AM - what's your point?? We all know war is terrible. We all know terrible things happened. We all know war crimes have been committed. But the focus here is on JF Kerry's lies and exagerations about his personal experriences. Was Kerry's swift boat unit involved in any of the incidents your links describe? No.

So what specifically am I referring to?
http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php?topic=WarCrimes


Those guilty of war crimes should be dealt with. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with people making ALL honorable soldiers - the majority of men who were not involved in war crimes - into horrible criminals for their own agenda.

Getting Lib to stay on point is like filleting a Jellyfish. Possible but real messy :p


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU AUG 12, 2004 21:01:21 ET XXXXX

JANUARY -- NOT CHRISTMAS -- KERRY IN CAMBODIA

**Exclusive**

TOUR OF DUTY author and John Kerry historian Doug Brinkley is rushing a piece for the NEW YORKER: to set-the-record-straight on Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia tale, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry has turned to author Brinkley for a "modification" after it was exposed that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968, as he once claimed from the Senate floor.

The Brinkley piece for the NEW YORKER will now say that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas, but rather in January, publishing sources tell DRUDGE.

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Since the early 1970s, Kerry has spoken and written of how he was illegally ordered to enter Cambodia. Kerry mentioned it in the floor of the Senate in 1986 when he charged that President Reagan’s actions in Central America were leading the U.S. in another Vietnam. Here’s what he said as excerpted from the new book, UNFIT FOR COMMAND:

"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me."

John O’Neil’s, author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, comments on the “clarification:”

“John Kerry describes Christmas Eve in Cambodia as a critical turning point in his life. We now know that his story is completely false. My question is how many people do you know have invented a turning point, one that is seared in his memory? While it makes sense for John Kerry to come clean about the Cambodia story, it is one of several tales that the Kerry campaign will have to face and clarify.”

“By claiming we were engaged in a war crime and crossing international borders, John Kerry damaged the credibility of all the commanding officers above him and insulted the sailors who served with him,” said John O’Neill, member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.”

Developing...

TK, c'mon now, we all know Kerry is a very credible and respectable person. He'd never lie, exagerate, and falsify reports just for his political aspirations. How dare you! LOL

LOL PP, if you truly have a problem with someone using the military for their own political gain, then I'm sure you thoroughly renounce Bouche and Co. LOL

If Kerry used the military for political gain as you suggest, he did so in a manner that shortened the war and saved potentially thousands of lives. Unless you can submit some credible evidence that his actions cost lives.

Bouche is using the military in a manner that's costing more and more lives everyday, and that's not considering the numbers of innocent civilians being lost. Nor is it taking into account how he's essentially cut funding for veteran's benefits, including those maimed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's a fact the military is a pawn for every politician. Some obtain positive results in return, others negative.

LOL.


"Kerry NEVER said "all" soldiers were guilty of acts of atrocities. Show me where he said "ALL" in the transcripts!"


I'm sure that made my dad and countless other honorable soldiers feel much better knowing that, as they were spit on and insulted by the hippie protestors on their return from duty.

GH - once again using the "but Bush did this..." instead of confronting Kerry's actions.


"If Kerry used the military for political gain as you suggest, he did so in a manner that shortened the war and saved potentially thousands of lives. Unless you can submit some credible evidence that his actions cost lives."

"Potentially" saved thousands of lives??? That's certainly debatable. But then again, not comforting or debatable to the thousands killed and the million fleeing refugees after the US abandoned the South Vientnamese... I'm sure Jkerry is their hero....

This from Andrew Antippos in this morning's Washington Times:

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"Finally, concerning the assertion that Mr. Kerry was shot at by the Khmer Rouge during his Christmas 1968 visit to Cambodia, it should be noted that the Khmer Rouge didn't take the field until the Easter Offensive of 1972, when the Vietnamese forces that had attacked the Cambodians initially in March 1970 pulled out of Cambodia to attack the U.S. and Vietnamese forces in Vietnam. Only Vietnamese Communist soldiers were found on the battlefields of Cambodia in 1970-72."

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PP - sure it's debatable, but it's logical. Stop the war and the killing of soldiers stops. Let the politicians in charge continue unchecked, the war continues and soldiers continue dieing. I don't know the time period your father was there, but he could have not come home at all if the war continued.

It was not meant to justify Kerry's actions against Bouche's. It was meant to point out your inconsistency if you are supporting Bouche because of your perception of his treatment towards veterans.

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Actually, Hanoi John Kerry is the North Vietnamese communists (VC) hero---they acknowledge that his war protesting with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War helped them gain control of South Vietnam and they actually have a picture of him in a communist museum in Ho Chi Minh city---take a look:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38948

Viva Le Ho Chi Minh city!---Hanoi John "Pierre" Kerry

No. The NK don't recognize Kerry as a hero, the not-so-swifts are trying to spin him into a NK hero.

What he and McCain did by going back there was instrumental in closing the loop for thousands of American families. Only anti-Americans can't see what good that did to erase the pain and suffering from that war.

Ya know, if Bouche could find a record to run on himself, he wouldn't need his goons and thugs to continually keep trying to spin something that happened 35 years ago.