#177805 - 10/08/06 11:21 AM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
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Loc: Tacoma
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Well said Slab Happy. I don't expect to convert anyone through this, but do expect to learn something. Hey, I learned a little bit about entropy and the bible already. Over the years I have learned a lot more by being stupid and arguing then I ever have from an arguement I won. I am sure I drive a lot of people I work with nuts, but most of the break throughs I have had have been from asking why. Twenty times in the row I will be given a hastily answer. Sometimes I walk away satisfied. But, sometimes, on the 21st time the answer comes back at well, in that case you could do this or I don't know why that is that way. After years of doing this, I have uncovered a few gems that have paid off well. I don't ever claim to know as much as an expert on any of these things. I only take what little I do understand and look at it in a different way then most people.
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#177806 - 10/08/06 01:27 PM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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Spawner
Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
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vocabulary for the weak:
enthalpy, the measure of the energy content of a system in relation to it's mass.
The definition can mislead in that big and heavy doesn't necessarily have more energy unless you render it. lol
entropy: 1, a thermodynamic measure of the amount of energy unavailable for useful work in a system undergoing change.
2, a measure of the degree of disorder in a substance or system: entropy always increases and available energy always diminishes in a closed system, the universe for example.
3, in information theory, the measure of the information content of a message vs the veracity of the source.
Obviously both terms have political currency. lol
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#177807 - 10/08/06 06:37 PM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13511
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Slab,
Faith is regarded as "knowing" with what is often termed "visceral" knowledge or belief, meaning it's emotional, rather than rational or logical in its substantiation. So faith is a style of knowing, but in science its basis or substantiation is considered far weaker than logical knowledge.
Krijack,
I believe in gravity, the first and second laws of thermodynamics, enthalpy, entropy, and chaos theory, in about that order. The funny thing is that in that range, science and theology usually cross paths.
Sard,
I've never before seen that 3rd definition of entropy. If true, that's so funny, and no doubt applicable.
Sincerely,
Salmo g.
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#177808 - 10/09/06 11:23 AM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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Spawner
Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
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Salmo G,
Source. Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language. 2nd College Edition. I did not use definitions verbatim, however, close enough for accuracy and comprehension.
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#177809 - 10/10/06 06:40 PM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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Returning Adult
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 247
Loc: Columbia City
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Here's the abrieviated version:
The gap between early molecular evolution and the origin of the first cell may have been bridged by a photoheterotrophic obcell, consisting of genes and ribosomes attached to the outer surface of a phospholipid vesicle containing a light-driven proton pump and a proton-driven pyrophosphate synthase. I argue that the obcell was the substratum for the origin of DNA replication; DNA segregation by the growth and division of the peptidoglycan murein; periplasmic solute-binding proteins; bioenergetics, including the F0F1 proton-driven ATP synthase; active transport of calcium; and facilitated diffusion of nutrients across membranes, and that it played the major role in the replacement of ribozymes by protein catalysts. Curved growth of the peptidoglycan and a mutation causing septum formation produced the first true cell. Evolution of porins, sodium extrusion and potassium import, conversion of the facilitated diffusion proteins to active pumps, and the evolution of intermediary metabolism, carbon and nitrogen fixation, and of substrate level phosphorylation, completed the origin of the first negibacterial eubacterium, from which all other cells evolved, and from which they have inherited most of their major catalytic properties--with the notable exceptions of reverse transcriptase, RNA splicing, and methanogenesis, all of which I believe evolved very much later.
Yah sure, you betcha! These friggin geniuses can tell you how it happened but no one has been able to duplicate it with all the modern science available.  If you want to believe that, fine! That takes real faith. If you want to wait up for Santy Claus you might see him too! 
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#177810 - 10/11/06 06:41 PM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 7477
Loc: Poulsbo
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#177812 - 10/11/06 10:38 PM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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Parr
Registered: 07/24/06
Posts: 56
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KK thinks you have to listen to him Jhook he is in the we run PP club. He thinks you have to do what he says or face a piling on from his buddies. If it were me I would tell him to STFU and go play with himself like the rest of the liberal cowards. But hey thats just me. 
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#177813 - 10/11/06 10:49 PM
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Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 247
Loc: Columbia City
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For this reason I have no use for god, jesus, religion or what have you, and I have little use for people of faith KK You obviously cannot tell sarcasm from hate. Quick, tell me. Is the above statement full of sarcasm or hate? It's obvious to me, no amount of calm, intelligent discourse would be of any value to someone who believes that statement.So please don't lecture me about my attitude. OK?
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#177815 - 10/13/06 07:12 PM
Re: Brainwashing at summer camp
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Returning Adult
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 247
Loc: Columbia City
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Angler # 5009
posted 10-12-2006 12:31 AM
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Jhook:
I'll pass on your suggestion, if you don't mind.
I'll lecture you, or whoever else I feel like, whenever I feel like it, in whatever manner I feel like doing so. There is nothing you, or anyone else is going to do about that, understand ?
Am I being too obtuse here?
If you'd have been around here for longer than 19 posts , you'd know that to be a fact. Am I supposed to be impressed or frightened? Suffice it to say I am neither. I suppose the amount of posts is somehow equal to ones stature here? Sorry I don't see it that way but if it makes you feel better, Ride on!
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