How can I get my hands on some of these hooks? I've been less than satisfied with the Gamis lately. Well, the red ones lately anyway. The anodizing comes off the hook out of the package. I expect a little more quality for the $ that they charge. I like the treated hooks because I won't sharpen a hook. I'd rather replace it. If I could find a quality hook at the right price, I would be a long term customer. I've tried every store around and nobody carries Visions. Can I buy in bulk at a discount? I see their "pro staffers" on this board, so I thought I would check here.

I've got a question about Vision hooks, too... do they come in any bends other than Limerick bend, like do they come in an Octopus or Viking type bend, or am I out of luck?

I've tried a few different packages of the Visions, and I like the sharpness, I like the strength, but I think I'd like to try them in an Octopus bend.

Just wondering,

-N.

"I won't sharpen a hook. I'd rather replace it."

Reel Time

Call O.C. Fisherman's Marine, I think they have Vision hooks.

Yes, they have visions in octopus hooks. Used them exclusively this fall fishing season with good success. They held up well. Go to the websiite. They can help you there. I thiink the website is http://www.visionhooksandtackle.com . I saay I think it's tha address.

Now, all I need is some vision fly hooks (hint hint Joe). I know you don't have any yet in production.

Reel Time,

I work for Vision and handle the accounts in Washington. Joe "Superfly" from this board works with the dealers in Oregon and he should be able to give you a list of dealers closest to you and/or bulk ordering information. I will let him know about your questions and have him contact you if you like or e-mail him at superfishh@home.com

Thank you and good fishing,

MoFish, O.C. Fisherman's doesn't carry them. Kid Sauk, Thanx, I will E-mail Superfly.

I tried some Visions this year after everyone said how good they were. I bought 100 and 6 broke in a fishes mouth. Thats 6% failure, I'm working my way thru 100 Mustad Ultra Points now...so far, so good.

Randy and I must have had the same batch of hooks. I also encountered hooks breaking on fish or just plain becoming unbuttoned.
I was using red 1/0 octopus.
I also have noticed that my red Gamakatsus lose there finish lately, however I would rather use gamy with a tainted finish over a Vision hook any day.

My opinion is that Vision hooks will always be inferior to the real thing.

F.J. out.

Interesting. I won't say Vision Hooks are perfect, but I've only seen one Vision Hook break on a fish. That was 5/0 that snapped in half on a fish on the Wind River.

I have had some "issues" with the light-wire jig hooks, but then again, they are not meant for big fish, and that was my issue. Aside from that, I've never personally snapped or straightened a Vision hook.

I'd be curious to know how old those batches of hook are/were. I can't speak for Justin or Joe, but I'm sure if you send the hooks back, they'd be happy to replace them for you. Send Joe some email.

We've suffered a large set back on the Vision e-commerce site. The on-line site should be up and running in the next week or two. Soon, you will have www access to Vision Hooks & Tackle.

Does the e-mail still work? I sent Superfly mail and have had no response as of yet. I'll give it a couple of days. I know it's the weekend. Actually the finish on the reds Gamis was the only issue I had. The problem is the price mostly. Gami offers no real discount on bulk purchases. When Fisherman's Marine has the Gamis on sale in the packages, they are cheaper than the bulk boxes when you do the math. Quite sad. The anodizing coming off out of the package was nothing more than a kick in the butt to look into other hooks. If I can't save $, then I'll stick with what I'm using I guess.

I've always been a fan of Gamakatsu (still am), but lately I haven't had too much money so I tried the Vision hooks. I've been using the 1/0's on silvers and they've been a great hook for the money. I prefer Gamakatsu, but they are almost twice as much $$$. Haven't had any trouble with the Vision's breaking, but I've only used them on silvers. All in all I think they are a good hook for the money.

~ Dr Pepper

I've been using the 3/0 black octo's for my nightin' and I've lost 4 kings out of the 20+ caught in those few trips.

1 40+
0 30's
a buttload of teens and 20+'s

The fish were lost = 1 that was too much for my line capacity. 1 sawed me off. And 2 were foul-hooked.

I did not break a hook. The last hooks I have broken were 2 gammies on springers.

Hooks break, hooks dull, etc. That's part of fishing. I know I have had no probs. fishing Visions and if I did, Joe is about as an approachable guy as any so I don't think customer service is an issue.

But when you compare apples to oranges, you can't draw too many conclusions so give them a try, and use the right hook for the right conditions.

i've been using visions for the last year up here. and i have to say i'll probably keep using them! i've been really impressed! not real expensive but i really like the hook, i've broke a couple of hooks, i think this was due more to my pliars attacking the hook when trying to unbutton it from a fish. i've also been using vision snap swivels, and i have to say i love these too! i actually just bought another 100 snap swivels this weekend, and once again put them to the test, caught a nice 20+ pound king this weekend and had nooooo problem with the swivel or the hooks, too bad i had the let that chrome HOG go but it was still fun! hmmm...this reminds me i think i'm going to go get some more 1/0 red vision hooks at lunch time, i think i'm getting a little low!

Anyone else think that these numbers look like Y'all's recent dating pool?

[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Dave Jackson ]

Dave good question...but look at him ,do you really beleive he would have a date.

I'm sure those were all boots.
when you're night fishin they all look bright.

as far as this topic goes..........how in the Hell do you break a hook

I've had great luck with Visions,I also fish other brands,but I've never broke a hook,i need some of you're line.......Os

I was a Gammy man for over 10 years and lemme tell ya that Gammies are too expensive and you will lose more fish with Gammies than you will with Visions. The reason for this has to do with the design of the hook. The hook tine to shank ratio is greater on the Visions which gives you a deeper hookset which means more holding power. I have done extensive research on Vision Hooks and I fish as much as anybody. Very, very few problems if any and I have tried out stuff that hasn't even hit the market yet.

One more thing to remember for the skeptics....Vision hooks are sized differently than Gamakatsu's. Comparably, Visions are a size smaller than the Gammies so a 1/0 Vision is pretty close to a #1 Gamakatsu. Keep this in mind when buying or ordering your Vision Hooks.

If anybody wants to talk to me about good or bad experiences with their Vision Hooks feel free to e-mail me at visionhooks@hotmail.com and I'd be happy to help you out. If anybody needs a demo on the river sometime just let me know and I'd be happy to put the Vision Hooks and swivels up against any Gammies, Mustads, Owners, you name it. We are a small Olympia-based company and we are doing the best we can at distributing a quality product. Superfly and I post regularly on this board and are eager to offer advice to those who need it. I don't see any of the owners from Gamakatsu helping people out here on Bob's board, do you? Give us a chance and you will be pleased.

Thank you and fish on!

Actually, my brother Mike, I was finding considerable value in his usage of the word "buttload" as far as his dating pool goes.

My brother...........Anytime the phrase Date and Buttload are used together.............I get nervous ..........Os

Kid Sauk, Last year I E-mailed Superfly about getting some hooks to tryout up in Ak where I guide, and he said he would send me some, never recieved any so went to Auburn Sports & Marine and bought 100, hoping to find a replacement for the 1500 or so Gammies I buy a year, of the 100, 7-8 were garbage, I can't afford to have clients use hooks I don't have confidence in so I didn't use any of them. As for Gammie's, no there not perfect either but I buy them by the thousand and only get 1-2 bad ones per box, thats .2% defective compared to 8%, maybe things have changed in a year, I don't know, but I won't pay to find out.
As for the owners of Gammie not posting here, don't think they have the time, to busy selling great hooks all over the world.
why are all hooks compared to Gamakatsu, because they are the best.