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#262480 - 11/29/04 08:41 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Parr

Registered: 09/30/04
Posts: 50
Loc: Snohomish
Local,
Makes sense to me!
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#262481 - 11/29/04 09:14 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 359
Loc: Kirkland, Wa USA
Dogoff, they never clipped dorsals at any hatchery. The dorsals do tend to fray and are smaller on hatchery fish, apparently from rubbing on concrete raceways.

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#262482 - 11/29/04 10:31 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
Aaron Offline
Alevin

Registered: 01/30/04
Posts: 17
Loc: King County
I know where he was, they were hatcheries.

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#262483 - 11/29/04 10:32 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
AJ Hartwell Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 09/19/04
Posts: 276
Loc: Duvall, Wa.
B Mac,

Thanks for sharing the pictures! Whether the law about picking up wild fish makes sense and/or whether it's appropriate to inform others about the law when it's potentially applicable are certainly both interesting questions to debate but they weren't the topic that I thought we'd discuss with my original post. In any event, thanks again for sharing. \:\)

Anyone else doing any good?

Aaron

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#262484 - 11/29/04 11:17 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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River Nutrients

Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 7477
Loc: Poulsbo
Quote:
Originally posted by salmonbelly:
Dogoff, they never clipped dorsals at any hatchery.
WRONG.

Study up and try again, Grasshopper. ;\)

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#262485 - 11/29/04 11:37 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Loc: Forks, WA & Soldotna, AK
Here's some of what we got today ;\)

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#262486 - 11/30/04 12:08 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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What a great discussion. It is obvious to me that many of you know where my fish were caught. I ended up bringing two of these hatchery fish home with me and released the other two I landed after a quick picture. All four had their adipose fins intact!
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#262487 - 11/30/04 12:08 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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I've seen those guys before but can't place where I've seen them (I thought the guy on the right couldn't catch a thing).
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#262488 - 11/30/04 12:29 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Single handed rods are the tickey h2h \:\)
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#262489 - 11/30/04 01:12 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 1440
Loc: Wherever I can swing for wild ...
Them boys aint' right!

In regards to the regulation discussion, my $.02-

Whether you agree with it or not, it's undeniable that this regulation has brought attention to the issue of better handling of the fish is an important element of responsible releasing techniques. I am the same as many and believe I handle the fish responsibly, but I can live with it.

The only bad I see is the bruising of some egos.


Homer Psst....single handed rods are making a comeback, saw some doubles at a garage sale the other day :p
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#262490 - 11/30/04 01:32 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Quote:
they never clipped dorsals at any hatchery
Bzzzzzzzzzzt !! Hope you didn't make that a true daily double. ;\)

In fact, I've seen some really nice hatchery fish with no dorsal fin released by guys on that same river because the fish's adipose fins were intact. Musta been FNG's. \:D

Nice fish, B. Mac. You knew somebody was going to say something, didn't you? ;\)

Oh yeah.........when you guys keel-haul Sparkey, do it reeeeaaalll slow. \:D
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#262491 - 11/30/04 10:26 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Posts: 359
Loc: Kirkland, Wa USA
Clipping dorsals? Must be tribal then because I've never seen nor heard of any state hatchery clipping a dorsal, and never caught one totally lacking a dorsal. Have caught them w/o a ventral, w/o a pectoral and w/o an adipose. Please fill me in so I can be properly humbled....

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#262492 - 11/30/04 10:37 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 12/19/03
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Loc: Poulsbo
Salmonbelly: The practice is common at state AND tribal hatcheries. \:\)

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#262493 - 11/30/04 11:24 AM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Loc: Kirkland, Wa USA
Sol on the Duc, respectively suggest you're full of it. Tell me which hatcheries. The dorsals do get stubbed, eroded, frayed, whatever you want to call it, but I know several WDFW biologists (dont' hate me for it) and they tell me the state has NEVER clipped dorsals on steelhead. Tribes maybe, but I doubt it.

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#262494 - 11/30/04 12:01 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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River Nutrients

Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 7477
Loc: Poulsbo
Quote:
Originally posted by salmonbelly:
Sol on the Duc, respectively suggest you're full of it.
You're a pleasant fellow, aren't you?

How many steelhead have you caught in Washington, dude? Not many I would surmize. The neatly pruned dorsals found on the Skamania strain hatchery summer steelhead, which are planted widely all over the state are just one example.

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#262495 - 11/30/04 12:05 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 359
Loc: Kirkland, Wa USA
Duc, a couple hundred steelhead at least. Tell me which hathcery?

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#262496 - 11/30/04 12:12 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13942
Loc: Tuleville
Quote:
Originally posted by Sol_on_the_Duc:
Sparkey should be fed raw potato's via the potato gun. After his last meal---a drift boat keel-hulling in some shallow rapids. This might dissuade others from such stupid ideas in the future. I might suggest the Snoopy Rod Classic as the appropriote venue. ;\)
There's a reason why we call him "Special". Too bad drift boats don't come in the "short yellow bus" variety! ;\)

Oh, and before you tar and feather him, he still owes me a dinner from the *LAST* SRC!

If he survives the day, I think Sparkey will be paying for my Steak Jalisco dinner!

Mmmmmmm.
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#262497 - 11/30/04 01:37 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 1362
Loc: DEADWOOD
WDFW Hatcheries mark 100% of the Steelhead and the Tribal Hatcheries will mark 100% of there Steelhead by 2005. The Quinaults were the last hold out.

Bob wrote:
“Single handed rods are the tickey h2h”

Double Haul wrote:
“Homer Psst....single handed rods are making a comeback, saw some doubles at a garage sale the other day”


Dream on guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any body want to buy some single-handed rods? Contact Bob over DH.
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#262498 - 11/30/04 02:06 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Quote:
Tribes maybe, but I doubt it.
Now, don't go being flat-out wrong twice in one thread.

The Salmon River hatchery clips the dorsals. B. Mac even included pictures to prove it.
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#262499 - 11/30/04 02:29 PM Re: Winter Steelhead
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Registered: 06/17/04
Posts: 313
Loc: South Sound
Glad a couple of you were actually paying attention to my comment on the clipped dorsal...Hatcheries that still clip dorsals?? Can't tell you for sure but I know the Puyallup, Skykomish, Kalama and Nooch are systems which have practiced this in the past..

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