We all know that it's up to Bob's personal discretion to do as he feels on this issue about NRF threads. I don't even know if Bob has the ability to "create" such a special area or location for all these none fish related treads that seem to be bombarding this board daily. I do know (in my opinion) that there are a lot of members on our board that are much more interested in reading posts that relate to fishing related issues then there is about posts that relate to "other political issues".

And yes, if it's an issue that is politically related to fishing, or fish management, then in my opinion, its fair game and should be allowed to be posted and debated on Bob's fishing site. Again, it's Bob's site and it is his call.

We already know what the people who post on these NRF threads (mostly the political ones) will claim; that they get the most attention and replays on Bob's site. Well that may be true simply because most of the time, it's the same people bickering back and forth at each other about a political issue that can't be won

It's my opinion, that most of these political issues do noting but create resentment for each other and caused nothing but discontent that continually carries over into other fish related threads. I know that many will disagree with this pole, especially the members that love to create political threads. But I think that this pole will give Bob a good idea about how his board members feel about all these political none related fishing threads

So here's the Pole:

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I for one find value in both solutions.
I think it is good to keep these issues in the eye of all anglers. Pushing these topics to a separate forum will only lessen their visibility.

I also think what some other forums have done with a community chat area is successful. Creating a NFR or open communtiy chat area is good to keep from having to wade through a bunch of NFR when all you want is a FR report.

Sometimes I want to discuss things with you folks like my love for Billiards, Snowboarding, Photography, Kids, etc, but dont post about that stuff here because I dont want to get bashed for posting NFR topics.


Remeber folks, you all have the power in your mouse..to click or not to click on a topic, it's up to you!

Either way Bob, I like what you have going here, I think all else will agree.

I think the best solution is to do both. Allow NFR's on the main board, but maybe open up a open community to allow for free for all topics. Leave it up to the Moderators discretion to move a topic if they see fit, thats why they make the big bucks anyway .

You also need to look at the cost associated with each option. Does the owner of the board wish to foot the bill for another board for NFR topics? Does Bob want to moderate that board? Does he even want to be associated with what may be posted on such a board? These are questions only he can answer, if he chooses. What I think people forget sometimes is this is not a public forum, it is a private board and we are here as guest of the board owner. We do not have the right to say anything we wish on this board, it is up to the board owner to decide what is appropriate and what he would like to be on his board.
I think Bob has been a very kind host and very tolerant, but just like when you host a large group sometimes you have to have a bouncer to maintane the atmosphere you wish to have at the gathering.
Should there be a NFR area, I am not sure. If you wish to discuss matters relating to fishing this is the place. If you wish to have discussions unrelated to fishing and the resource there may be places geared more to such conversations, or they may fit here nicely, that is the owners right to decide.

My guess is that Bob knows that the NFR posts drive a ton of traffic to his site. While they sometimes cause hard feeling, few folks leave becasue of the NFRs, and many seem to appreciate them. I beleive It's in his best interests to leave things as they are.

Those who don't like the NFS should just say no and not click on them.

Seems to me it shouldn't be any big deal to add another page to this site for NFR posts.

Take a look at Gamefishin.com - they have a "let's talk fishin" page and a "say what" page for everything else: hunting, politics, jokes, whatever.

Bob, what would it take to add one page to this site?

Now if everyone could remain CIVIL, we wouldnt even have to ask ourselves if we need a forum specifically for NFR topics.

Just because you disagree with someone does not make them an idiot, a moron, a fascist, a hippie etc. etc. etc.

I guess this means Bob's intuition about this is right on

My opinion on this issue is well documented. I see that the poll is running about 50/50.

When people title a post with NFR (NOT FISHING RELATED) they are acknowledging that: "I realize that this has absolutely NO business being here....but I'm going to post it anyway".

To me it makes no sense for a fishing website to have a separate category for lake fishing, and separate category for fly fishing, but hey, lets put the political arguments on the Salmon & Steelhead board.

Actually, if the NFR posts had their own category, I would be interested in participating in some of the discussions. It's just too irritating to get involved when the post is totally inappropriate for the subject of the board.

Another aspect of this subject is the advertisers who support this site. Fishing gear vendor advertise here because they want to target fishermen. If they visit this site and see that it has become predominately a current events board, they will re-think their support.
But I guess other advertisers that target those that like to argue politics could fill in.....viagra?....rogaine?....dating services?

I don't think that political science majors check PP's NFR threads to see whats going on in the world? These NFR threads are started and answered by fisherpeople. Just what the advertisers want to see---- lots of hits. My life would certainly be more mellow without all the insanity.

LOL

Judging by volume of posts, I believe that ifish.net is by far the most successful, and fastest growing fishing BB in the NW. It seems to me that things really took off on ifish after the decision was made to segregate NFR from FR.

Maybe Bob should contact Jenny and explain to her the error of her ways.

And I think that PP's trend toward NFR has attracted a LOT of non-anglers.

But I have to agree with you, Jerry, about the political science majors...

Gee, wouldya lookie there...Slabquest posting on another NFR thread. Twice even....

That's just because Oregon has higher unemployment rates!!

Is this board not successful enough and growing fast enough for you? It isnt a contest, be careful what you wish for.

In Oregon, it seems every cracker with a pole and computer has a login to iFish.

I don't see where a seperate category for NFR subjects would translate into less total hits for PP.

Doesn't more active boards spell MORE hits?

And, Aunty, check the poll...it's about 50/50. It's not just me.

And, h2o, I know you think that PP is a current events board so talking about PP is NFR, but I hope your vision does not come to pass.

Obviously, that arguement can be flipped over to support either point of view.

Who am I to question??

Why, I am the GREAT and ALL POWERFUL SLABQUEST!! (Just please don't look behind the curtain, Aunty M)

Your 15 views are primarily from u & me.

As I have mentioned before, the high post #'s in the political threads come from a handful of members that seem to be here 24/7. I don't think that Bob's numbers reflect that...

Naturally, advertisers (& Bob) would greatly prefer to have 1000 members a day with 1 hit each than 100 members with 10 hits.

i agree

Wasn't that a Clinton era program? You know full well there are some here that could never support anything Clinton-ese.

Try the Reagan era Harley....

Just say no to drugs, unless they are paid for by the CIA and delivered to americas inner cities, that is.

Here's an idea

I personally could care less about all these "political threads", but here is a suggestion that you may want to kick around. Why can't the moderators leave the top line or two on Bob's front page for all the NFR threads? That way all you guys and girls that love to debate these winless issues can always be on the front page with your bickering, and you can leave the rest of Bob's page to the fish related threads. That way the moderator can easily keep an eye on all that hot stuff that you guys love to get into in those political debates. You guys can keep bumping each other until you turn blue in the face and stop bumping off all the fish related posts below, and we all can keep talking and reading about fish related issues instead of politics!

So now what's wrong with this suggestion?

Cowlitzfisherman

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OK boater! Put up or shut up!

Do a search and show us all when was the last time that I "posted a thread" that was not related to fishing or WDFW management! I may have forgotten about one or two in three years of posting and 1300 posts, but can you find out which ones they were and bring them back to refresh my memory?

Can you ever give any answers to resolve some of our broad's problems, or are you one of members of this board's political "debating" team?

It'd be nice if there was just a general Off Topic forum or something like that.

nope, i like it the way it is, its interesting and the moderators do a good job

cfm

The school levies thread comes to mind..........

NFR

Don't know if you started it, but you were flingin' poop with me and the rest of the monkeys in there.

Doesn't bother me any..........keep flingin'.

cfm doesn't need a nfr to get his fix of debating till his face is blue.

I'll bet that if all of us on this thread went out fishing together on the same boat two things would happen:

1.) We would get to know each other and find out we get along much better than we do online.

2.) Subjects other than fishing would come up including politics most likely. Discussions would occur but no name calling or emotive attacks would occur. We would disagree but move on before it got personal and spoiled the day of fishing.

The internet is devoid of the personal interaction and facial expressions and body language so I think things tend to get overheated in place of arms waving and eyes rolling.

I know that Slab thinks I am a loser popping handfuls of Viagra as I sit here in my Depends smearing Rogaine on my head and pounding on the keys but he is only expressing his intolerant opinion so I just move on with my intolerant opnions and keep typing.

Besides he types reallllly slow.

Grampy,

Actually, I have to go along with your last post.

And, at no time has the Great and All Powerful SLABQUEST ever said he is against NFR discussions per se.

I have never understood why the folks that like NFR are against those discussions being in a seperate category. One would think that they would prefer a little organization of topics.

Many times, the Great and All Powerful SLABQUEST has been very tempted to jump in and enlighten the participants of some of these discussions. But it's just so dang innappropriate to do so on what is supposed to be a fishing BB!

I just think that PP would grow faster and be an all around higher quality place to visit if the topics were organized into categorys.

There...I typed that in 2 minutes...I'm getting better.

Dan

I said;
I never said that I have not made a few "replies" to NFR threads because that would be a flat out lie. I make it my personal policy never to lie. That's probably one of the reasons why I am an opinionated person….I tell you how I see it!

The thread that you were referring to was a thread that I had started about how to find out what we were paying WDFW employees (Topic: Find out what state employees make-WDFW). The teacher thing that was debated was brought up by another board member and that is what lead to my replies back. I never would have brought that subject up, but once it did come up, I voiced my opinion just like you and 230 posts did!

Granpa, you are right about us all getting together and not jumping on each other like we so often do here. It would be kind of fun to play with each other wits and at the same time play a fish.

ltlCLEO, You should not be such an angry person! It's not your fault that you never win any of these heated debates …we will give you a C+ for effort anyway !

Cowlitzfisherman

Oh, my bad. That was Nancy's program. I thought it was the early 90's for some reason. Man, I'm gettin' old.

I vote for a separate forum JUST for Eddie, Granpa2, pmartin, Go Harley and H2O...

They dont post here... we wont post there...

:p

Piper I vote for you to post something interesting to distract us from the NFR posts.

The Great and Powerful Slab adds alot to the quest to pi$$ off those who are WRONG

Since Piper has decided to exile me (with the others), I thought I would look at my 177 posts (178) with this one that are listed when I search the site. I truly wanted to see if I deserved Piper's banishment. Here's what I found.

Politics (War, Bush, Environment) 31 posts
Fishing Politics (Indians, WT, C&R) 40 posts
Fishing 76 posts
NFR Not politics (Board help, M's, jokes) 30 posts

So, I think that I'd like to stay here, with Piper's permission of course

Just discovered that PP thinks I have posted 304 times, my guess is that I have posted multiple times on some of the above subjects. So, my scientific study is less scientific. But the numbers above are an accurate picture of the subjects that I have posted on.

Only if you vote for Bush for re-election :p

Piper, you drive to hard a bargain. There is a possibility that I would vote for Bush. There is also a possibility that pigs will fly.

Hmmm, But the chrome piggies in Hood Canal Fly...

when attched to my line that is...

Ahh........I see. My bad. Write that one down, grandpa..........I made a mistake.

Dan...we're not in court here where we could get nailed for perjury. This is just a BS session where we all make many mistakes.

Eddie: Dennis Kucinich in 2004!

Grandpa, I would pay to be there when you voted for Al. :p

If he makes it into the finals I'll call you.

Have you voted in this pole yet?

Cowlitzfisherman

I just re-read the second post on this thread.

I agree with Sky-Guy. It would be nice to have a forum for outdoor activities other than fishing.

I would like to discuss skiing (downhill & xcountry), hiking, driving destinations, boating destinations, etc....

Finally Someone read all the posts!!

i think grandpa is right. everything is taken wrong in text. netiquette gets as old as political correctness and i hate gremlins, so just about anything i say is gonna come across wrong to many. if we actually fished together i think that everyone would get along just fine. thats one thing about a boat... it brings people together.

my .02 cents is that 90% of the issues impacting our fisheries have no non-political answer. fishing is inextricably linked with politics and the answers to all of the issues facing our fisheries are mired in politics. for example how would it impact our fisheries if 87 billion was not taken from the budget for this quarters iraq bill?

i mean really- i cant think of one major problem in our fisheries that doesnt require a political answer! if anyone can come up with one than i would say give that its own area

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An Open Community Chat of sorts...Maybe

Hell I don't know.

Seperate sections are good, but require moderation.

So......what is the plans for Hell-O-Weeen

I love Trick-or-Treatin'

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