It's ok for a sportsman such as yourself with lots of posts to complain about me, but "crackers" and "wankers" as you refer to other less prolific posters here, may not post opinions without getting slammed? You have a pretty exclusive club here. Maybe this is just the place for angry sportsman who hold most others in disdain.

With only 10 or 20 posts, what could I possibly tell YOU about fishing?