I thought this was northwest fishing board i must of hit the wrong key sorry for interupting

Timberman, you are getting pretty heated, you better slow down, take a deep breath and count to 10. Oop, sorry, let me help you:
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This could take a while to get to 10...

BTW, Clinton did take over an economy that was on the rebound, but it wasn't from Reaganomics. President Bush Senior gets credit for that. I find it sad that the Republicans treated him like a red-headed stepchild. President Bush made the very difficult decision of going against the Republican king-makers and raised taxes. He had the economy that was in a severe downturn due the massive federal deficits and made the decision that he knew would probably cost him the election. That was true courage which his son, and Clinton, lack.

The economy is something every outdoorsman should be worried about. We are now at record deficit spending and that is not counting on the massive tax cut and the pending war in Iraq. Already something like 20 cents out of every dollar the government spends is just for the interest on the national debt. Just think how big the interest payment will be after the war and Bush's tax cut? We will then be told the only way out is to sell the BLM and Forest Service lands.

That is not left-wing propaganda, the sagebrush rebellion in the '70's was real. In the 90's they floated the idea of transfering the lands to the state where it would be much easier to sell. I have read opinions from the far-right that state that it is against the U.S. Constitution for the United States to own more land than what the federal buildings are on. I've read the Consititution and don't see that but then I'm just a simple engineer and can only read what is on paper, and not get the the minds of the founding fathers like the lawyers with an agenda. If you hunt and fish on federal land, you should be concerned.

I should thank you, Timberman, you do prove my point; Both the democrats and the republicans want you to believe their answers are the only answers and you have to take the whole package. Something to ask yourself is whether if you believe the entire party line, be it democrate or republican. If you have difficulty finding a disagreement with your party, then maybe you have been brainwashed. Because I disagreed with Bush on the economy, you thought I was a Clinton supporter...back to that 1, not 1 counting. If you must know, I supported John McCain. After he lost, I kinda lost interest. I did make a prediction that is now true. Before the election I said that if Bush was elected we would be back in massive deficit spending in 2 years.

I have considered starting my own polictical party: The Dead Skunk Party. I want to call it that from the Rush Limbaugh line "The only thing in the middle of the road is yellow lines and dead skunks". Of course it would take away from my fishing time so I just write letters to my elected officials.

Your fearless leader GW Bush is a coward and a liar, have a look at his service records during vietnam. Funny hes so pumped about sending our young troops off to war, to do something he would surely never do himself. For all you who are so gung ho why dont you go enlist or reenlist in the marines and lead the charge? One more thing I think that anyone who goose steps along with EITHER political party is rather foolish.
GW Bush & Vietnam

SH,
On the point that we live in a dangerous world we can definately agree. I fear for the future generations and the trials they face.

Social security was used by the Clinton admin. for what?...

Thats good ynotfish coming from a demo web page

Well Im sure the pubs wouldnt say it. Are you saying its not true TM?

I hate war, and I hate politics just about as much. Yeah, I'm convinced that we have to do something about Saddam, but maybe let's just start by standing back and shooting the hell out of all those offensive things that CP was showing us on the sattelite photos. Start taking out trucks and trains too. Just don't waste one American life on that jerk.

I like to fish, let's talk about that.

The Clinton Legacy! Predicting the future reputation of any president is a difficult business. A consensus is bound to develop concerning an ex-president and William Jefferson Clinton is no exception.

One thing often considered when an ex-president?s legacy is forming is......the wisdom gained by the man during his term or terms of office. How this wisdom is manifested when that president ends his term of power. What kind of an elderly statesman will the ex-president make? How will he continue to contribute to the American people who trusted him as their leader.

A president?s demeanor, particularly at the end of his term, is considered. Sometimes, as in the case of George Washington his final speech to the nation stands out. The final ?military-industrial complex speech of president Eisenhower comes to mind. In the case of president Franklin D. Roosevelt?s we were locked in a two front war and things were happening fast. FDR?s health was failing and he was a sick man during his last years in office. On the other hand you have ex-presidents like Calvin Coolidge who were not notable in retrospect before, during or after his term in office. .

The exit of Richard Nixon looks good compared to the exit of William Jefferson Clinton. William Jefferson Clinton exit from the presidency reminds me more of Warren Harding if not worse.

Only time and history will record Clinton?s legacy. But I am sure down deep Bill Clinton must have some very very deep regrets. If not now....as he ages he certainly will. It is tragic! Because of his self centered personality there were so many lost opportunities. Great opportunities for America were wasted by William Jefferson Clinton particularly in the dealing of foreign affairs. . I could not imagine a worse exit to power than that forced on this great nation by Bill Clinton. His actions were not worthy of the office of the presidency......or of our great country.

When the history books are written.....I fear It will be difficult for the students of the next century to comprehend the mind set and actions of this man. For that matter it will be difficult for them to comprehend the mind set of the people of the United States who elected him and reelected him to his period of power.

I wonder where the $277 billion a year went from military money Clinton sure didn't spend that much yet $277 billion was taken and a few billion were unaccounted for every year hmmmmmmm!

Plagiarism is a terrible thing. If you're going to have a thought, try to make it original.

Okay, I'm going to have to invoke the Discussion Board rule of Post Link Or STFU. Since you were pulling facts out of thin air before, we need some sort proof citation before you are remotely believable.

Okay, enough with the diatribes against Clinton, Timber. We get the point that you hate him, but those feelings are not really germane to the topic at hand.

Besides, your tin-foil hat style rants about him don't particularly anger or offend me since I didn't generally support him. I just want you to make sure you have your facts straight. :p

Just for the record for anyone flaming me, I am not a Democrat OR a Republican. I am a registered independent - and I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

I see Saddam Hussein and his close leaders having meetings on t.v. all the time. Seems like they could drop 50 cruise missles on one of his meetings and be done with it.

A victory in Iraq has the possibility to open Pandora's box. There's really no telling what my be unleashed in the U.S., or no way to determine if a strike would increase terrorism.

Ever think about how crazy this all is--- anthrax, terrorism etc in the United States?? AMericans have for the most part been immune to the struggles other nations have had around th world. It hits hard when it occurs at home.

I think we'd hit one of those meetings in a minute if we could. Problem is, he knows it. I doubt there's an Iraqi CNN truck parked outside that we could use as a beacon. That's one of the reasons for the 70 some presidential palaces. He's got a lot of thought and money put into his personal security.

I kind of enjoyed O'Reilys Rant last night. Here it is. I suppose some of you proabably aren't tuned into Fox.

O\'Reillys Talking Points

Should we learn from history?

Does anyone here remember a Dictator (of a oil producing country) that was tied to terrorism worldwide, that made terrorist attacks against the US and several of our allies?

Mu'ammar al-Quadhafi

You know that a previous “moron cowboy” President (according to the Democrats), who was going to start WW III (again according to the Democrats) sent a message to Mu'ammar! You kill Americans with your cowardace terrorist attacks and we will come for you and your family!

Now, it has been a long time since (1986) we have heard from or about that Dictator! Do you suppose that he heard the message?

One other thing nobody can say that the US or our military have not been attacked without provokation… Do you remember the USS Stark (1987) and the death of 37 US Servicemen?

Maybe we should have used the same message on Saddam?

Goharley, you misqouted me i said "anti-threat of war protesters "as we are not at war yet.I do believe that most people want peace me included. My point is this , if hussein complies is war not diverted? Is it not all about that and not all about bush the warmonger.I do not hold ill will toward the protsters at all but there are a few holding "bush knew" signs referring to 9/11 which makes one wonder of somes motives,not all but some.And if i were protesting on a sreet corner i wouldnt be among people holding such signs.Personally korea is scarier to me than iraq at the moment.

Didnt mean to sound nit picky on previous post. The party line politics sucks but fishing dosent. :p

I think the "Bush Knew" signs are over the top. There is certainly reason to take our security forces to task for having not responded to data that we had, but it's overstating the case to say that we, or the president in particular, knew that this type of attack was impending. The sad fact is that our people were human, and they screwed up. The first one of us who has never screwed up, please stand up, now.

I sure wish we could detune the political attacks from both sides of the spectrum back to a productive level. Sometimes I feel like we hate each other more than Al Qaeda hates us.