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#192889 - 04/04/03 12:53 AM Re: Bleeding fish?
Bob Offline

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Registered: 03/05/99
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Loc: Forks, WA & Soldotna, AK
assalyanizim ... this day in age with a number of the region's best taxidermists offering top-notch reproductions for wild steelhead, the old phrase of "But I'm gonna mount it" doesn't cut it as an excuse to harvest one. In fact, it's all the more reason it should have been let go in my book. See that fish up top on the page ... a gorgeous 43" buck that swam away, yet still made a magnificent coffee table mount.

Yes, I have one steelie on the wall that I had mounted about ten years ago. Had I known then that reproductions would become common in future years ... I would have let that fish go as well. There is no longer the need to harvest a wild steelhead to get that mount that many anglers wish to have.

MB ... As I mentioned, sometimes not matter what you do, there are going to be instances where no matter how careful you are, things aren't going to go the fish's way. But some things anglers can do to help limit mortality:

Ahead of time, your gear ...

1) Fish with selective gear types. No bait, no barbs. Only thing I see in everyday use that I would do when rules allow would be to run a single barbless treble on plugs rather than a large siwash. In my observations, there seems to be less damage.
2) If you fish bait, use it wisely. No divers, no tiny baits, no tiny hooks, no double hook rigs.
3) No light lining, keep drags firm.

While fishing ...
1) Set the hook promptly on all strikes, no "feeding" the fish or waiting for lots of weight.
2) Anything drfited from a MOVING boat should be behind the boat ... this allows hookset to be instant. Offerings in front of MOVING boat mean line goes slack on bite and often is no different than running a diver.
3) Avoid "spawner" water. Know your water and avoid areas where post spawn fish stack up. I know of a number of guides who like to beat on these fish to pad numbers. However, these fish will be actively feeding again and often swallow whatever you put in front of them. These are some of our most important members of a steelhead population ... with the average repeat female being 30% more fecund than a first-time spawner.
4) Avoid actively spawning fish and do not drag anchor to slow your drift. You should either have anchor all the way up, or firmly planted. And not only in late steelhead season, remember that you're often going through salmon spawning areas in early steelhead season and those beds should be respected as well.

Playing your fish ...

1) As I mentioned, no light lines, firm drags.
2) If you see any blood during fight, row to fish and end it ASAP.
3) Look for your landing spots before the moment arrives.
4) In rivers such as the 'Duc or other streams w/o any gravel, consider the use of C&R net (lots of threads on these). Ends fight quicker, avoids flopping around big rocks along edges that are common on our streams.
5) Remove hook when possible ... don't pull the brab leader and snap it off trick that I seem to see more often. If hooked deeply, cut it off.
6) Have partner get camera out while you're playing fish if you want a picture ... don't wait until the very moment of the picture.

After fish landed ...

1) No fish in boat, period! I'd guess that even with an expereinced angler, about 1 in five squirms from grip sometime during a picture session ... let them land harmlessly in the water, not in the bottom of a boat!
2) See 6 above ... do not sit there with fish out of water while you fumble for / turn on cameras. If you want a pic, plan ahead! Treat fish out of water as you'd like to be treated underwater ... not very long!
3) Don't move fish back and forth in current to revive ... hold head upstream and that's it. If you did well on everything above, there should be little / no reviving necessary.
4) If you do need to let the fish regain it's balance, do it in clean water ... if you muddied some up, move the fish into cleaner water.

While I'm sure I missed some ... there's some quick thoughts from me smile
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#192890 - 04/04/03 06:17 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
BOB:
Thanks for the reply. but I still feil that the fish I cought it was cool to keep. was a third year spawner, That from my under standing by talking with Tom it was its last year, so I dont feil bad at all it droped and will bring me lots of joy. but I also do beleive that Skin mounts prove so much more. whith computers to day I can take that same fish you cought put my face in it and what dont show? nothin gues we will dis agree on this but hay. I respect how yopu feil and your opinion.
ASSY

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#192891 - 04/04/03 08:52 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Wild Chrome Offline
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Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 640
Loc: The Tailout
I've had one fish mounted...an 8 pound largemouth bass. When I got it back, the girth was not as impressive as it was on the fish when I took it to the taxidermist. He informed me that in the drying process the skin shrinks. He had actually pulled a little of the "other" side to make it look fatter, but it's still not as impressive as the photo. A reproduction could've been more accurate, I believe. The photo is all the proof I need.
Just my observations.
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#192892 - 04/04/03 09:04 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
glowball Offline
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Registered: 12/06/00
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I would have done the same thing. You don't turn a dead fish away from the dinner table. If it's legal to keep em why not keep em? I don't think most of these so called "wild" fish are in fact wild anyways. If they shouldn't be kept how come the season is open for the harvest of wild fish?
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#192893 - 04/04/03 10:48 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
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wild:
thats cool, but my taxi is the best in florda, he's won every compitition he's enterd but 1 and he's curently 2nd. so I think Ill be impressed Ill shoot some pics when I get it. and then I will let you decide. You have to remember most of the work isnt work. it's art, and you must have a good artist.

assy beer
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#192894 - 04/04/03 10:57 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Sparkey Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 03/06/99
Posts: 1231
Loc: Western Washington
Quote:
Originally posted by assalyanizim:
BOB:
Thanks for the reply. but I still feil that the fish I cought it was cool to keep. was a third year spawner, That from my under standing by talking with Tom it was its last year, so I dont feil bad at all it droped and will bring me lots of joy. but I also do beleive that Skin mounts prove so much more.
Two things...well actually three.

First...because this was the fish's 3rd time spawning, it is all that much more important that the fish was given the chance to spawn as repeat spawners provide more eggs (if a female ofcourse) then a first time spawner...so that is no excuse.

Secondly...what the Hell do you need to prove???...you killed this beautiful wild steelhead that had so much potential to provide so many young so you can prove something???...that is the most assonine statement I have heard in a long while!!

And thirdly...what the Hell does 'assalyanizim' stand for???
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#192895 - 04/04/03 11:24 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
Well Sparky you asked:
but first
IF YOU WOULD LOOK AGEIN IT HAD JUST SPAWND SO IT DID CONTRIBUT TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF FISH!

BOB PLEASE DONT BAN ME!

ASSALYANIZIM
is in short liberals!

its when you get YOUR eyes and your a@* mixed together, and have a brown out look on life. and blame every one else for YOUR stupidity insted of looking at your self first and thinking your allwas rite.

Ive been known to have this but not as much as many Ive seen lately.


beer
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#192896 - 04/04/03 11:31 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Sparkey Offline
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Registered: 03/06/99
Posts: 1231
Loc: Western Washington
Quote:
Originally posted by assalyanizim:
Well Sparky you asked:
but first
IF YOU WOULD LOOK AGEIN IT HAD JUST SPAWND SO IT DID CONTRIBUT TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF FISH!
So are you telling me that you killed that fish to have a skin mount so that you could prove that you caught a spawned out steelhead??? confused

I must say...that is a first!
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#192897 - 04/04/03 11:41 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Bob Offline

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Azz .. Tom wouldn't have been able to tell from just looking at the fish how many times it's spawned. Scales must be examined (with the use of a microscope) to count the annuli and from there a life history can be gathered.

Perhaps you misunderstood what he meant ... sounds like he likely figured it was a 3 salt fish, meaning that it had spent three years at sea, and would likely be an educated guess from the size of the fish and a little experience at checking wink
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#192898 - 04/04/03 11:42 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
See Their it is ASSALYANIZIM
you dont know much about mounts do ya?
all skin fish mounts are air brushed on because if ou cure the skin right it bleaches out .
thats why many people dont like their mounts because they where done wrong.
so it will look just like the nice crome fish I let go last year wich was on the sol duc and was my first.

slap
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#192899 - 04/04/03 11:48 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Sparkey Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 03/06/99
Posts: 1231
Loc: Western Washington
Quote:
Originally posted by assalyanizim:
See Their it is ASSALYANIZIM
you dont know much about mounts do ya?
all skin fish mounts are air brushed on because if ou cure the skin right it bleaches out .
thats why many people dont like their mounts because they where done wrong.
so it will look just like the nice crome fish I let go last year wich was on the sol duc and was my first.

slap
If you are going to have the taxidermist doctor up the fish for you then what are you proving??...and if you are having the fish doctored up to that extent then why not get a replica???...your logic is so far beyond off-base, I have no idea why I am even arguing with you....plus as the evening moves on you make less and less sense.

And if the taxidermist is going to doctor up the fish's color...are you going to have him remove the sunken belly?...clean up the fins so they dont look so beat up??...etc. etc.???
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#192900 - 04/04/03 11:50 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
Bob
We did send in the scale samples and thats the come back I got. and yes you are correct I did miss understand him at that time but she had someother defects like Three hooks down her throught when I cought her that where cut off from some one else. she hapend to be the same as the one I cought last year. and was also bleeding perfusly from her ass thats how why we thought that she was atlest that old. I woul like to chat with you some time if we could if you would email me and let me know what would be best thanks.
assy.

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#192901 - 04/04/03 11:53 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
dud
WHY ARE YOU ?
READ MY POST
I EXPLAINED IT!


AGEIN! flog

ASSALYANIZIM ITS A CURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#192902 - 04/04/03 11:57 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Sparkey Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 03/06/99
Posts: 1231
Loc: Western Washington
Quote:
Originally posted by assalyanizim:
dud
WHY ARE YOU ?
READ MY POST
I EXPLAINED IT!


AGEIN! flog

ASSALYANIZIM ITS A CURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Booze, ignorance and posting just dont mix!!!

This discussion is over! shoot
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#192903 - 04/05/03 12:03 AM Re: Bleeding fish?
Aix sponsa Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
Booze, ignorance and posting just dont mix!!!

This discussion is over!


SUFERING FROM ASSALYANIZIM,LEFTY THOUGHTS AND POSTING DONT ETHER!
fridge
KNOW AIT WE BOTH CANTENT!!!!!!!
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#192904 - 04/05/03 12:12 AM Re: Bleeding fish?
Plunker Offline
Spawner

Registered: 04/01/00
Posts: 511
Loc: Skagit Valley
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana,arial,helv">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv"> Booze, ignorance and posting just dont mix!!!

This discussion is over! beer

We love you any way but...
Please re-examine your avoidance of natural skin mounts.
Too much mounting of those replicas might deflate your libido. laugh
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#192905 - 04/05/03 11:25 AM Re: Bleeding fish?
glowball Offline
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Registered: 12/06/00
Posts: 783
Loc: bullcanyon
When is that automatic spell check going to be put into effect. I know I don't spell everything right, but holy cow. Kinda hard to take anything seriously when people have trouble spelling simple words.
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#192906 - 04/05/03 02:36 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
The one thing I was able to discern from assy's garbled posts was that he is not a liberal. Thank God. You conservatives can use him for your poster boy.
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#192907 - 04/05/03 03:39 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
micropterus101 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/03
Posts: 802
Loc: Port Orchard
Hey surecatch why are you thanking god?
I thought you liberals worshiped buddha, crystals and stuff like that!

I dont think there is anything wrong with skin mounting a 3rd year spawned out spawner that was bleeding and wouldnt have lived anyways! Theres going to be plenty more fish in the river dying to feed the crawdads.

fiberglass reproductions are fine too but allow for dishonest representation of the fish.


This is just a poor quick example of what I could do to fake a fish. Thats actually bobs fish.



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#192908 - 04/05/03 05:28 PM Re: Bleeding fish?
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
My comments had nothing to do with his decision to mount his fish. I was making reference to his lack of logic, awful spelling, unique grammar etc.

Do you really think that only conservatives could possibly worship God? Too funny.
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