I can't beleive it took this long for the neocons to attack his record.

"Authentic war heroes (including McCain) often play down their own heroism. In any event, what we know about Murtha, McCain, Kerry and, yes, Bailey, is that they served in combat in Vietnam. What we know about Bush and Vice President Cheney ("I had other priorities in the '60s than military service'') is that they didn't."

"What's maddening here is the unblushing hypocrisy of the right wing and the way it circulates -- usually through Web sites or talk radio -- personal vilification to abort honest political debate."

And as they say "the rest of the story"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/16/AR2006011600913.html

Their antics are despicable. Every time a veteran dares to challenge their group think they attack his record. Yet damn few of them ever wore a uniform. It is the definition of hypocrisy!

Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.
1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments.
Entered draft but received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.

Republicans
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.

"Their antics are despicable. Every time a veteran dares to challenge their group think they attack his record. Yet damn few of them ever wore a uniform. It is the definition of hypocrisy!"

So attacking the president and challenging his record when you yourself have never been president is not the definition of hypocrisy?

So by your definition how can you challenge anything you yourself have not done? Or is the military a sacred cow?

Great post, Dave!

As for TK: did not serve

I served in Viet Nam and I think the current CIC and his monkeyhumpers don't really care what happens as long as their agenda is followed. Period. If anyone disagrees with them they attack and don't let the truth get in the way.
Keep drinking the koolaid, tk. If you had enough fortitude to follow the members of your family into the military, you might have something to listen to but as it stands now you are the same as every other chickenhawk.

It works like this. You ladies don't get to say when where why or how others exercise their right to free speech. No one cares what you think. You are little people with even smaller minds. Get over yourselves.

Perfect diagnosis, Dr. Aunty.

Got to admit I feel kinda sorry for good old TK, losing his cool and making a post like that.

You know I made the mistake for feeling "sorry " for tk once, I'll never do that again. He brings nothing to the discussion worth debate. He is a "company man" and so tows the company line. Repeat the mantra long enough and you begin to beleive it. Right tk? You believe the crap you post don't you? Either no truth or half truths wrapped in a lie to "frame" the discussion. Then when he gets called out on it he responds with name calling and pouts. Right Monkey Humper?

I don't think he ever had any cool. He's the always picked on in school type.

So, when will the attacks on Colin Powell start?
WMD speech 'lowest point in my life'
Questions bypassing court on eavesdropping.
Flat out got it wrong with Iraq.

I heard Colin Powell speak the other night on the BBC and he stood up for the adminstration on its decision to go into Iraq but they did so on flawed intelligence (brought to you by Bushco).
He did so when the interviewer asked him if he was going to apologize to the world for lying about the reasons for going to war in Iraq when he addressed the U.N.
He now has to defend the adminstration because he is cupable also. To admit anything else would also cast himself in a bad light

Colin Powell is the ultimate company man. If he says anything against the company now it's to make himself look good. If Dumbya & Co had 60% approval ratings, Colin Powell would be right out there touting the company line.

More on the story from the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/18/opinion/18webb.html?th&emc=th

"The political tactic of playing up the soldiers on the battlefield while tearing down the reputations of veterans who oppose them could eventually cost the Republicans dearly. It may be one reason that a preponderance of the Iraq war veterans who thus far have decided to run for office are doing so as Democrats.

A young American now serving in Iraq might rightly wonder whether his or her service will be deliberately misconstrued 20 years from now, in the next rendition of politically motivated spinmeisters who never had the courage to step forward and put their own lives on the line.

"Any questions about my diagnosis now? "
I think your diagonsis is right on the money.

Typical of the mentally diseased (by his own admission of extensive counseling) neocon. Our freedom of speech is a legal matter; no one here is trying to deny that to anyone. Slander and character assasination for political gain are moral issues. Anyone not finding it morally repugnant that the GOP's ambition is to "Swiftboat" every dissenter has severe sociopathic tendencies.

Since Napoleon's already in professional care, I suggest he continues treatment and perhaps investigate institutionalization for long term care and protection from himself.

Wow. That was like using for steelhead. They never stood a chance.

Hey TK, doesn't it ever get boring knowing that you can easily troll in a fleet of phish at your whim? You don't even need bait. Just some semi-flashy stuff and they come a runnin'!

I'm pretty sure TK really stands for Trolling King.

TK is Da Man!

Parker, that looks so nice and juicy. If you could get a little pendulum action into the pic I'd be hypnotized.

Sheesh, if that's his attempt at trolling ... what a cracker.

All he succeeds in doing is have his quarry slap him up'side the head and make him look like an idiot.

Parker :-)

Whether fish, game or fowl or liberals TheKing knows how to lure them in.

BTW I was on the NFL yesterday. Nice color a little high,. Kicking out fish. Caught one that was torn to [Bleeeeep!] by a net. Wonder were that happened?

You girls love attacking anyone who does not agree with you but when the tables are turned you cry like the little Puzzies you show your selves to be. Maybe you can all get together pound on a drum sing some negro spiritals and have a candle light vigil.