It all comes down to being anti Christian. They have enough historical information to form yet another conspiracy then they stop. It's about hating Christians and nothing more.

Scowako

I really hope there are some Jewish fisherman out there reading this --I'm sure they'll appreciate having themselves, their families and their homeland being campared to a circus animal eliminating fecal matter.
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Thanks H2o for helping to keep the focus on the Republican Party and this stupid regime's middle east policy. A policy that's has created many more torrorist's and the problems associated with them.

By the way Scowako, many of my Jewish friends are also appalled at the way Isreal treats the original people of that land, the Palistinians. Some even compare it to Hitlers treatment of the Jews! Man you need to be around some real people with original feelings that have not been propagandized into blindness and ignorance by the mass media. Learn to trust your own natural senses (touch, sight, taste, hearing and intuition) when a turd is handed to you, and not let The Fox News channel put a spinn on it, for your ready palate to accept as a gourmet delicacy.

Our supporting this apartheid policy is wrong and the majority of people in that region will continue to resist it. That's just human nature. People will seek to be free and un- ocupied. Look at what we did to the British. You can't build enough nuclear bombs to surpress this need. This policy will eventually backfire on us and Chicken Hawks like yourself will be powerless with your mouse to stop it.

AHen,

I need a 20oz Mt Dew to choke down that load of Horse manure you just tried to feed us. What an utterly misguided attempt to rewrite history to suit your purpose.

First off you have to go way back before there were Christians to understand the nature of the conflict and the reasons the Whabbis have included the destruction of Isreal in their list of demands. Then you will see that the nature of the conflict is a family squabble. You will also see acheologic evidence that lays the ground work for equal claim to both the Jews and "Palestinians". I put Palestianians in quotes because at the bigining and well into the disagreement over the lands the people that would form "Palestine" were a nomadic people residing mostly in what is now Jordan.
4000 years of battles have left landmarks claimed by both sides to represent their religions. This makes sense at it all started 4000 years ago as a dispute between two brothers over the promise that god made to their father. So the historical record over who has rights tot he land is a wash. Now fast forward to post WWII. The boundaries of the Ottoman empire are shruken to their smallest size in almost 4000 years. The Allies support and help create a Zionist state of Isreal. The battle starts anew as Islam feels that the powers of the world are siding with Jews on the religous issue and fear a powerful Jewish state in the ME. Which is partially true as the Christian dominated pwers realize that the bible speaks directly of the roles of the Jews in biblical prophecy. For this prophecy to take place their must be Jews in Zion. A great book that deals with this better than any other is The footsteps of the Messiah by Arnold Fruchtenbaum a convert Christian Jew. This Zionist move was supported by the US not out of racisim but out of the Christian belief in the prophecy of revelation. So the stage is set for today. The Whabbis have been pushing from behind the scenes for 60 years to remove Christian influence from the region in order to reestablish the Islamic claim of the territory based on their interpretation of the promise from God. This has been done using all the states surround Isreal. While Isreal and the Allies claimed from the beginning and still do todaythat their is both historical and logical reasons why they can both exist in the ame area. Islam has always manintained the opposite that Isreal cannot exist. So one would be rewriting history and misrepresenting the facts to justification to capitulate to the whabbi demands repesented by Bin laden. It would also be racist as that position would include a defacto support of Islam over the jews and Christians vs a postion of they all have an equal claim .

Or we could all go revisionist and treat all situations around the world the same to be fair. Meaning you would all have to turn over your land to the local tribes because they claim they where here first. You would then all have to repatriate to your ancesteral homelands and leave the US.

Flush...

........circling, circling...

Where did I put that broomstick........?

H20,

Whats a matter a few facts get in your way so you kick back to the childish antics? Come on lets hear your thoughts. Oh! I just have to read Imperial Hubris to get a peek at your one source is enough for me view of the world and combine it with a hearty I hate Christians then throw ina little Stem Cell research promises H20 a new brian from his original DNA hail mary humanism. :p Makes sense to me.

How does this stuff get out? I don't remember posting any such thing?

I'll get a new 'brian' when elvis gets a new 'fact sheet'.

The definition of stupidity as we've all heard it is 'repeating the same mistake over and over again expecting a different result'.

Like 'why isn't this wall smashing down after repeated violent blows with my head'

Again Elvis.....read the frickin book.

.....you know what? Don't read it....don't waste your time. Dumbya is a wonderful president and you're safer now. I hate christians and I haven't been sober in twenty years.

There....your world is now black and white.....

...oh, the simplistic naivete of it all.

AM,
"They are trying to MAKE prophecy happen "

That is a very small fundamental groups actions that you broad brush all christians with. If you understood Revelations prophecy you would know that you cannot MAKE anything happen . That in and of itself discredits that groups beliefs. Secondly there is nothing, not one thing in Revelations that requires or infers that Christians want Jews to convert to be saved. revelations is very very clear about what will happpen. If you understood Christianity there is only one human action that can change the outcome and it relates to only one person at a time. Revelations is ceratainly the most complicated book of the bible and the only one that touches all other books. Still you should not label a religion based on what you have heard because it is the exact thing you have accuesed others here of doing RE;Islam.

I can spell I just cannot type Brain not Brian

H20,

I have the book on order from the Library I should get it early sept. How many books you planning on reading on these issues beteween now and the election? Or is Hubris and F911 all you need to know?

AM,

You compound your ignorance.

"middle east scares them because it would prove they were WRONG about their prophecy"

The role of the ME in revelational prophecy is over beacuse the Jews have returned to Zion. So that part is all over and fulfilled.

AM,

You have been watching to much TV and have a grand view of your role in the world

"every one of you/me that give up"

I never realized you where so important in the world view?

Am,

"As long as there is no peace in Israel, the prophecy CAN'T be fulfilled"

Please support that claim? And what is the prophecy?

Christian Zionism at its core:

r.b. thieme ministries

From reading through all the huggy kissy stuff you'd never guess that this is the same r.b. thieme who often preached wearing a military uniform. Thieme, who often swore from the pulpit, would tell the congregation it was their “God-given right to kill gooks.”

Nice company Elvis.

AM,

"As long as there is no peace in Israel, the prophecy CAN'T be fulfilled" As your source cearly states the vast majority or Christians support the road map. The Prophecy holds no stipualtions as to the condition of the Palestinian and Isreali relations WRT Revelations. Quit holding the exception up as the rule. It is ignorant at best.

H20,

I could be like you and post a NAMBLA link and say it represents liberals best. What a weak attempt at bashing christians. I would think your anti Christian hate would at least be more mainstream. What a fool!

Am,

This is a good example of someone using a bible passage to try and twist it's context to meet their need. We need to pay attention to the 4 laws of translation as proscribed by the Biblical research Society. You quote a passage as litteral (the first rule) when there are other passages later on which give more detail and clarification of the true meaning of this passseage. So using the 3rd law of translation Recurrence we see more clarification and better context. This series of text refers to the invasion of Isreal from the North and the subsequent destrutction of the invading armies. It does not support your claim that Christians are required to convert jews or support the destruction of Islam in any way. Try again. Given the time it took you to reply I take it your Google bible debate will take you too much time to form any basis of intelligent undrstanding of the bible. It's much easier to just balnket hate Christians and balme them for the worlds ill's.

There are many pieces and a sequence to the prophecy which you leave out because you do not understand nor have you ever studied the prophecy. You are just searching the net and finding bits and pieces. Mostly from apostate or apocalyptic churches or demi churches. Read the footsteps of the Messiah then come back and we can talk until then you might be able to fool the rest of the libs here.

The Russo-Islamic alliance?
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Is Russia even formally recognized as a country anymore?

I read a few of those Hal Linsey type of books in the '80's.

The theological interperations don't hold up as well now that the Soviet empire has fallen.

The Bible is very clear in both the old and new testements that the day and hour of the second coming is unknown.

However, I'm glad to see that you spent some time doing a little bible study--it's something WE ALL CAN BENEFIT FROM at this or any other time.

You're an effective debater AuntyM--We just need to get you on the winning teams side.

Just got back from a fishing trip again and first thing I see is the Democratic convention and Al Gore whining about the 2000 election and second I open this thread....You guys actually believe this stuff? WOW...fishing again soon....keep making fools of each other..makes for good entertainment

You go girl......I need some more stimulating arguments before the next fishing trip.

Actually the Russo Islamic alliance theroy has some possibility. Revelations reveals that a large army from the North(more specific detail on location are given) attacks and isannihilated. As the world is currently shaped the only army big enough would be Russias.

Read this article if you think the West,Jews and christians are to blame for the conditions in the ME.

http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/Haim%20Harari.htm