I'll buy that, Aunty. Bottom line is they are exercising their own free will. Victimized people do not. Someone who is robbed, assaulted or raped is victimized. Big difference.

Guys like TK, ISO, my dad, my father-in-law, etc., are of 1960's mentality, where women are expected to be submisive to man's sexual advances, and a woman that deviates from that and is outwardly sexual is deemed a threat to their masculinity. I'm guessing men like this NEED an oppresive perspective toward women to function in the bedroom.

Men/boys who are sexualized by porn are or were typically incapable of forming a normal sexual relationship with a female in their teenage years. Some were forced becaue of their looks or socical status. They continue this into adulthood. After marriage they are emotionally incapable of dealing with thier desires with their spouse so continue a fantasy life via porn and even prostitutes or extra marital affairs. Grown ups are able to relate their needs wants and desires to their partner or spouse in open and hoinest dialog and come to some forms of terms or agreement in a healthy relationship. Most marry the goody two shoes required by their paternal or maternal, societal reltionships but secretly desire the slut forbidden by thier upbringing or percieved stautus in their community. They cannot relate or resolve this conflict so they continue their childish habits. Viscous circle of justification and deception.

That makes some sence as does your previous statement, and I'll buy it in some cases, but not as a black and white end-all explaination. Same goes for my statements. The world is full of shades of grey, not black and white.

"Sol, if prostitution were legal and controlled, there would be fewer divorces and damn sure fewer serious "sex" crimes for losers that have no opportunity for normal sexual relations. Also, fewer visits to farm animals in Fall City or Enumclaw or wherever"

One needs to read up on what goes on where it is legal. BC, European nations, Nevada etc.

Perception is not reality.

I do not disagree.

Sal

"Most I know,myself included, feel that our religious upbringing toaught us sex was dirty."

That is an excuse for not thinking for yourself. You nor no one can show where the bible makes sex dirty or demeans womens sexuality. If you think you heard a minister say go jump off a cliff to test the theory of gravity would you have done it? Or would you have gone a looked into a little more before you made a final judgement and taken action? Seems it is appropraite to lay off negatives on the church and parents but all the good is ones own doing in this society.

I didn't have much religious indoctrination as a kid and have never thought of sex as being "dirty." And I have no problems with porn. If somebody gets off on porn, go for it! Who cares?

Same way with religion. I'm not superstitious myself, but if somebody gets off on religion, go for it! Just keep it private and don't inflict it on the rest of the world.

I do wonder what's going on when men have a need to share their porn with other men. I don't get it. Why would a guy want to show his porn to other guys?

Even better if it is an excuse that everyone will buy off on. Just because most people buy off on it does not make it valid. I think the law holds that ignorance is no excuse for a reason. It is not!

Excuse for what?

Sex is not morally wrong in the bible murder is. Its not hard to look it up and verify it. I bet there are more bibles around than science books or books on law. But it's easier to go with the excuse "it's what I was taught." I bet most did not buy into the lie that jerking off would make you go blind. Seems convenient to debunk one teaching out of hand(pun intended) and hold onto the other for a large portion of your life. Not if the intent is to pander to the bible bashing crowd.

I am also a recovering Catholic and still have feelings of rejection because none of the priests tried to molest me.

"All subject to interpretation"

Look it up first before you use an excuse backed up by another excuse for ignorance.

In no case does this type of excuse fly except in the case of bashing religon or the bible.

TK, I'm glad to hear that you are liberated enough to accept "interpretation" as "flying" for bashing "religon" (whatever that is) and the bible. I thought you were a big time Christian, the bible as the inerrant word of God (whatever that is) and all that.

New International Version? What the hell! If the King James version was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me!

My feet are getting hot then.

," don't try to change FACTS to support your game. Many hundreds of years and many thousands of interpretations have concluded that almost all types of sex is a sin. The Puritans thought so and the Shakers sure as hell did too. Much of that mentality in Christianity remains.
"

Compounding ignorance is not benficial like compounding interest but you treat it as such.

This will help you out from under the weight of that ignorance and the hate it breeds.


http://www.ldolphin.org/relationships.html

I'm starting to get the dark side slant here: Tk is the self proclaimed expert on everything. He is always right and everyone else is always wrong. He backs up his logic by siting interpreted sources spun to suit his purpose. He shows all the signs of someone who was mentally and physically abused as a child and adolesent. Scorned by his peers, he turned to mom who emotionally blackmaled him for her affection.

You've got everyone else figured out, TK, here's my take on you. Your mom jerked you off at bathtime growing up and to this day you still have fantasys about fu*%ing her. You're belief in God and an afterlife is the only thing that keeps you from putting a bullit in your head because your pathetic existence here on earth is ****. You are a pioneer type and think most people are
dickheads. You are quick to reprimand, impatient and full of advice. You do nothing but piss-off everyone you come in contact with. You have a wild imagination and often think you are being
followed by the FBI or CIA. You have minor influence on your family and people resent you for flaunting your percieved power. You lack confidence and are a general dip****. You are the logical type and hate disorder. Your sh%t-picking attitude is sickening to your co-workers. You are cold and unemotional and often fall asleep while fu*%ing your wife pretending she's your mother. You have a reckless tendency to rely on your luck since you have no talent. You lie a great deal and you make the same mistakes repeatedly because you are stupid.

Call me what you will, but you and your ministry of misguided minds are destined for obscurity, because when you finally kill yourself the only thing people will remember about you is that you were a jackass.

SOL,you sound like you need a hug today maybe you can call the daycare and pay one of the minimum wages workers to hug your kids as a substitute.

Sol, nice name, source of planetary life.
Nice fish.
Nice face.
content sucks: Tiresome personal attack as usual.

As does the subject. Just calling like I see them.

Analyze you, Aunty. You're easy: A woman with a heart of gold who was cheated in the looks department by your gene pool. By your own admission BTW. Don't get pissed, I love ya. Just givin' it back to ya.