4Salt

I do not get paid.

I do not like stupid people. (granted the person may not be stupid, just slipping.)

I don't know how many times it's been posted about locations where to buy.

I don't see why people have to huff-n-puff because Gamakatsu gives them a free, cool-looking sticker to put on their windshields.

I take personal interest in this because I like to see the local guys make it, especially those that give to the community.

I am a customer, and I am not always right.

There's several email addresses listed for Vision, on and off this board, and surely the question would eventually get answered. If it didn't, no sweat. It's not like it was a matter of life and death.

If I was concerned about customer service issues, I'd never do any business with Lamiglas or Shimano....but I still do from time to time.

People need to lighten up and expect someone out there has a differing opinion. I know what goes on behind the scenes, so I'm usually more patient before I go barking.

I'm sorry to thrash the guy above, but dude, the answers were pretty obvious. And as the company grows, so will customer service quality because it will be easier to delegate those responsibilities.

Who knows, maybe one day, they too will hand out nifty little window stickers at the sportsmen shows so I can look as cool as all the guys driving around with the Gammie stickers.

Of course I've only fished Gammies for 21 years, and many different styles, so I wouldn't know what I'm talking about either


............ it's just one of those days.

'Yall,

I definitely hear you on what you said above. My post wasn't a dis on you personally, just trying to point out that in the business world, impressions are EVERYTHING. How many times do you think Biff at the local McDonalds hears "Hey, do fries come with that?" when someone orders a value meal? He probably want to shout "Dipsh!t, don't you read the menu? But if he said that enough times, he would probably lose customers, and definitely get fired. I know that Superfly and KidSauk are your friends, and you want to come to the defense of their company. The main point of my post is: Sometimes you gotta turn the other cheek a little when trying to make the business a success.

Anyone who puts high-end product stickers on their rigs, be it fishing tackle or mobile stereo equipment, is looking for their rig to be broken into. This is why I'm considering creating a line of auto decals that say in really cool lettering "Stock Stereo", "Tinny Speakers", or maybe even "Garage Sale Pro Staff".

How's that for some serious digression?

4 Salt, no hard feelings were taken, nor was I trying to deliver any. It's one of those font things I guess...lol

I didn't take your post as a dis, so we be down like fo' flat tires on a lowrider.

Catch22, reel time, whomever the moniker. I tried sending you an email, but that was blocked, so I sent this. See below.

Just wanted to say sorry if I singled you out too much in the Vision thread. I was pissed before I read the thread and I was pissed when I posted.

I have no idea where Estcada is, so I don't have a list handy for locations in Oregon. I know there are not many locations in Oregon, but new accounts are building each day. You will have to namedrop to your tackle provider. Several places started selling Vision products where I live and where I fish because of name-dropping. It makes it easier for me.

I'm sorry no one replied to your email, but I'll try and see if I can't answer your question personally when I find out more. I know most of the Vision guys are out most of the time since they have to pull duties normally designed for more employees.

I know where Joe lives...LOL so picking up hooks is easier on me...lol

I would have emailed you this, but your mail icon is blocked. Feel free to PM me, or email me at this address: all_4_the_chinookie@hotmail.com

Again, I'm sorry for tearing in like that. I've been dealing with PR stuff all week (with what I do) so I know the headaches from Joe's end, but also from your end, but because I knew it from Joe's end, I erupted. (gotta love run-on sentences).

I'm normally a peaceful guy, honest....LOL

You'll like the hooks if you like Gammies, but you can't compare them to Owner's and other manufacturers of that caliber, but they do greatly rival gamakatsu. The better thing is that they can be resharpened if you are into stretching out your hooks. Again, don't have any negativity towards Joe and those guys because of my post. They are really a good bunch of guys, and hopefully you can see that in future dealings with them.

I consulted in the beginning on the Vision website, for free, and I can attest that the site is under construction. I can't even go into details about the headaches of dealing with the ISP's. We try not to post too much about the site because we don't want to upset Bob, but it is in the works.

Sometimes sites take years in the works with full-time employees, but most of the guys have day jobs and usually their time is not their own, so your understanding is appreciated.

take care,
Mike

Wow, this is definatley getting interesting

RANDY,

I want to go over a few things with you about the 1/0 Visions that you had problems with. First of all, I would like to send you a 100 replacement hooks in size 2/0 or 3/0. I want to clear the record and say that the 1/0 Visions that you used are about the same size as a #1 Gamakatsu and since Visions are sized smaller, then please make sure you go a size up if you are used to using that size in a Gamakatsu. Get a hold of me at visionhooks@hotmail.com and we can talk about getting you a replacement.

I would also like to thank you guys for the feedback which is appreciated both good and bad. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....we are a small company and we are trying to sell a quality product at a good price. Visions are the best chemically sharpened hook for the price (roughly 1/2 the price of Gammies).

I do a lot of field testing with Vision hooks, swivels and I use them in some pretty interesting situations like Catcher 1 got to witness yesterday. 15lb. chums with #4 and #2 Visions? Yup! Did it yesterday and broke the Maxima leader but didn't break any hooks. Please, folks, do not try this at home! I also use comparably sized Gamakatsu's in my research along with Owner and Mustad. Part of field testing is *comparison* which involves using similarily matched products in order to have an idea of how our product holds up to the competition. So far so good.

I have met a lot of great people from this board and if anybody wants to get a Vision Hooks demo on the water or you want me to send a sample to you, then e-mail me at
visionhooks@hotmail.com

*Thanks for being patient with your sample packages too. I get a helluva lot of requests and I am doing my best to get them all sent out

Now let's quit debating and get out there and get into what is turning out to be the best salmon season in recent history! Peace

No we aren't married :p
But I soon see another Redneck running for political office,I'm sure Bill and HIlary are sooo proud of you.

you back peddled faster than the idiot that yelled at Timberman and realized his mistake when Kev stood up

If I complain about the Hooks can I get some more too
OK here's my complaint....the Damm things keep getting stuck in my fingers....How's that.....Os

curious to one thing: why are the vision hooks a size smaller? Why not just call the size 1/0's size 1? Everyone is comparing them to Gami's...so it seems Gami's are the industry standard. I mean a Craftsman 3/8 drill bit is the same as anyone elses 3/8 drill bit. Apples to Apples thing.

Due to a recent international shortage of oompa-loomps the newer hook factories have to settle for the shorter variety in their hook manufacturing process. As these oompa-loomps are slightly smaller than regular the hooks that they make end up slightly smaller than the norm.

Until the supply of larger oompa-loomps hits the market we're going to have to slight differences in size from one manufacturer to the next.

LMFAO



You guys are killing me... How do you come up with this shheeeat

Clearance prices on Halloween candy cause sugar highs, which lead to overactive brain cells.

Dave,

Bad news, just got off the phone with the IRS. Seems they have confiscated Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory and all said property contained there within, namely: the larger oompa loompa's used to make the everlasting gobstoppers and lickable wallpaper.

Seems Gamakatsu has the largest supply on hand and they are not subcontracting them out, and the United States military has directed all the larger oompa loompas towards the war, in dealings with caves.

Seems the first oompa loompas that were ever enslaved were found in caves in Canada, plus their flourescent hair aids in casting light.

For now, we'll have to deal with the size smaller deal. We would have gotten Gary Coleman and Joe C but they are working on a remake of "See No Evil."

REEL TIME.
I you ever get south check out these stores, Dan Dee's Sales in Sweet Home Oregon. Fishermans Corner in Philomath Oregon. Harrys Bait and Tackle in Newport. If the guys at the Surplus Center in Coos Bay ever get thier crap together they may carry them also. These are the only places I can name off the top of my head.
If you want to go a little north, Fishermns depot in Woodland has Vision hooks. Also Kalama River Bait & Tackle sales Vision Hooks and tackle The store is located 2.5 miles up Kalama river road in Kalama WA.
If your local shop doesnt carry Vision products, Ask them about carrying Vision products.

Everyone,
I have e-mailed reeltime 4 times, Please send me your mailing address and we can get some hooks to you.
Also if you ask for them at your local tackle shop they might put them in.
Jacks snacks and tackle in sandy has them, as does ollie damons and we are working on fishermans marine and many other stores in oregon as well.

you can e-mail me at superfishh@home.com
this address works as well as the other ones.

Also our hooks are about a 1/2 size smaller than the gammies, and since when did gammy become the sizing king? Mustad has been around many more years than they have so if I was going to compare hook sizes I would compare them to mustad since that is probably what everyone else did.

Thanks Superfly

Everyone,
I have e-mailed reeltime 4 times, Please send me your mailing address and we can get some hooks to you.
Also if you ask for them at your local tackle shop they might put them in.
Jacks snacks and tackle in sandy has them, as does ollie damons and we are working on fishermans marine and many other stores in oregon as well.

you can e-mail me at superfishh@home.com
this address works as well as the other ones.

Also our hooks are about a 1/2 size smaller than the gammies, and since when did gammy become the sizing king? Mustad has been around many more years than they have so if I was going to compare hook sizes I would compare them to mustad since that is probably what everyone else did.

Thanks Superfly

Newsflash, `neck. Joe C. is dead. Don't feel bad, as it only happended damned near a year ago.

Dead midgets bend no hooks.

Yeah and I bet next thing you'll say is Elvis is dead, and that there isn't a Satan Claus.

I wasn't talking about that Joe C. I was talking about the one down on 12th Street. Besides, if dead guys can do vaccuum cleaner commercials, who says Joe C. couldn't play a supporting role to Gary Coleman? :p

Just got back from Elk hunting in Eastern Oregon and read the crap posted after I left.
Hey, Yall. Apology accepted. Guess I was truly "stupid" to think that I could actually ask a question on this board without you "helping". Estacada is up the Clackamas river from Oregon City. So my local fishing store is OC Fisherman's marine. They don't carry Visions nor do any other stores around here that I can find. I was TRYING to support a local company. I don't GIVE A CRAP about stickers. I NEVER wanted anything for FREE. I just wanted to know if I could BUY some hooks in bulk.
Joe, Ollie Damon didn't have any last week when I dropped off a reel there for service. I have to go pick it up tomorrow, so I'll check again. I know where Jack's is and I can try there too. Thanx for the reply and and the offer on the trial pack of hooks. Like I said, I never wanted anything for free, and I still don't. Just wanted to know where I could find a reasonable deal on some hooks in bulk. Thanx-

I wasn't addressing you with the sticker, point.

Screw showing humility to you PACNW'ers. From now on, you want an unhumble redneck, you got one.

There's the redneck we all know and love!! I thought you were going soft on us for a minute there! Sometimes I take this crap too seriously and too personal. Many times I'm too impatient. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong and when that day comes, I'll do so!!