#178695 - 11/01/06 07:22 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 09/11/03
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While Some Democrats Cancel Fundraising Events with Kerry, Cantwell Remains “Silent” on Kerry’s Remarks and Money Raised at Seattle Event
Seattle – While numerous Democrats distance themselves from Sen. John Kerry’s remarks about the troops in Iraq and cancel fundraising events, Sen. Maria Cantwell continues her silence over Kerry’s derogatory comments and counts campaign cash raised at yesterday’s Seattle event with Kerry. “Senator Cantwell’s silence is deafening,” said Washington State Republican Party Chairman Diane Tebelius. “Her response to all this is to count the money and go hide.” “Hillary Clinton says John Kerry’s remarks were ‘inappropriate,’ while Maria Cantwell remains silent,” said Tebelius. “In Tennessee Democrat Senate candidate Harold Ford, Jr. calls on John Kerry to apologize, while Maria Cantwell remains silent. In Montana Democrat Senate candidate Jon Tester says Kerry ‘owes our troops and their families an apology – while Maria Cantwell remains silent.” In contrast national outrage by Republican leaders and Senate candidate Mike McGavick has been swift and clear on the issue – John Kerry owes an apology to our brave men and women in uniform fighting terrorism in Iraq. “Maria Cantwell should have done the right thing and cancelled her fundraising appearance with John Kerry on Tuesday in Seattle,” said Tebelius. “Instead, she took the cash, and hid behind her campaign staff.” Tebelius said that a number of Democrat candidates had cancelled fundraising events with Kerry; including Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Bob Casey, congressional candidate Bruce Braley in Iowa, and congressional candidate Tim Walz in Minnesota. You may view the comments on YouTube.com at the following link, or access NBC news video at the following link: (NBC 4's Website, www.nbc4.tv < http://www.nbc4.tv/video/10195506/index.html> Accessed 10/31/06) Click here to watch Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) belittle U.S. troops: < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o> “Apparently, John Kerry thinks our men and women in uniform fighting in Iraq are uneducated losers and Maria Cantwell stands by Kerry’s side to fill her campaign coffers and says nothing,” Tebelius said
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#178696 - 11/01/06 07:31 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/08/00
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Loc: IDAHO
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[/QUOTE] At what point do you think it's OK to stereotype our soldiers? Do you realize Kerry was WRONG? Your average soldier scores higher on tests than your average civilian of the same age.[/QUOTE]
Don't buy into the spin Aunty.. He happened to be talking about the mental midget in the white house and could have worded it better. He was only stereotyping one person, not the armed forces as a whole.
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#178697 - 11/01/06 07:35 PM
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Parr
Registered: 07/24/06
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So who was he taking about when he said our soldiers were terrorizing Iraqi citizens or when he came back from Vietnam and said they were all comitting war crimes etc etc. How about his voting record re the military? It may be a blunder when you do it once but when it becomes a pattern it is much more.
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#178699 - 11/01/06 08:08 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2744
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In the context of the speech it is obvious he is talking about Bush and not the average soldier. Kerry should apologize, but anybody who gets their panties bunched up in their butt over this has a great big red button on their forehead that says "Push Me".
I prefer to focus on the fact that the Conservatives have held both houses of Congress, and the excutive branch, and now the Supreme Court, and have done nothing except get us stuck in a war that has no end, imprison and torture hundreds if not thousands without even the benefit of a kangaroo court, cut and burn the civil liberties of American citizens, hand over the environment to corporate hogs, and run up the largest deficits in history. I could go on and on, but the scoreboard should be visible to anybody watching the game.
If people are willing to let this keep happening because Kerry said if your a C student you'll end up stuck in Iraq, maybe we'll really deserve the politicians we elect.
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#178700 - 11/01/06 08:08 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
Registered: 03/07/99
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Except Kerry served. That makes him nothing like Bush. But yes, he IS a pompous and arrogant ass.......one that should really keep his yap shut.
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#178701 - 11/01/06 08:31 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 07/02/03
Posts: 622
Loc: Olympia
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What civil liberty have you lost Vhawk?
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#178703 - 11/01/06 08:33 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 05/02/04
Posts: 384
Loc: Portland
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VHawk, excellent post.
The thing that riles me is that any fool who would take the time to read the text of the speech should be able to understand the reference. How many hear listened to or read the speech? Judging from the posts very few as the rhetoric wreaks of something similar to what we can hear over the airwaves 24/7! To many opinions from the right are forced fed crap! Fries with that?
Funny Iraq picture. That alone indicates to me Kerry ought to apologise to the troops, he owes no one else an apology. I wonder how much it cost the Evil Genius (Rove)?
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#178704 - 11/01/06 08:35 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
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What civil liberty have you lost Vhawk? Sincerely, White folks in the days of slavery.
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#178705 - 11/01/06 08:43 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 05/02/04
Posts: 384
Loc: Portland
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Not hard to see how warrantless domestic surveillance is an infringement on everyone's civil liberties. But hey, it's just domestic surveillance... Who needs a warrant?
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#178706 - 11/01/06 10:13 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What civil liberty have you lost Vhawk?
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... chuckled Jose Padilla.
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#178707 - 11/02/06 12:19 AM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 08/26/04
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The Constitution of the United States of America Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. In spite of the Supreme Courts recent rulings on warrantless searches, the GOP plods ahead with more winners. Here's from a recent action alert: At the urging of President Bush and Karl Rove, Congress is poised to try to rush through legislation that would pardon the president and authorize more warrantless spying on Americans than has ever been approved in US history. The terrible Cheney-Specter proposal has morphed into an even worse proposal by outgoing Senator Frist and the White House (S. 3931) that would ratify the president’s claim of inherent, exclusive power to set government spies loose on your phone calls and emails at will, without any individualized warrant or independent check. The bill would unloose the NSA to vacuum up the conversations of American residents and businesses without warrants if the location of everyone on a call or email is not known to be in the US. It would allow the Attorney General to compel, and pay-off, companies to give access to your phone conversations, e-mails and stored communications without any judicial check as long as the Executive branch claims -- to itself -- that it is looking for foreign intelligence. But there would be no requirement that a court be given any reason to believe an American were aiding terrorists before their spoken and written thoughts could be seized by the NSA and disseminated throughout the government. In the House, the Wilson Bill (H.R. 5825) as re-written by the White House makes virtually identical changes to the law to allow the president to secretly search Americans’ homes, businesses, conversations and e-mails without warrants. Make no mistake about it: these White House-crafted bills would allow the NSA program to spy on Americans to continue without warrants and authorized even more warrantless surveillance of American residents than the president has even admitted. These bills are designed to legalize the president's illegal wiretapping and evade the requirements of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. VHawk
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#178709 - 11/02/06 05:30 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 1459
Loc: Third stone from the sun
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Originally posted by B-RUN STEELY: Don't buy into the spin Aunty... He was only stereotyping one person, not the armed forces as a whole. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kerry's '72 Army Comments Mirror LatestNov 02 2:03 PM US/Eastern By JOHN SOLOMON Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON During a Vietnam-era run for Congress three decades ago, John Kerry said he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the perpetuation of war crimes." Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran who turned against the war, made the observations in answers to a 1972 candidate questionnaire from a Massachusetts peace group. After Kerry caused a firestorm this week with what he termed a botched campaign joke that Republicans said insulted current soldiers, The Associated Press was alerted to the historical comments by a former law enforcement official who monitored 1970s anti-war activities Kerry apologized Wednesday for the 2006 campaign trail gaffe that some took as suggesting U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq were undereducated. He contended the remark was aimed at Bush, not the soldiers. In 1972, as he ran for the House, he was less apologetic in his comments about the merits of a volunteer army. He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army "a greater anathema." "I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown," Kerry wrote. "We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply 'doing its job.' "Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities," he wrote. Kerry's spokesman, David Wade, said Wednesday the historical document needed to be viewed in the era in which it was written but that it nonetheless raised a "bedrock question in a time of war when sacrifice should be shared by all Americans." "These are the words 34 years ago of a 28-year-old veteran home from a war gone wrong, wondering who in America will bear the cost of battle and shoulder the responsibility of military service," Wade said. Kerry filled out the candidate questionnaire at the request of Massachusetts Political Action for Peace, an anti-war group that decades later turned over its historical documents to university researchers. AP obtained the document from someone who gathered it from archives during Kerry's unsuccessful 2004 presidential campaign against President Bush. Republicans in that election relentlessly assailed Kerry's role in the anti-war movement decades earlier. Kerry and Bush renewed their rivalry again this week, with the president accusing Kerry of offending troops. Kerry said he botched the text of a joke and didn't mean to insult troops. On Wednesday, Kerry canceled campaign appearance on behalf of Democratic congressional candidates and issued an apology.
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#178711 - 11/02/06 05:51 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 1832
Loc: Kitsap Peninsula
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I'm a Viet Nam Vet and Kerry's remarks were stupid but didn't insult me. The best thing Kerry could do is shut his pie hole. The repugnets finally have something to deflect anyone from looking at jr. bush and his cabals screw ups and making the most of it. Even bringing up things that Kerry did 34 years ago shows just how desparate these freaks are. Rory - you should be embarrassed. Is this the best the repugnets can come up with? Very sad that people like Rory even bother to come here and post it. Talk about grasping at straws. Anybody that thinks jr. bush even has an original thought should seek couseling. I'd be surprised if his handlers even let him pinch a loaf without help.
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#178712 - 11/02/06 06:55 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/17/06
Posts: 930
Loc: Olympia
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Then again, we do live in a country where as much as 80% truly and deeply still believe in witchcraft and angels...
Rory, Will your Guardian Angel protect you if my wife puts a hex on you?
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#178714 - 11/02/06 07:40 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
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Tee hee, I do enjoy your posts KK, your flavor of smoke is tantalizing. Thank you. Guess I'll have to behave, for a little bit at least. What does a yard surgeon do when the snow flies? It has been snowing here for the last 3 hours, ground is white, street just wet. If the temperature drops, as it will, the roads will be skating rinks. I have moved about 10cubic yards of leaves from the yard to the garden. Buried the garlic under them, and most of the other things that might need a bit of protection. Hell with global warming and all maybe I shouldn't worry about things freezing. Oops didn't mean to be diversive.
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#178716 - 11/02/06 08:19 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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Sard: I tried to send you a PM but couldn't. Off topic, but be sure to remove all mulch from your garlic in the spring. Last year I had a "brainstorm" and put a good deal of mulch around about 1/2 my garlic. Thank God I only did 1/2 because that half all rotted. I guess garlic doesn't like mulch in the growing season.
As for global warming I was able to grow eggplant peppers and long season tomatoes this summer. They all grew great with my new secret fertilizer. I shredded the Bush/Rove talking points, and used them for mulch So much BS they grew like weeds.
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#178718 - 11/02/06 10:25 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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Let's plan on it. Maybe we can mathc that 17 fish day you had last year. You remember, the day after we fished together!!!
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#178719 - 11/03/06 12:14 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
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Don't know for sure but I suspect you fellows live in a much wetter area than I do. Even so. I remove the mulch from the garlic in quite early spring. As you say, gotta let it be dry enough not to mold. Don't know why the PM thingy don't work. ?? Works on that other site. lol
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#178720 - 11/03/06 12:15 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
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KK I would have thought that you would get a longer reprieve to fish. But then again your main target area has milder winters than Spokane I suspect.
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#178721 - 11/03/06 12:21 AM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 1832
Loc: Kitsap Peninsula
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Garlic is a better topic than that frickin' Kerry. Just like fun - I've never had too much garlic.
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