Ok thanks Stormin' I'll check that out tomorrow because I'll be in Sequim. Hope the swivels aren't too expensive. The more I use the Vision hooks, the better I like them. I've been using the Limerick bend ones that they have in stock at Swain's, but I'm going to see if they will order the Octopus style. Been working great on silvers this year. Have you been out to the Dungy yet?

~ Dr Pepper

I use both the vision and owner needle point with great success, No longer a gammy fan. Also like the Vision Swivels. Bay Street outfitters in Port Orchard used to carry the swivels but no longer does. Any Ideas where I can get some close or at Monty Square maybe......

Man I used those damn vision hooks and they suck JJ. I love those hooks for some reason I cant ever seem to bend them or dull the point well just my $.02
Dances out

Hey C1 I was just play around with Joe and he knows it those are the only hooks I ever use man they are great. So dont worry man it was all in fun and Joe knows it too so no hard feeling man.

[ 11-06-2001: Message edited by: danceswithfish ]

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"Man I used those damn vision hooks and they suck JJ. I love those hooks for some reason I cant ever seem to bend them or dull the point well just my $.02"

Ok so you say you dont like Vision hooks, I hope that that is a joke because they are the best hooks on the market and then some. Today Justin(Kidsauk) and myself were catching chum on 1/0 visons and could even bend them at all.
I have never had a point break off or dull.


I will sugest visions to anyone that I come in contact with.

FISH ON!!!

:p


[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: catcher1 ]

well that does it, if Catcher1 says Gami's are no good, I'm going to throw out my remaining Gami's and go get some of them Vision hooks. Dude, you sound like your kissin some major Kid Sauk butt.
I have to ask what you mean by "Gami's are no longer any good they are like a wife, they used to be cool but now they suck to have did they change how they make there hooks and I missed something. By the way kid, how many wife's have you had?

I have not had the opportunity to fish the vision hooks either, but, i am a diehard gami fisherman. How much do they cost for 100? Currently i get gami's from a wholesaler for 15.00 for 100. I will try to find some visions and try them, until then gamis are the only way to go...I have yet to have a gami break, worst case is that they bend, the only time this happened is when i was hung up anyways. My $.02.

That's the million dollar question Fishinfreak! I've been waiting for 5 days for a price. I get lots of testimonials and hype but no prices. The Gammies are more expensive probably. However, at this rate, I'll never know. At least I can go down to the store and actually get the Gammies when I want. This is getting ridiculous. I'm not sure that I even care anymore.

Vision hooks and swivels kick butt. Ive been using them for over a year now. I havent had any problems with them. I was one of the first guys in my area to start using them. Now everyone uses them.
There are not a lot of retailers carrying Vision. You guys need to start bugging your favorite tackle stores to carry Vision products.
My wifes store in Kalama carries Vision hooks and swivels. In fatc she needs to order some more, we are almost out.

Akkings you know you can pay a pile of money for
a fancy good product...and I'll be the first to admit that gami's are a good hook....or you can get the same service out of a reasonably priced good product that doesn't depend on glamour but simple functional quality and innovation. Glitzy colors and big money advertising campaigns made gami's what they are in the market....and they can charge big extra bucks for their product because most fisherman are easily caught by fancy makeup. I call it the "sucker" factor. Shoot there's been no diff between gami's in quality and all the less expensive copycat hooks such as Owner, VMC and Mustad. Just a price has been the diff. Visions steelhead/salmon hooks have some noted innovations that myself and some really hardcore steelhead fishermen have been always looking for in our hooks for years. Gami's and the other brands haven't recognized this but apparently these Vision guys have. Hey if they don't perform at least as well as the hooks with the heavy makeup and fancy clothes I'll be the first to bail on them....but I won't dis them on the way out. Finally...don't get any ideas that the Kids pimpin me either....don't work for the company...and alls I've gotten from him is my free sample of hooks & swivels.

Gooose

I like the Hooks but after hearing the word from Catcher. a 17 year old kid that has a track record of sh$#. What do you know about a good wife. Heck my kid has thrown back more fish than you have ever cought. But yes the Hook are are great.

It seems to me, that if your are happy with the product, in this case the hook, that you are using keep using them. If you aren't then try something else.

I have used Gammis, Owner, Mustad etc. and they work fine for me. I personally like Hayabusa hooks, which are a Japanese made hook that you can buy at Wal-Mart. I have never used Vision products, but I am sure they have their followers that feel they are the best product for their particular needs. I am also sure they have people that don't like them, and thats fine too. It is all a matter of what a person feels confident in.

I was with RT when he broke the two Vision swivels he mentioned. We all were a little skeptical on the quality of the swivels that day. As it turns out, the swivels RT was using were not rated for the type of fishing we were doing. I am sure they tested to the pound rating they were designed for, they were just too small for Chinook fishing. That is not a product problem, that is an application problem. The swivels RT was using looked smaller than anything I would have tried. It would be like using a size 4 hook and hooking a Chinook that bends or breaks the hook, and blaming the hook manufacturer. Kudos to RT for finding out the "Reel Truth" before blasting what I am sure are a very good quality swivel.

Reeltime. If you are not getting good customer service from a company, go elsewhere. Support companies with your dollars that you feel are taking care of business, whether that company is Vision, Gammi, Owner or VMC.

As for Gammi's advertising being the reason people love them, I don't buy that. They earned a good reputation by offering a good product. Give them some credit. If advertising was the main reason people bought fishing gear, I think we would all be using Maxima Perfection.

Just to clarify, Mustad cannot be described as a "copycat". Mustad has been around longer than most other hooks and are of excellent quality.

Furthermore, Mustads can be found in most tackle shops and they stand behind their products!
I cannot understand the fuss over a hook that you cannot find anywhere!
Good Luck!

[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: fishskagit.com ]

Drift boat-
All I was saying about the wife thing is from what I have heard. And maybe you have fished longer then me but that meens nothing now a days, but try telling BK that your better at fishing then him because your older and he will LAUGH at you.

Just my opinion.

My dad used to be able to kick your dad's butt but now he's happy just fishing instead of buttkicking.

..and one time, at band camp.....

ReelTime, Vision doesn't sell directly to the public and does not have an e-commerce site up yet. If you want Vision products, you'll have to go to a tackle store to buy them for now.

I'd suggest that if your local favorite tackle store does not carry Vision products for them to get in touch with Joe.

Hey BK, I'm a better fisherman then you because I'm older then you! I'm sure as heck a better fishermen then The Kid! SO there! Oh wait, but that means I'm not as good as Joe. Oh well, 2 outta 3 ain't bad!

My oh My,
All this started from a guy that just asked where he could find and BUY a particular brand of hook..
Why doesn`t someone just tell reeltime where they sell them?
I`ve never looked for them so I don`t know or I would be glad to help you out guy.

[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: rainycity ]

Ted's in Lynwood. Answered. (JK)

Actually, in ReelTime's defense, I went back and looked at all the replies. I compiled the results: From this thread, I've determined that:

You can call O.C. Fisherman's Marine just to find out they don't carry Vision products.

You can try going to Swain's in Sequim. No idea if they carry Vision or not.

You can email Joe but he may or may not be responding to email.

Apparently, no one wants to email Justin.

The Vision web site was mentioned, but it was learned that it's broken, doesn't have any useful information and won't get you any products.

Finally, I suggested Ted's, but that might be a long drive just for some hooks.

Ok, so ReelTime's questions was never really answered. I can't answer it, as I don't know who carries Vision products..other then Ted's. Just go to Ted's.

PS. I will be re-doing *ALL* of the www Vision stuff. Part of that will be a listing of tackle stores that carry Vision products. Sorry Reel Time, but that's on the backburner for now. We're in the process of changing over ISP's now. It's just one headache after the other.

So, to answer your original question, no, I have no idea where you can find a tackle store in your area that carries Vision Hooks & Tackle.

Parker

[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: parker ]

Just for the record.....
The 6 hooks I broke were 1/0 red octopus. 1 broke on a spring king on the Frasier river on 20 lb test leader, another broke on a Skokomish king on 15 lb test, 1 broke on a Cowlitz silver on 12 lb test and the other 3 I don't specifically remember where, but they were tied on 12 to 15lb leaders. OS, I am with you, how do you break a hook? Don't know, just know that out of the 100 I bought 6 broke. Out of all the tackle components, the last one I would expect to fail would be the hook, and then I would expect it to bend out as a last resort.
Within hours of my original post on this thread, I got a e-mail from Fishead5 asking for the details of how I was fishing to get some details and offering to send me another 100 hooks. I am willing to try another 100 Visions, but it was not my intention to get anything for free, just report my experience with Vision Hooks.

Wow, with the same last names and living in the Northwest, you two guys are probably married.

"I sent an email Saturday...blah blah blah"

Last time I checked, most business hours are Monday - Friday 8am - 5pm, and when I contact a business via email, especially with an inquiry, it has taken up to 5 business days for me to receive a response.

Since they are a "small Olympia-based company" I imagine the small number of employees they do have, probably have to multi-task like a mother******. And since it is a company that caters to a particular interest, they probably get many many many emails. I guess one of the most key attributes in fishing gets left at the river = PATIENCE

And since you went to the website, I guess you plainly saw on the mainpage as you entered the site that the freakin' thing is under construction. Duh.

Vision also puts out a ton of VOLUNTEER HOURS so don't even start your lip because I know I haven't seen you attend any of these functions.

.....momma take this badge from me...I can't use it anymore.....

'Yall,

I take it you have some sort of personal stake in Vision products and the website?

Business 101: When trying to build a customer base, or get a fledgling company up and running, The LAST thing you want to do is alienate any potential customers. Let the product stand on it's own merit. Resist the temptation to lash out at those with dissenting opinions. Learn from negative feedback. And finally, THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!