Like it or not we are in Iraq and need to do things right. The objective there is Balck and white on the part of the enemy and our response needs to be stop or be killed . If Bush is letting politics stop him from taking the correct action shame on him. If Kerry is using that to try and win the white house shame on him. If either one continues to say they care about the troops and this country and continue to play politics with the war we the people need to rise up and let them know its not acceptable.


Kerry Accuses Bush of Hiding Troops Plan


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Sep 17, 3:15 PM (ET)

By MARY DALRYMPLE

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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Democratic Sen. John Kerry on Friday accused the Bush administration of hiding a plan to mobilize more National Guard and reserve troops after the election while glossing over a worsening conflict in Iraq.

"He won't tell us what congressional leaders are now saying, that this administration is planning yet another substantial call-up of reservists and guard units immediately after the election," Kerry said. "Hide it from people through the election, then make the move."

The Democratic presidential candidate listed examples where he sees Bush misleading voters about Iraq, seeking to turn the conflict into a liability for Bush even as the president polishes his credentials as the best candidate to deter terrorists and protect the nation. Kerry portrayed the president as out of touch with a serious and dangerous situation.

"With all due respect to the president, has he turned on the evening news lately? Does he read the newspapers?" Kerry said. "Does he really know what's happening? Is he talking about the same war that the rest of us are talking about?"


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Kerry spoke as the House's top Democrat said the president should "stop being in denial" about escalating problems in Iraq.

"It's clear that this administration didn't know what it was getting into, or else they grossly misrepresented the facts to the American people," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "In either case, staying the course is not an option."

Kerry said the president is avoiding hard truths about troops casualties, new insurgencies and troop shortages.

"He doesn't tell us that with each passing day, we're seeing more chaos, more violence, more indiscriminate killings. He won't tell us that the Pentagon itself has reported that entire regions of Iraq are now in the hands of terrorists and insurgents where they weren't before," Kerry said. "He won't tell us that, day by day, we're running out of soldiers and that we're now resorted to a backdoor draft of our reservists and our National Guard."

Kerry's assertion about troop deployments after the election drew an immediate denial from the president's re-election campaign.


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"John Kerry's conspiracy theory of a secret troop deployment is completely irresponsible," said spokesman Steve Schmidt. "John Kerry didn't launch this attack when he spoke to the National Guard because he knows they know it is false and ridiculous."

Kerry's campaign also intensified its criticism of the vice president and defense contractor Halliburton, the company Cheney used to lead, as an aspect of the administration's management of the war.

"Dick Cheney's old company, Halliburton, has profited from the mess in Iraq at the expense of American troops and taxpayers," Kerry said.

In a new television ad, which went on the air Friday in Oregon and other battleground states, the Democrat suggests that Cheney has conflicts of interest stemming from money he received from Halliburton under a deferred compensation agreement.

The ad also contends that Halliburton wasted taxpayer money, in contracts awarded without competitive bidding, that could have been better used at home. Several investigations have found evidence of overcharging or raised questions about the company's performance.


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The Bush-Cheney campaign denied any conflicts of interest existed for Cheney, saying that deferred compensation agreements aren't uncommon and that the vice president has no influence on contracts awarded to his former employer.

A new radio ad running in New Hampshire and Florida says "the Saudi royal family appreciates the support" when Americans fill up their tanks at gas stations. "Who does the royal family support? George W. Bush and Dick Cheney."

The radio ad says that "No administration's ever been so close to big oil and foreign oil," and that the Bush administration "gives Saudi Prince Bandar classified briefings."

What should be done and what should be said in a politically correct context during an election year are two different things. Kerry has made it clear that he is not going tot cut and run. But after what Cheney and others have said during and since the RNC, questioning Kerry's characther and that by voting him in would lead to more terrorist attacks, I don't see how you can point to Kerry and say that he should be silent about how he differs from Bush on this war.

Part of the problem is we do not understand where Kerry is on this war. He supports it then he does not then he says if elected he would get UN help and leave in a year then he says wrong war wrong place wrong time. Where is he exactly? Secndly if you think islamofacist are stupid just look at the escalation between now and the eclections. It's like a kid when they know mom and dad disagree they drive down the middle of the two and get them fighting with each other. Except here people are getting killed. Both need to know the American people will not stand for it and that if the command in Irag says we need 100k more troops yeaterday and a iron fist approach that Bush will sign up for it and Kerry will support it.

So, its ok what Cheney said but not Kerry?

In the context of this thread how does what Cheney said effect the war effort the Troops or Iraq. Vs Kerry keeping a floating opinion and policy on the war politicizing every move we make?

If what Cheney said does then it needs to stop yesterday btw.

While the title of the thread implies - no politicizaiton by either party of the war, you seem to think that its ok for Bush / Cheney to attack their opponent's charachter and position but it's not ok for Kerry to fight back. I think Kerry is the one that's taken the higher ground about attempting to do what your implying, not the other way around. All you have to do is replay the conventions.

Kerry is not hamstrung from taking action or not taking action resulting in the death of troops or extending the war based on politics so it is naturally a little one sided.

You know, I am probably going to get hammered for this post but I have to say it:
Kerry's latest campaign speach is now saying that BUSH is hiding a plan to call up more troops.

He has also said that BUSH is misleading us on the war in Iraq.

BUSH is losing the war on terror.

BUSH is failing our economy.

Bush is losing jobs in America

Next it will be BUSH is a liar, liar and his pants are on fire!

Well Mr Kerry you have told me a lot about what you think of President Bush, why don't you try saying something about yourself?? I know of three things that Candidate Kerry has said he will do if elected. He will put the Federal government in charge of healthcare, he is going to cut defense spending and he is going to raise my taxes!!

UM, did you watch the DNC and have you looked at his website? The negative stuff had to be stepped up given that during the RNC, it was totally about Kerry and said almost nothing about what they're going to do, other than to strut their shoulders and claim that they're better at the war on terror because they had the guts to blow up Iraq.

AM,
I hate to say it but you just made my point. You just listed your opinion about GW on THREE issues and came back with ONE item about Kerry!

And no Jeff, I didn't watch the DNC and no haven't been to his website. But before you start beating me up over that, I didn't watch the RNC and haven't been to GW's website either. Why?????? How many of those "News" items on either of those websites did they write? Why do I want to watch a convention so I can hear a bunch of democrats tell me how great Kerry is and how messed up Bush is, or the RNC so a bunch of republicans can tell me how great Bush is and how messed up Kerry is. I don't care what Joe Scmoe writes on either of there websites, until I hear either one of them say with their own words what they are going to do, it doesn't mean squat. Why did George Sr. loose to Clinton? "Read my lips, no new taxes!" When you hear them say it you can hold them accountable. It just seems to me (in my admittedly biased opinion) the Senator Kerry is telling us an awful lot about where Bush has screwed up and very little about what he plans on doing to fix it.

I am not trying to beat you up UM. You come across as very rational. The only reason that I asked about his website is that is where you will find some of those details about what he is going to do, but your point is well taken.

Take away the top 2% and see how many jobs you have left. England and a host of liberal European countries tried to shift the tax burden to the "rich" and look what happened to them. More off shore companies than on shore and a host of dodges to avoid taxes at all. They tried to socialize medicine and the rich got health care elsewhere and the middleclass and poor where left with avg care. What is that old saying those that forget histories lessons are condemned to repeat the mistakes. We can look at what Kerry is doing with Iraq and its the same thing he did with Vietnam. His tax and spend programs have been tried in Europe for 70 years and have driven it in the dumper while we grew like a madman.

You don't really believe that Bush has leveled with the American people about Iraq do you?
He has not and is not willing to take responsibility for any of his mistakes! What president in the last 50 years has not made mistakes?
As far as health care goes it's for certain that if it continues to be status quo we will face ever rising costs! At this point I'm willing to try just about anyone else if it might save some money.
I don't think Kerry will cut defense spending either. The SDI program absolutely needs to be cut because it's just a waste of money and will not work. Why do we need it?
No one can disagree that there is not some pork that can be cut out of any program including defense.
George Bush has been a miserable failure as president and you know it. That's why he and the GOP use negative campaign tactics becuase he has no record to run on. Did you notice that Reagan didn't resort to that stuff in 84? Bush Sr. did in 92 because HE had no record to run on either.
I would love seeing this campaign get back to issues and issues alone.

Just curious, but why do I keep getting phone calls about my home security system from people in India? Who sent the jobs over there?

But it is okay that Kerry wants you to buy your medicine from Canada? Last time I checked Canada was a foreign Country too. Wouldn't that put employees of the US drug makers out of work?

Geez!!! Don't you get it? The price of Rx drugs are skyrocketing and seniors cannot afford them! Why not wake up the drug company fat cats and make them get reasonable about costs? Oh, I know because they support Bush right?

Aunty's right on the money with that one!!!

Because fewer people are actively seeking work. In other words, they've given up or settled for lower paying jobs. However, there is still a net loss of jobs, and it's even worse when considering the increase in population vs. job creation. The "unemployment rate" is only one part of the economic picture.

Yup Harley hit the nail on the head. The fact is that there are almost a million less jobs for working people now than when Bush took office. The unemployment number changes when people who have been looking for work unsuccessfully for a long time drop off the roles. This means there are a lot of hidden unemployed and a lot of underemployed out there.
Job growth has been nonexistent. The economy has to create somewhere around 250,000 jobs per month just to stay even with increased population. I think the most it has done is around 350.000 and that only one month or so.