I like Vision hooks but are they smaller then Gammies? I got some size 2 and compared them to Gammies and they looked like size 4. Do I need to go an extra size up or am I exagerating? Thanks.

O's as it seems that you have the impression that I am using mondo heavy line I would like to set the record straight. Broken 1/0 hook on a quality 12# leader , does this setup exceed the maximum line to hook ratio? If so would you recommend going to say, a 3/0 ?

I'm so confused............ F.J.....out.

AkKings, sorry to hear that you had a few bad ones in that pack. Since we are a smaller locally-based and rapidly growing company we are steadily improving our quality control efforts so you don't have to find any bad ones in your 100 packs. It's too bad that you didn't use the hooks and if you are still interested, then you can e-mail me and I'll send you a sample along with info on our guide program that you will want to learn about. I also used Visions up in AK last summer with no problems and there are a lot of AK guides and lodges using Vision Hooks and Swivels with great success. Shoot me an e-mail at visionhooks@hotmail.com and we can work on getting you a replacement for that 100 pack you mentioned.

Plug Puller, Vision Hooks are sized differently than Gamakatsu. Visions are close to a size smaller than Gammies so go up a size on the Visions if you want the same size hook as a Gammy. They are also a different shape which includes a longer shank for holding your bait better.

I've never seen your swivels before. How much do they cost? I've been using the cheapy Danielson swivels. The snap part breaks on me all the time when I'm tying a knot and I'm tired of them. So how much are they?

~ Dr Pepper

Hey wasn't this originally a question about where a guy could find these hooks? A couple of posts helping the guy out then all of sudden you startin bustin on the product. Then you start bustin on each other. Any chance you could of just e-mailed the guy with your opinions? Sheeesh!

Since the issue has been raised I might as well jump into it too. I've been using Vision #1 and 1/0 blacks since Joe first lent me a few on the river. I'd been snapping off Lazer Sharps right and left on nice silvers. Been using them since with zero problems on a heck of lot of large pig silvers and bad doogies. No busted hooks....and I'm one of those heavy handed guys that doesn't use the drag much but likes to bury the ol'thumb in the spool. Plus the design as pointed out is different...I think they hook better and definitely stay in better especially when barbless than whatever brands. Plus I've never seen the use in a metallic red hook unless your after Lk Washington sockeye.

Dr Pepper definitely give those swivels a try.

Cove RV Park & Tackle Prostaff(1)
Always FishOn!
Gooose

Kid Sauk, Thanks for the offer but I think I'll stick with what I have confidence in, the reason I didn't try any of the remaining hooks was because I was worried there would be others with defects I couldn't see, when half of my seasons earnings are tips I don't like to have to explain to a guy why his king just busted a hook. I'm sure 90% of those hooks are good, its the other 10% that concerned me. In 11 yrs. I haven't broke any Gami's and only straigtened a couple both on big halibut. Thanks again but I'm happy with the Gami's.

HELLO? I'm not asking for anything free here. I would like to actually BUY some darned hooks.

Let me quote: We are a small Olympia-based company and we are doing the best we can at distributing a quality product. Superfly and I post regularly on this board and are eager to offer advice to those who need it. I don't see any of the owners from Gamakatsu helping people out here on Bob's board, do you? Give us a chance and you will be pleased."

In direct response to that:
1. I don't see your products for sale anywhere I buy gear. I sent an e-mail Saturday and have had no reply. Your web site has no info at all.
2. I'm not asking for advice, just hooks. If I needed advice I would write Dear Abby.
3. I'm giving your company a chance. However, my efforts have seemed futile.

Now if anyone would like to actually sell some hooks, my e-mail is below. If you only want to tell me how good your products are, then let me tell you what my grandpa used to tell me. "Talks cheap. It takes money to buy whiskey."

catch22@spiritone.com

Dr. pepper, i got a 100 pk of snapswivels, for $5.59 at yeagers sporting goods in Bellingham, not sure where to find them where your from, but they are a good buy for that many swivels, and i havent had one pull out yet!

Reel Time and others,
You can e-mail me at superfishh@home.com
Thanks Joe

I would like to be so forunate as to say I hooked something that actually broke the hook, I think I would be almost grateful I didn`t get it in, I would probably be afraid of the dang thing..If the thing can break a hook without snapping the line, sheesh,,
But as for Reel Time, I still didn`t see your inquiry get answered, maybe Dear Abby is your best bet..

FJ I'm not dissin on you
I've just never broke a hook is all.

With a name like Jesus,I'd think you wouldn't even need a hook .....Os

IMHO Vision makes the best barrel swivel

ReelTime:

I don't handle any of the accounts for Vision, so I can't tell you why your favorite tackle store(s) does not carry any Vision Products.

I am working on the www side of Vision, so I'll respond to your inquiries again (see above reply).

As I mentioned earlier, we've suffered a LARGE set back on the Vision e-commerce site. The new on-line site should be up and running in the next week or two. Soon, you will have www access to Vision Hooks & Tackle, and will be able to buy Vision tackle on line.

Obviously, we don't want to piss off Bob, so we'll get in touch with him about how to announce it to you all.

Hang in there. I have a day job, so my time working on the site is limited to my off hours.

In the meantime, fire off some email to Joe or Justin. Don't worry if they don't respond immediatley, as they are probably on a river fishing someplace.

Parker, no fishing for us Vision guys today. Too much work and Joe and I are both in the office today if anybody needs any info and/or orders.

visionhooks@hotmail.com

Thanks and good fishing

[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Kid Sauk ]

Getting one of your geeky fishing buddies to help you on your professional website = good thing

Trying to get that buddy to work on it during a record fall fishery = bad thing

O's it's all good. What can I say about the Fish Jesus thing, you know how it is when the mojo flows and you can't keep them off, your buddies begin to call you names. The FJ thing
sounds much nicer than a-hole, my previous moniker.

Note: I have had great success with Visions black hooks. Are the same proccesses and metals used for both?

FJ........... out.

I've used the Vision hooks for over a year now with no probs - they are a good hook in both the red and the non-painted alloy (I haven't used the black ones yet). I use the 1/0's for steelhead, 2/0's for silvers, and both 4/0 and 5/0 for Kings. I haven't broken one yet. I did have 2 Vision snapswivels break at the wire snap holder on big silvers; but they were a size too small for the target fish. No probs with the next size up. Gamis are good hooks too. But I have had the paint come off as mentioned above. The Owner hooks are great but they are very expensive.

RT

The reds verses the black.

Superfly, that's the addy I used on Saturday and I got your e-mail this morning stating that you never received my mail. So, I checked my Sent Folder and the addies were the same. So maybe your e-mail is outgoing only.

Dr. Pepper,

You can buy Vision hooks and swivels at Swain's in Sequim, they don't have any Octopus bend hooks there, only Limerick bend, but they do have a bunch of swivels. If you don't see what you want, ask Brian or Rudy there to special order you what you want.

I've used the red #2 and red 1/0 Vision hooks, I like the initial sharpness and price, but I've straighted a bunch on snags (with #15 test) and I'm not sure if they stay sharp long enough for me, but my personal jury is still out, so I have to do more testing...

-N.

FJ, yes there is a different process in making the black from the red. First of all the black I think are sharper because they are handeld less. In the process of making the red hooks they go through 3 more processes which means they are handeld three more times which means everytime a hook is handeld it has the chance of becoming dulled or damaged. So I personally stay with the black, but the red outsale the black, go figure!
Peace Superfly