Anybody besides me think that this clown is a Muslim plant?What do you think?

Even as a Republican, I wonder if he is just really a good politican, doing whatever he thinks the people want, as opposed to doing whatever the big corporations want. I liked clinton, though I disagreed with a lot of politics, because in the end he just took the middle road and tried to keep every one happy. Example... Said he wanted gays in the military, then took the dont tell approach. Kept the liberals at bay, without really changing anything.
In the end, I am more worried about having a mormon in office. If I am wrong about this, please tell me where, but this is my understanding of Mormonism. While most mormons I know are really nice people, you can't ignore the fact that they believe in direct revealation of God, trumping any and all other written or traditional beliefs. What this means, is that if you are a true believer, You believe that the head prophet is God's direct spokesperson. Take in to account that they feel this direct revealation can change any written belief, then you have the potential of a presidentail candidate that may believe that he must do what ever the Prophet says, and that could actually be anything. It is different than almost any mainstream religion, in that muslims and christians generally look to the written word to check on the oral word. In other words, while interpetation may change the way the religion is used, generally if the bible contradicts the a religious leader, people can choose and are actually told to ignore the leader. While there are still extremists, this is not the norm. In Mormonism, the norm (requirement) is to follow the word of the prophet without any restrictions. If he contradicts the bible, this is cause the bible is wrong, or God has changed the application. If the book of Mormon is contradicted, then God has changed his mind about how he wants to do something, or some other excuse is used.

Any time there is no absolute, the potential for abuse is present. In Mormonism the only absolute would be the word of the Prophet. It is just as scary as a Devout Muslim who believes that his leader is the only person who can interpet the Koran and therefore believes what ever he says. For that matter anyone of any religion that does not have the ability to draw his or her conclusions from an absolute scares me. You might not like christians or moslems, but at least the absolute from which they should be drawing there conclusions is open for you to look at. Then it is up to you to decide if you like how that person is interpeting those absolutes. In other words, we are electing the person who will be deciding how he believes, not a person who is supposed to let another person decide how he believes.

I know this is a lengthy and not well written post, but hopefully someone can understand what my concern is.

I heard that Chelsea Clinton asked a returning vet from a tour in Iraq what scared him the most and he replied that he was scared of only 3 things:

1) Osama
2) Obama
3) Your mama.

Clinton just gave gays in the military a different name. They used to be called " Sailors "..

Are you saying Obama is a Mormon ?? Oh where is TheKing when you need him. I live in the shadow of the temple ( Idaho has more Mormons per capita than Utah ) Its not a religion, its a Cult. I have many Mormon freinds ( My wifes family is Mormon ) and if you get into the inner workings of that cult, you will find some serious thinking flaws. They are without question some strange ducks. Example: A man is a God on earth, the woman is his servant, and can only go to this God on earths Kingdom if he askes her too. I could go way into it but in short, they are basing their beliefs on what a drunken loser had someone else write ( J Smith was Illiterate ) Its a cult about men for men written by men. The soccor moms in this country get wind of a few of these facts, and dude is done. They have changed the rules and beliefs to suite their economy so many times its a joke.

All on the theory that there are solid gold tablets buried in New York that were given to some dude named Smith about 150 years ago, and nobody can see them you just have to believe they are there. ( The guy would sit behind a curtain with rocks in his eyes ( seeing stones) and tell this other guy what to write. The other guys wife read what they were writting and was so freaked out she took the writings and hide them. They had no choice but to kill her because they had to start over, and if the original surfaced and contradicted the current version, he would be screwed) Its all very intersting stuff in a train wreck sort of way.

A devout Mormon man, views all other men as future fireballs in hell. Only Mormen men will be going to their concept of heaven ( your own personal kingdom) and non mormon women are viewed as less than that. Its goofy as a football batt.

My wifes Grandfather and Grandmother were very devout Mormons.. dead serious about it and spent hours and hours explaining and trying convert me. Old Granpa was a Bishop, and once he got rolling it was almost evil. I pulled a hit and run and hauled off a pretty hot chick from a life where you serve your man and no questions asked. Start pumping out kids and doing what your told. She could line it all out for you, but from about the age she could walk and talk she was filled with this crap every single day. Her Granpa teh Bishop spent a ton of his time praying for individual dead people and believed if he did that they would in fact be concidered converted to Mormonizum post humis. How screwed up is that ??

Obama is a Mormon ??? He has ZERO chance, hell, it was only a short time ago that Obama could not even be a Mormon because he is not white.

If your a Mormon and your offended, sorry about that. You raise good familys with totally screwed up beliefs, and your beliefs are offensive to every single other person in the world that conciders themselves " Christian".

For a good read pick up a copy of " Momma and me".. Spooky.

Mitt Romney is the morman not Obama. As for Obama being a muslim plant - no, I don't believe that.

So what do you think of Bush? Was he a Halliburton or Enron Plant? What about treason in the outting of CIA operative involving his administration? Did You vote for GWB and feel that he represents the character of a President of your choice? Do you feel that all Muslims are your enemy and you want them all dead? Do you feel that Iraq had WMD and was a participant in 911? Do you feel it's OK to continue to occupy and kill innocent civilans (women and Children) in their own country if our reason for justification were based on lies? Would you consider Bush a clown? Does Race automatically qualify a candidate to Clown status in America?

Anybody beside me think that this thread smells racist and advocates fear and distrust? Is this thread a plant to attract racist, and foster ignorance and further division in our Country?

I agree with what Aunty and Krijack said. He's (Obama) kinda like all other politician. Doing what his handlers tell him, and as a good politican, doing whatever he thinks the people want, as opposed to doing whatever the big corporations wants as Bush so obediently does..

I probably won't vote for Obama, but it won't be because he is the clown of the bunch. I remain an Independant, but leaning more towards Republican Fred Thompson at this time, unless he screws up and does a McCain.

Not trying to start anything, but had to seek more clearity with your intentions for his thread.
My .02

I'll give it to Obama...I've read a few of his speeches in my leadership class, and some more on my own. That man can write some damn good speeches, and can blow people away witht hem...
As of how good of a politician he cuold be, that I'm unsure of...

Nookie is either attempting to 'stir the pot'... purely for entertainment purposes... or he's a victim of conservative talk radio would be my guess.

9 replies so far should help bolster his self-esteem when it come to the subject of killing threads.

If you even think of voting for him, understand the Koran first, then you can make an informed opinion.

Even if you're just pretendin' to be informed... you'd know that he isn't even Muslim... so what good would understanding (if that's even possible???) the Koran do?

Maybe some folks just gotta pretend a little better...

And even if he was muslim????????????????/

Sounds like a JIHAD on the PPBB.

When a group of religious zealots declare " Death to all non believers" and sends their own people to their own deaths to accomplish that goal, Yes I do distrust them and their backward religion. Has nothing to do with RACE.. Yea, I'm conservative, but I don't listen to talk radio, conservative or liberal. I don't care what his race is, but his religion is something we ALL need to be afraid of. I don't think we should be in Iraq. I am not a right wing zealot, but if someone's religion tells them to kill me, my family , my countrymen, I'm certainly not going to vote for a candidate who was raised Muslim.. Bush is nothing more than a corporate puppet.. Clinton is just as scary as Obama.If she gets in she'll hand over the keys to the kingdom. I only hope Fred Thompson does indeed run, as he has my vote.. Not trying to "stir the pot "for my own amusement. Just wanted to hear what other people thought about "that fresh-faced young Democrat" that has all the liberals hearts aflutter.

He's a fresh face. He's young and smart. He speaks very well.

That should get him some attention.

But it's early, and there's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip. Remember how late in the game it was when Bill Clinton appeared on the radar?

Whether he was raised in a Muslim home is of no concern to me. It's what he believes now that counts. We used to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. That was then, this is now. If you haven't learned anything and changed your views on anything since you left mom and dad's house, then your head is in the sand.

At this point, my ideal race would be between Fred Thompson and Bill Richardson. But I'm not even paying attention yet.

John Lee, I didn't refer to any race other than the one for the president.

The one thing about Obama is that we now have an African American citizen that appears to have more integrity that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. I recently read a column by Clarence Page that brought this up. It seems that when ever an issue of race comes up, such as the Imus fiasco, Al and Jesse are the only visible people that are quoted. Their strident bleating has made them worse than no voice from that part of our racial organic stew.
Would Ivote for Obama - yea maybe but it's way too early to even think about it.
The Fugs had a song back in the '60's that said that we end up voting for the lesser of two evils - somethings never change.

I'd take Obama over Hillary any day....

A man with integrity is precisely who we need in office, and a man with integrity knows this is true. I am convinced that The Esteemed Mr Thompson is just sitting back, waiting for the rest of the fools to hang themselves, ready to jump in and lead us all back to the path of righteousness, and back to the place where our great nation should be. Leaders of the free world. I along with many many others are hoping he will announce his candidacy. Fred Thopmson in '08!

Nookie,

Barak went to a muslim school for a few years as a child, as his family lived in a predominately muslim nation, muslim schools are their equivalent to catholic schools in the western world. Obama is a self proclaimed christian. Keith Ellison is the guy that I think you should be losing sleep over, (if you're afraid of mulims, anyway) he was sworn in on the Qur'an.

The USA is not ready for a black president, the USA is not ready for a woman president. And Edwards is too vanilla. I think you all should take a close look at Mr. Thompsons positions on issues and you might think twice...

4Salt, it was a good laugh to see how fast you responded to my post just after the one where you accused someone of stirring the pot. Your button is as easy to push as my 13 year old daughter.

I'm still waiting to find out why dinosaurs didn't exist.

He's tall dark & handsome and he has a clean slate because he hasnt been around long enough to get caught for all the kick-backs he's been getting from Monsanto & Archer Daniels Midland.

Why do you think he's such a staunch ally of Ethanol?

Now you know who holds his leash.

There's a good article about it in Harpers a few months back. He's just as bad as the rest of them. The way this coming election is shaping up I may abstain from casting a vote for President for the first time in my life. He gets elected it'll trade an Oil Company Stooge for a Biotech Giant Stooge. Get ready for Food prices to do what gas prices have been doing.

Book It!

Forest Whitaker can play him in his next movie.

That's precisely the problem with politics. I don't want to vote for a lesser of two evils. I want to vote for someone who's worth a [censored]. And we haven't seen one of those since John F Kennedy

I will not vot for Hillary or Gulliani. I'll vote for some fringe lunatic before I drop a vote for either one of those crooks.

I have an ugly feeling that I may have to vote for either Obama or Hillary as a lesser evil, as so many have put it. Fred Thompson sounds pretty common sensical. I presume that means he doesn't have the slightest chance of being on the ballet. I looked at some of the FT report stuff, but didn't see his position on the environment, gay rights, or abortion. His social positions would be important in my consideration. It's hard to find a fiscal conservative/social liberal any more.

A muslim plant. Cmon you cant be serious and if you are, how do you get internet way up in the backwoods?

OK Big Jim, you can vote for the candidate that was raised in a Muslim family, I for one will not. You haven't notice that there is a war going on in the world with muslims? So sure, he claims he has converted to christianity, but I am not buying it. Once a muslim always a muslim. And yes, there is internet in the backwoods of EVERETT. Let me guess.. liberal democrat?

Hey ND,

Nowadays calling someone a liberal Democrat just isn't as insulting as calling them a 'conservative' Republican.

Or hadn't you noticed...

You go ahead and believe whatever Rush and Mark Levin tell you to believe about Obama.

I don't listen to either one of them or any other form of "conservative" talk radio, nor do I read "conservative" publications.I don't need someone else to tell me how to think.
Keep listening to Decaprio, Clooney, Penn, and all of the other hollywood wuses if it makes you feel better......

I personally dont want obama to win, Id rather see Clinton. Anyways though, a muslim plant is just ridiculous, what would a muslim plant do? Anyways muslims are not the enemy, its extremist muslims. Thats like me saying because you believe in Jesus and God that you also believe that you are a Jehovahs Witness, Catholic, or a Mormon.

My point is just because they read the same book, it dont mean they are the same. Religion and politics, thats great I heard someone say something about talking about those.

Anyways, Obama as a muslim plant.... is the equivolent of Swarzenegger being a Nazi. And if he was the muslim plant, dont you think he would either be assasinated, kicked out of office and executed, or something else? But before all that, if he did make presidency, some guy would assasinate him because he is black, not because he is or was a muslim.

At war with muslims. Sure, are at war with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the multiple other countries in the middle east. We are at war with radical muslims who are pissed at the USA, and these people are a smaller amount than you think.

Afghanistan was fine,
Iraq a mistake, lie, and total screw up. If the people of Iraq didnt want to push saddam out, the way we pushed the british out? Than that is their problem. Worried about Al Qaida? Lot more there now than before.

There is many other countries we should invade(liberate) other than Iraq. North Korea for one, Iran, or any of the african nations in a civil war.

Oh and I dont listen to the media for my politics. A oldtimer taught me about politics, he was a democrat for a long time, than he switched to republican. When i knew him he was a republican, I consider myself democrat, but would go independant if they had a shot. Point is, before he passed he got me to vote, and to think.

We are not at war with Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. We are at war with fundamendalist muslims worldwide. It;s not just countries, but religious beliefs themselves. I don not embrace any religion. I believe religion is a pox on mankind. However, muslims are taught at a very early age that anyone who does not embrace Islam is the enemy, to be eradicated, or converted to belive as they do. If the islamic extremists could get someone in power in the US (THE GREAT SATAN), then the floodgates would be open to world domination by the Islamic faith. We cannot allow this to happen, despite what the liberal leftists would like us to believe. Obama is vanilla muslim, but muslim nonetheless.I still don't believe for one minute that he is as harmless as he seems. All the bleeding heart liberal hollyweird ACTORS cannot convince me otherwise.The way to bring down an empire is from within, and that is exactly what the Islamic fundamentalist fanatics are hoping to accomplish with the possibility of Obama getting elected to the most powerful seat in the world. The way to take down an empire is to chip away, ever so slightly at the foundation, untill it's own great weight takes it down. This entire country needs to wake up and realize that we are in the beginning stages of a struggle in which the victors will ultimately reign, I don't know about you, but I hope my children and grandchildren and their children are on the winning side. Still think I'm nuts? Read the Koran.. Then maybe you will wake up and realize that I'm not spouting "right wing fanatasism" but in fact the truth that Islam wants to be the dominant faith and way of life on this planet. Y'know, the problem with being an ostrich?...You never can see whose sneaking up behind you to EAT you when your head is in the sand.. Wake Up!!!

I also believe that Obama himself is blind to the possibility that he is being manipulated for their own gains.. All he knows is the trappings of power seem to be within his grasp, and will stop at nothing to achieve what he considers to be the ultimate goal... a black man in the white house. I don't care if the most powerful office in the universe is occupied by a black, white, hispanic, asian or otherwise, I do however worry that whoever it is, must pay heed to the big picture, which is the goal of world domination
by the Islamic lunatics. I truly believe that this is the reality of the world today. Ok I don't give a sh@t if you think I'm nuts.. Just pray (if you think that will help) that your children and grandchildren don't have to face the the reality of failure in our struggle against Islamic extremists

I am going to leave this topic. It is not worth my time.

S'matter Big Jim, did I take the wind out of your sails? Come on back and explain to me why we should invade N. Korea. Should we invade Turkey too? Afghanistan was a just cause, but N.Korea?
N. Korea is caving in on itself, no reason to go there. I agree that we've got no business in Iraq. But the fact remains that we ARE in Iraq. Do you support our troops? I for one do, but then again I have a vested interest in my support.. My first born son is there, doing what our esteemed(and I use the term loosely) commander in chief deems necessary. He is a shining example of a true patriot, (my son, not Bush) but I guess you can't quite come to grips with what that means. To quote your last post, "I am going to leave this topic. It is not worth my time." Well, my son is worth a hundred fold of your time, and even then you are lacking. .... For 4 Salt.. I enjoy your posts in regard to fishing, but when it comes to political debate, you just throw a barb every now and then without any worry of having to back up your statements. I don't care if you label me as a "conservative republican", as a matter of fact, I relish the title. it still does'nt diminish my views of the world. Take off the rose colored glasses and quit whining you spineless liberal puke!

Still waiting.......C'mon you studs, let me have it!!!

Chicken [censored] liberals!

I'm still waiting .. c'mon bring it on! jellyfish!

Well, I guess that none of you guys has the stones to continue this thread. Well, good luck to you all when the muslims start taking a more active role in our ( or should I say my) own country. Hope you all are ready for daily prayer to mecca, and having your women dressed in burkas.. I can't believe you guys are so willing to throw everything our forefathers sacrificed their lives for away in a spasm of politcally correct mindlessness. And I"m quite sure that when all this crap they call Islam is knocking on your front door, you'll all be crying, "why didn't our government do anything to prevent this"? It's because you have been hiding your heads in the sand, hoping it would all just go away. and demanding our government would stop being so "hard line" in regards to immigration and foreign nationals who's only motive is to bring us down from within. Wake up !!! Sure, everyone on this planet deserves freedom, but not at the cost of ours. My son is fighting an ill advised war in Iraq, but he stands firm in his belief that he is doing something that will ensure our way of life. Go ahead, vote for the muslim, but be prepared to reap what you sow. Even if he wins and is elected to the most powerful office in the world, He won't be assasinated because he is black, and won't be assasinated because he is muslim. He will live because the dems who at this time own the majority in office will take steps to ensure their "golden boy" is far removed from harms way. This mindset will only serve to embolden the Islamic extremists to further their cause here. I'm pretty sure that the mods on this board are pretty close to pulling the plug on me, and they are within their rights to do so. Even if they do, I will be rest assured that I have said what I believe is true, and once again I say, "When you're an ostrich with your head in the sand, you can never see who is sneaking up behind you to KILL you"!!!

Aunty brought out her whuppin stick just for me. I am honored.
At the risk of wasting bandwidth, I say this... Polls have Obama
in 2nd place, hovering around 20 to 25 percent. A guess alot of people still think he is a viable candidate. And yes, there is no proof that he is a muslim, at the same time there is no proof he is a christian.. Oh, wait, there is! He SAID he was a christian.. My Bad! He is a politician, and therefore is a liar, just like us fisher folk. The best part of all this is we can chose to believe, or disbelieve as we see fit. I chose the latter. True, indoctrination often fails, but at the same time, it sometimes does'nt fail. Why take the chance. As for raising the average Muslim's standard of living, that is what our country is attempting to do in Iraq, but for some reason, they don't seem to want any part of it.. The smell of camel dung fires must be extremely intoxicating...either that or detrimental to higher brain function. As far as reality goes, everyone has their own sense of reality and much of that reality is based in fact, not perception. Thanks Aunty for showing me the error of my ways.

Is Fred Thompson still your candidate of choice should he decide to run? I certainly hope he does.

ND,

I didn't know you were numbered among the delusional conservatives. You have my condolences. Like Aunty pointed out regarding your silly challenges, it's a holiday weekend. Most of us went fishing, visited friends or family, or otherwise lived that major portion of our lives that is not the internet and it's bulletin boards.

Let's see, Obama says he's a Christian, but you think he might be lying. Hmmm, George Bush say's he's a born again Christian, and by his actions I'm quite certain he's a liar. OK, all that means is that politician might lie, about religion and anything else.

While I don't think Obama is electable, I'd vote for him if the other choice is another Republican wack job like Bush. As for Muslims, I view all religions with equal suspicion. Although I'm far beyond the age of enlistment, I'll happily take up arms personally against any Muslim or other religious lunatic (like some members or former members of the current administration) that tries to do me or my family any harm. We may almost have some common ground there.

Sg

Salmo, I respect you as you have given this forum much in the way of sage advice and and timely info regarding the state of our fishing resources. As far as my challenges being silly,they're only silly if you look at them in the wrong light.Taken correctly, they should serve as a wake up to all the liberal left wingers out there. If you check the dates, they were posted before the weekend officially began, and go back farther than that. I know that most people were out enjoying the extended weekend, and that's cool. Some of us don't have the luxury of extended weekends, and I envy those who do. So this board is the only outlet I have to the world outside of running my own small business. Pathetic?? Hell yes.. But I pay the cost to be the boss.. seven days a week. Have you ever tried to start your own business? It's a tough row to hoe... Therefore, if I am to be considered part of some kind of "lunatic fringe", there must be a real reason for that. You state that you distrust any religion, well there my friend is common ground.. Religion is what keeps this entire world in a constant state of turmoil. Organized religion of any denomination is the scourge of mankind.This whole thread was aimed at those types who believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy, and believe that "live and let live" is the univesal truth...

Grossie O'Dunderhead!! Yea that's the type LMAO!!

Somebody has been huffing the Herring Smelly Jelly again.

I did enjoy his speach on health care today. The man can talk. Then, I flipped the channel. and G.W was blubbering away about something. I can't even listen to that stooge anymore.

Reasons why I mighi vote for Obama:

He's Not George Bush

or Sam Brownback
or Tom Tancredo
or Mitt Romney
or Duncan Hunter
or Jim Gilmore
or Tommy Thompson
or Mike Huckabee



I just wish he WAS Bill Richardson.

Hey Nookie... you ain't gonna get yer panties in a bunch again and 'challenge' any liberals over this... are ya?

If so... I'm gonna be up in Alaska at the end of next week... so if I don't get back to you right away... that's why.

S'okay Salt, I can wait...

I'll vote for obama. He is actually the first politician that I've been excited about for a long time... maybe ever. The guy is smart and he's not George Bush.
I agree that he is young and inexperienced, but that may be what the country needs to get us back on the right track. Too many crusty old politicians doing the SOS year in and year out. It's old. It's time for change.
Neal

Well, I guess I should have known the liberals would rise up in anger to smite the heathen conservative knuckle draggers who dare to smear the board with their filth. Whats funny is most people who disagree with me have never met me. Those who have don't consider me a knuckle dragger. Knuckle head from time to time maybe. Feel free to disagree.. Dosen't bother me in the least. And yes , almost anyone would be an improvement over the current dumb assed corporate puppet who now resides in the seat of power. Aren't ALL politicians lame ass tools, each with thier own set of handlers? Yes, even the esteemed Obama has an agenda. Yes, I did say ALMOST anyone, not just anyone.
Anyone but Obama. Or Hillary.

Dude.

Check out this thread. It's four pages long.

You ain't no thread killer no more.

Quite frankly, I'm stunned and amazed.

Aunty, any guy that pays over 20 bucks for a haircut deserves no respect. I agree that Hillary will be tough on him. It's kind of fun though to watch the politicians slit eachothers throats....

AuntyM,

Apparently Edwards, a former VP candidate no less, is about the weakest Democratic candidate when it comes to understanding US foreign policy. I had no idea until recently that he was so ignorant. After having an idiot in the White House for 8 years, I'd prefer the next president not only have a brain, but be able to demonstrate that it's been used to analyze and understand the major elements of the job.

Sg

Ed Asner???

Do you think this man is gonna take any PC crap?

This just keeps on going......

Hopefully, so does Fred Thompson. He's all about US!

Doesn't he live in Elma?

Andrew Jackson was not old and crusty.

RVW

Auntie, we're all waiting to see what he's gonna get

Hey KK at least I do have the sack to post...