4Salt, it was a good laugh to see how fast you responded to my post just after the one where you accused someone of stirring the pot. Your button is as easy to push as my 13 year old daughter.

I'm still waiting to find out why dinosaurs didn't exist.

He's tall dark & handsome and he has a clean slate because he hasnt been around long enough to get caught for all the kick-backs he's been getting from Monsanto & Archer Daniels Midland.

Why do you think he's such a staunch ally of Ethanol?

Now you know who holds his leash.

There's a good article about it in Harpers a few months back. He's just as bad as the rest of them. The way this coming election is shaping up I may abstain from casting a vote for President for the first time in my life. He gets elected it'll trade an Oil Company Stooge for a Biotech Giant Stooge. Get ready for Food prices to do what gas prices have been doing.

Book It!

Forest Whitaker can play him in his next movie.

That's precisely the problem with politics. I don't want to vote for a lesser of two evils. I want to vote for someone who's worth a [censored]. And we haven't seen one of those since John F Kennedy

I will not vot for Hillary or Gulliani. I'll vote for some fringe lunatic before I drop a vote for either one of those crooks.

I have an ugly feeling that I may have to vote for either Obama or Hillary as a lesser evil, as so many have put it. Fred Thompson sounds pretty common sensical. I presume that means he doesn't have the slightest chance of being on the ballet. I looked at some of the FT report stuff, but didn't see his position on the environment, gay rights, or abortion. His social positions would be important in my consideration. It's hard to find a fiscal conservative/social liberal any more.

A muslim plant. Cmon you cant be serious and if you are, how do you get internet way up in the backwoods?

OK Big Jim, you can vote for the candidate that was raised in a Muslim family, I for one will not. You haven't notice that there is a war going on in the world with muslims? So sure, he claims he has converted to christianity, but I am not buying it. Once a muslim always a muslim. And yes, there is internet in the backwoods of EVERETT. Let me guess.. liberal democrat?

Hey ND,

Nowadays calling someone a liberal Democrat just isn't as insulting as calling them a 'conservative' Republican.

Or hadn't you noticed...

You go ahead and believe whatever Rush and Mark Levin tell you to believe about Obama.

I don't listen to either one of them or any other form of "conservative" talk radio, nor do I read "conservative" publications.I don't need someone else to tell me how to think.
Keep listening to Decaprio, Clooney, Penn, and all of the other hollywood wuses if it makes you feel better......

I personally dont want obama to win, Id rather see Clinton. Anyways though, a muslim plant is just ridiculous, what would a muslim plant do? Anyways muslims are not the enemy, its extremist muslims. Thats like me saying because you believe in Jesus and God that you also believe that you are a Jehovahs Witness, Catholic, or a Mormon.

My point is just because they read the same book, it dont mean they are the same. Religion and politics, thats great I heard someone say something about talking about those.

Anyways, Obama as a muslim plant.... is the equivolent of Swarzenegger being a Nazi. And if he was the muslim plant, dont you think he would either be assasinated, kicked out of office and executed, or something else? But before all that, if he did make presidency, some guy would assasinate him because he is black, not because he is or was a muslim.

At war with muslims. Sure, are at war with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the multiple other countries in the middle east. We are at war with radical muslims who are pissed at the USA, and these people are a smaller amount than you think.

Afghanistan was fine,
Iraq a mistake, lie, and total screw up. If the people of Iraq didnt want to push saddam out, the way we pushed the british out? Than that is their problem. Worried about Al Qaida? Lot more there now than before.

There is many other countries we should invade(liberate) other than Iraq. North Korea for one, Iran, or any of the african nations in a civil war.

Oh and I dont listen to the media for my politics. A oldtimer taught me about politics, he was a democrat for a long time, than he switched to republican. When i knew him he was a republican, I consider myself democrat, but would go independant if they had a shot. Point is, before he passed he got me to vote, and to think.

We are not at war with Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. We are at war with fundamendalist muslims worldwide. It;s not just countries, but religious beliefs themselves. I don not embrace any religion. I believe religion is a pox on mankind. However, muslims are taught at a very early age that anyone who does not embrace Islam is the enemy, to be eradicated, or converted to belive as they do. If the islamic extremists could get someone in power in the US (THE GREAT SATAN), then the floodgates would be open to world domination by the Islamic faith. We cannot allow this to happen, despite what the liberal leftists would like us to believe. Obama is vanilla muslim, but muslim nonetheless.I still don't believe for one minute that he is as harmless as he seems. All the bleeding heart liberal hollyweird ACTORS cannot convince me otherwise.The way to bring down an empire is from within, and that is exactly what the Islamic fundamentalist fanatics are hoping to accomplish with the possibility of Obama getting elected to the most powerful seat in the world. The way to take down an empire is to chip away, ever so slightly at the foundation, untill it's own great weight takes it down. This entire country needs to wake up and realize that we are in the beginning stages of a struggle in which the victors will ultimately reign, I don't know about you, but I hope my children and grandchildren and their children are on the winning side. Still think I'm nuts? Read the Koran.. Then maybe you will wake up and realize that I'm not spouting "right wing fanatasism" but in fact the truth that Islam wants to be the dominant faith and way of life on this planet. Y'know, the problem with being an ostrich?...You never can see whose sneaking up behind you to EAT you when your head is in the sand.. Wake Up!!!

I also believe that Obama himself is blind to the possibility that he is being manipulated for their own gains.. All he knows is the trappings of power seem to be within his grasp, and will stop at nothing to achieve what he considers to be the ultimate goal... a black man in the white house. I don't care if the most powerful office in the universe is occupied by a black, white, hispanic, asian or otherwise, I do however worry that whoever it is, must pay heed to the big picture, which is the goal of world domination
by the Islamic lunatics. I truly believe that this is the reality of the world today. Ok I don't give a sh@t if you think I'm nuts.. Just pray (if you think that will help) that your children and grandchildren don't have to face the the reality of failure in our struggle against Islamic extremists

I am going to leave this topic. It is not worth my time.

S'matter Big Jim, did I take the wind out of your sails? Come on back and explain to me why we should invade N. Korea. Should we invade Turkey too? Afghanistan was a just cause, but N.Korea?
N. Korea is caving in on itself, no reason to go there. I agree that we've got no business in Iraq. But the fact remains that we ARE in Iraq. Do you support our troops? I for one do, but then again I have a vested interest in my support.. My first born son is there, doing what our esteemed(and I use the term loosely) commander in chief deems necessary. He is a shining example of a true patriot, (my son, not Bush) but I guess you can't quite come to grips with what that means. To quote your last post, "I am going to leave this topic. It is not worth my time." Well, my son is worth a hundred fold of your time, and even then you are lacking. .... For 4 Salt.. I enjoy your posts in regard to fishing, but when it comes to political debate, you just throw a barb every now and then without any worry of having to back up your statements. I don't care if you label me as a "conservative republican", as a matter of fact, I relish the title. it still does'nt diminish my views of the world. Take off the rose colored glasses and quit whining you spineless liberal puke!

Still waiting.......C'mon you studs, let me have it!!!

Chicken [censored] liberals!

I'm still waiting .. c'mon bring it on! jellyfish!

Well, I guess that none of you guys has the stones to continue this thread. Well, good luck to you all when the muslims start taking a more active role in our ( or should I say my) own country. Hope you all are ready for daily prayer to mecca, and having your women dressed in burkas.. I can't believe you guys are so willing to throw everything our forefathers sacrificed their lives for away in a spasm of politcally correct mindlessness. And I"m quite sure that when all this crap they call Islam is knocking on your front door, you'll all be crying, "why didn't our government do anything to prevent this"? It's because you have been hiding your heads in the sand, hoping it would all just go away. and demanding our government would stop being so "hard line" in regards to immigration and foreign nationals who's only motive is to bring us down from within. Wake up !!! Sure, everyone on this planet deserves freedom, but not at the cost of ours. My son is fighting an ill advised war in Iraq, but he stands firm in his belief that he is doing something that will ensure our way of life. Go ahead, vote for the muslim, but be prepared to reap what you sow. Even if he wins and is elected to the most powerful office in the world, He won't be assasinated because he is black, and won't be assasinated because he is muslim. He will live because the dems who at this time own the majority in office will take steps to ensure their "golden boy" is far removed from harms way. This mindset will only serve to embolden the Islamic extremists to further their cause here. I'm pretty sure that the mods on this board are pretty close to pulling the plug on me, and they are within their rights to do so. Even if they do, I will be rest assured that I have said what I believe is true, and once again I say, "When you're an ostrich with your head in the sand, you can never see who is sneaking up behind you to KILL you"!!!