I don't blame them I would be po'd as well.

Lets give them some time to go it alone and understand the value of freedom. Remember these are people that let a guy rape and murder them for 35 years while they hid in the closet.

What's that got to do with anything? I don't remember them blowing up people trying to get rid of him. We brought them out of the closet to blow us up?

Much like a battered wife will defend the husband or abused kids defend the parents and attack and blame the police that are trying to help. Until the stress is gone and clear thinking do they see their role in where there lives are.

Or could it be that life is worse now than under Saddam? NO!!! What am I saying?

If you call 95% of the country living a fairly normal life worse I suppose so. But the libs need to highlight the bad to have a point so I suppose that 5% of the country being a mess is overwhelming.

To whom it may concern,

I would encourage anyone who wants to understand how Iraqis feel about anything to do more than read an article in the Seattle PI that was written by someone with their own political agenda. Talk to some soldiers that has served a tour of duty over there--Better yet, go to Iraq and talk directly to the Iraqi people and hear their unfilltered opinions about the ousting of Saddam and his regime.

And as far as the recent bombings and attacks on our troops and those who are in favor of forming a Democratic government --They're being being carried out by al Qaeda, Islamo-fascists and those sympathetic to their interest in shedding the blood of the Infadels (those who are not Islamic Fundamentalists). Democracy is perceived as a direct threat to Islamic Fundamentalism.

The area (Iraq) has become a magnet for the same type of people that planned, carried out and cheered as they (Islamo-fascists) murdered nearly 3000 American men, women and children on that fatefull day in September 2001.

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather deal with them over there with our brave men and Service women trained and equiped to to fight back--than deal with them here where our wives and children are.

For those of you who suggest that we are now less safe because we're aggressively going after the terrorists and those who support them--You're argument holds about as much water as the cowardly man who justifies watching his wife get brutally raped right in front of himself and instead of picking up the closest blunt object and bashing in the rapists skull--He tries to understand the rapist (maybe he comes from a disadvantaged home and just needs a hug and some counseling). Besides, his wife did have on a little too much makeup--she probably deserved it. Maybe he could build an International coalition of other husbands to help protect his wife. Maybe if he could just get her to dress a little more modestly it won't happen again...maybe.

For you Phil Donahue types that want to understand and hug the terrorists and rapists--I'm sure glad my sister didn't marry you.


I'm SCOWAK and I approved this messsage.


"If your not a liberal at twenty you have no heart--If you're still a liberal at forty you have no brain."

Bush and Cheney have said the same thing, "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States" on more than one occasion. The only reason this is being re stated is to insinuate that Bush and Cheney claimed Iraqui responsibility for 9/11, without saying it explicitly and, therefore, lying.

The fact that there was no connection between Sadam and Al Queda regarding 9/11 attacks does not in any way mean there is no connection to Al Queda or support of the organization outside the attacks.

The statement that "there is no CREDIBLE evidence that there is a connection between Sadam Hussein/Iraq and Al Queda REGARDING THE 9/11 ATTACKS" is a great example of carefully parsing words for political purposes.

Well you did parse words by posting the link. Al Queda is involved in Iraq and was prior to 911. just because there is no definative link on one event does not mean there was not a threat. Time will tell and already has to some extent.

If you read the article TK, Cheney was quoted "On Monday, Vice President Dick Cheney said in a speech that the Iraqi dictator "had long established ties with al-Qaida."

Bottom line is that there is either evidence or there isn't. To say that the possiblility of evidence of links to alchieda is justification for war is pathetic.

Hey Auntie M.,

Did you know that John Kerry actually voted to give President Bush the authority to invade Iraq if Saddam didn't comply with the U.N. resoulutions requiring him to give arms inspectors full un-fettered access to inspect for W.M.D.'s or provide evidence that he destroyed the W.M.D.'s (which he didn't despite nearly a ten year opportunity to do so). Those were the same W.M.D.'s we were intested in finding that John Kerry, Bill Clinton and Al Gore all claimed publically he (Saddam) possesed.

Like so many other issues, John Kerry was for
the invasion before one of his focus groups suggested that it might be politically advantages to be against it (at this moment).

Stay tuned because he'll change his position again if it serves his own political interests.


And with regards to your faith in poles--

Poles are correct 93% of the time.

72% of the people know that.


Patriotic Sportsmen for Bush '04

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"If your not a liberal at twenty you have no heart--If you're still a liberal at forty you have no brain."

SCOWAK - how is Kerry germane to this thread? Although most of your facts are wrong, are you employing the typical neocon diversionary smokescreen? Matter of fact, since you challenged me to prove some facts, I should turn the tables, eh? However, we're talking about Iraq and al Qaeda here.

Speaking of which, bin Laden's relatives were in the US on 9/11, and then we just let them leave the next day on a special flight. Does that mean we had ties with al Qaeda?

And even if Iraq had collaborated with al Qaeda at some point in the past, how does that apply to our invading Iraq? There's no evidence that Iraq was involved with the first Trade Center bombing or the USS Cole, besides the Twin Towers. In fact I can't remember reading of any terrorist act against the US that Iraq was responsible for. If there was, why isn't that used for justification of invasion?

Oh, and SCOWAK, by the way:

How much time did you spend over in Iraq talking with the troops or with Iraqis to find out exactly how they feel? Or are you just forming your opinion from some conservative media source with their own political agenda?

I'm sure the Iraqis are really happy that we chose their country to lure the extremists to in order to "take the fight to them." After thousands of innocent women and children have been killed, the latest poll shows how grateful they are to have us there. :rolleyes:

Your statement reeks of American arrogance, and that attitude is what is really killing us in this war. We're not the only humans in this world who's life has value.

And just to let you know, I talk with soldiers everday; some have been there, some are going, and some are there. So, yeah, I think I'm qualified to have an opinion on this subject.

Hey Goharley,

This is America--everyone is qualified to have an opinion (no matter how Anti-American it is).


By the way, are you French?

You said that my," statement reeks of American arrogance, and that attitude is what is really killing us in this war."


Very revealing post--Tres Francais!


Patriotic Sportsmen for Bush '04


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"If your not a liberal at twenty you have no heart--If you're still a liberal at forty you have no brain."

Why French? Are you implying that everyone of French ancestry is not fit to be American? You get that from the same conservative source with a political agenda?

Obviously my post wasn't revealing enough to the untrained eye. Notice I said, "... killing us..." That would imply that I am indeed an American.

If I wasn't in such a good mood tonight I might take offense to your suggestion that I am anti-
American. However, realizing that you are ignorant of my background I have chosen to ignore it.

After reading your posts it could easily be argued that you, sir, are anti-American. There was a significant portion of the population in 1930's Germany that held the same view as your's regarding people expressing disapproval of the government's policies.

If'n you ain't for war, you ain't for America boy.

Now getcha a flag and a bumper sticker and get with dang progarm willya?

you're gettin pretty fiesty there H2O....maybe its time for another bowl...

smatter grandpa...supporting a loser gotcha down?

watching your hero dig his own political grave wearing thin?

futile attempts at minimizing the impact of women's opinions got you singing the pessimistic blues?

Running out of insults and negative hyperbole to cast about with your new 'optimistic' outlook?

No one paying attention to your keyboard wizardry except when you suggest sex with minors or delete something racist?

How DO you remain so optimistic.....do tell.

Hey Goharley,

I didn't ask if you were French because it would be impossible for you to now be an American citizen. I asked because the French look down on Americans and always seem to play the 'blame America first card. Besides they have such a long record of being on the right side of history.


Speaking of history, you brought up the Germans that stood idly by as the Nazi's took away their freedoms.--At the same time there were many Americans that didn't want us to get involved in Europes problems.

Something tells me that if you and Stlhdh20 were around back then you would have been among the isolationist crowd preaching the wisdom of Neville Chamberlain.


Patriotic Sportsmen for Bush '04


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"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart--If you're still a liberal at forty you have no brain."

Actually, if I were around back then, all things being equal, I would have been playing on a French beach.