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#241430 - 04/20/04 10:16 AM Another idea to help wild fish
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Canada has a rather effective tool to help wild steelhead in a total C&R fishery. No fishing from the boat. You can use the boat to get anyplace you want but you have to get out of it to fish. This accompliches a couple of things. First of all, it makes it so you can't pull plugs. Wild fish are stupid for those things up there, and locals will beat your ass if they see you doing it. A few years ago there was one river in the Skeena system that still allowed fishing from a boat. Some guys from the states were pulling plugs and catching 25-30 fish a day. We saw them at the launch one morning, and they were telling us that they had been jacked up several times by people who were pissed that they did this day in and day out. It really caused a commotion in town. The next year, they changed the law and included this river in the boat ban.

This would not mean fly fishing only. Single barbless with no bait. Spoons, pink worms, jigs... anything.... Just get out of the boat to do it if its total C&R
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#241431 - 04/20/04 10:57 AM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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most of the "no fishing from boats" that happens up here is due to non-boaters hating the fact that they are being out fished by those in boats. They usually get the placed closed after some one "catches too many" compared to the bankies. It almost never has anything to due with fish management but all to due with jealously. Happened on the Gold river this way,and on the Thompson river this way when one boat caught what was deemed too many by the regular anglers.

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#241432 - 04/20/04 11:21 AM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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I have fished the Thompson many times. If I could run a set of plugs through there... I would clean up for sure.

I also have a boat, two in fact and still see this as an equalizer in favor of the fish. I have no issues with pulling plugs and love doing it, just not on a river thats only got wild fish in it only.
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#241433 - 04/20/04 11:56 AM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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a hook is a hook. as long as it is barbless where it is fished from and what it is hanging on does not seem to matter. i would argue that fishing from the boat and not the bank would be better for the fish becouse it lessens the chance of being banged on rocks and sand. this seems to me to be a attempt at my way vs the wrong way by the canadians and also by you b-run. i know that you think its a good idea but i just do not see the difference . a hook in the mouth is a hook. i for one do not support c and r . if the system can not with stand a one fish aday limit then close the damm thing or plant more fish. oh yet i do not beleive in the magical wild fish. they all fight the same and taste great.
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#241434 - 04/20/04 01:32 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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i have a novel idea for helping wild fish. i'm just not going to fish for them where they're in danger of being wiped out

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#241435 - 04/20/04 03:48 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Jacked up for pulling plugs? This may seem outlandish but I believe we are headed down the same road. Too many jealous dufuses out there that (just like liberals) want everything for themselves and use fish conservation to get what they want whether it really helps the fish or not.


Kinda like the ACLU and the Rainbow coalition suing in the name of civil rights, taking away freedom of religion,and freedom of expression. unless of course your a flaming gay marching down public streets in a parade with your whips an leatherware kissing on your "life partner" more accuratly described as a butt buddy.

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#241436 - 04/20/04 04:14 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Micro,

Sometimes your grasp of the political realities of the U.S. leave me at a loss for words...and as everyone knows, not much leaves me at a loss for words \:D

Fish on...

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#241437 - 04/20/04 04:19 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Wow.. Micro... you started out O.K and then I think you called me a leather wearing Butt ranger or something... You obviously don't know me. You should come over to my house and talk about it. Pretty sure the second I open the door you would be willing to have a resonable conversation... Can you clarify your statement there... I am a *** ?? or people who think like me are ***s?? people with opinions are ***s ??? You go from fishing to homos like they have something in common...
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#241438 - 04/20/04 04:36 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Registered: 03/28/04
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I believe that prior to 2000 the Green River (King County) was restricted to bank fishing only. No fishing from a boat. Not sure if this was to help the run or for some other reason. Heres a thought and I am sure I am more guilty than the average fisherman. When I bank fish I have a tendancy to want to work a lot of water, especially during low water conditions. This can mean I will walk for miles and in the process cross the river multiple times no doubt damaging redds. I feel bad knowing this has probobly happened more than once. However a boat banging down a tail-out is doing the same thing.
Who's to say that it's a bad idea. Maybe restrict boating to normal and higher flows. Mandatory educational classes about ways to leave no impact. Before we start shooting down ideas lets get a bunch out in the open. There are a lot of smart people on this board and I am sure collectively we are a lot smarter then we sound.
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#241439 - 04/20/04 08:36 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Micro, I would recommend only one cup of coffee per day. You are going to blow a gasket.
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#241440 - 04/20/04 09:21 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Hey eddie

Maybe No COFFEE!
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#241441 - 04/20/04 10:34 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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miro thanks for making me look fairly normal.
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I do think that one fish limits or closeres every other year are a brtter idea then c and r. I also think miro is right when he saids that fish conservation is being used as a excuse for limiting some of our freedoms in this land. many mlies of trials have been closed across thje west in the name of conservation. and many groups work to buy public land and make it off limits to the public, unless you pay them. as far as attacking gays we part ways. I sent my time in the usmc to protect every ones right to freedom not just everyone who agress with my beliefs. miro this country did just fine with out the words under god in the pledge for about 180 years before macarthy got it stuck in there. pray at church not at school.
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#241442 - 04/20/04 10:38 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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i also think spell check would be a great feature for the next up grade. it will make me appear better educated.
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#241443 - 04/20/04 11:47 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Micro If you decide to run for mayor you got my vote . To bad some just cant seem to see the writing on the wall. \:D

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#241444 - 04/21/04 12:17 AM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
Robert Allen3 Offline
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I got a great idea the good of wild steelhead.. Don't hit them on the head with sticks...

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#241445 - 04/21/04 01:06 AM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Maybe I'm the one who will sound ignorant here, but Micro...

If you changed that picture of you holding up that big old bass to one w/ a salmon, I might take you a little more seriously \:D Kitsap's not that far south!

I'm not serious. Nice fish Micro - I think it's the guys catching them on TV w/ their Nascar uni's that do it to me.

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#241446 - 04/21/04 04:29 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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I wonder how long it'll be before people start trying to make it illegal to fish with hooks. They'll be trying to claim that the real satisfaction in fishing isn't the fight or catching a fish to eat, but rather, the simple satisfaction of knowing you tricked a fish to bite your lure.

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#241447 - 04/21/04 04:32 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Probably never! ;\)
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#241448 - 04/21/04 08:19 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Originally posted by 4Salt:
Probably never! ;\)
I don't know. I've had people tell me that if they have a big fish hooked and it's taking longer than expected to land (10 minutes was the number I was given by said person), they will break their own line to prevent the fish from tiring out. Honestly, the only next step is fishing hookless.

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#241449 - 04/21/04 08:41 PM Re: Another idea to help wild fish
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Originally posted by JacobF:
\They'll be trying to claim that the real satisfaction in fishing isn't the fight or catching a fish to eat, but rather, the simple satisfaction of knowing you tricked a fish to bite your lure.
Actually Jacob, I think tricking the fish into taking your offering IS half the fun. Isn't that why its called fishing....?
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