#421750 - 03/12/08 01:10 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
[Re: Irie]
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Hillary used to be a Republican. She was a Goldwater Girl when she was a teen, I think.
As for the lack of foreign policy experience, the global political climate was much different then. Reagan and the senior Bush pushed the world toward peace without invading a country. American sentiment was good. Today, Obama would face a mine field. Russia is leveraging anti-American sentiment to get favoritism, China is building their military at an astounding pace, and then there's the Middle East. Throw in all the trade sanctions to keep American agricultural contigent intact, NAFTA, and illegal immigration, and you have a HUGE mess. It will be rough for Obama to make alliances and improve relations. I think he's up to the task. He's got that mark of intelligence that George Bush can only hope to imitate. Slick Willie had it too.
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#421760 - 03/12/08 01:41 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
[Re: Irie]
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Just agreeing with you about HRC not being a true Dem. Barry Goldwater was the Republican Presidential candidate back in 1964 against LBJ.
I also said it's going to be tougher for Obama to learn foreign policy when other countries are pissed off at America.
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#421784 - 03/12/08 03:51 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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Just agreeing with you about HRC not being a true Dem. Barry Goldwater was the Republican Presidential candidate back in 1964 against LBJ.
I also said it's going to be tougher for Obama to learn foreign policy when other countries are pissed off at America. Whoever is the next Prez, it'll be like taking over a business that's in debt up to it's eyes, has a mob of angry customers at the door, employees about to go on strike, and the cash register is stuffed full of IOU's signed by the old owner.
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#421804 - 03/12/08 05:06 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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Did we forget about Grenada, Panama, the rest of the central america, backing Iraq against Iran(wise plan). . . . . . . . .
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#421806 - 03/12/08 05:16 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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Did we forget about Grenada, Panama, the rest of the central america, backing Iraq against Iran(wise plan). . . . . . . . . Come on now...those were just like Iraq...remember? They attacked us first! Fish on... Todd
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#421808 - 03/12/08 05:28 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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Just agreeing with you about HRC not being a true Dem. Barry Goldwater was the Republican Presidential candidate back in 1964 against LBJ.
I also said it's going to be tougher for Obama to learn foreign policy when other countries are pissed off at America. Whoever is the next Prez, it'll be like taking over a business that's in debt up to it's eyes, has a mob of angry customers at the door, employees about to go on strike, and the cash register is stuffed full of IOU's signed by the old owner. Wow, that's exactly the scenario I inherited at my current job. Maybe I should run for prez. I didn't go to Vietnam, I didn't inhale, and I've been to Texas once. I went to the far east also - Nu York, Road Iland, Massachussettsss - got foreign policy covered!
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#421845 - 03/12/08 08:29 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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It's not going to matter in the general election because McCain will win Texas. It's all coming down to which party's candidate wins the toss up states. I think Clinton has a better chance to win the toss up states than Obama. I still believe McCain is going to win it all. I believe the nation would fare better with Clinton. I like to listen to Obama speak but I'm unsure of his agenda. McCain will be like Bush again. The economy will never recover because we'll still be spending our money for Iraq. You know that Iraq has a budget surplus from oil revenues. Why in the hell should the American taxpayer foot the bill to rebuild Iraq. Hell no Hillary is no Republican but she is the most moderate between the three. Yes she was a member of the Young Republicans but changed parties.
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#422140 - 03/14/08 12:31 AM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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#422170 - 03/14/08 02:57 AM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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Obama vs Clinton, on their records Let's take a closer look at who's really qualified and or who's really working for the good of all of us in the Senate. Obama or Clinton. Records of these two candidates should be scrutinized in order to make an informed decision.
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6 yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years. These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you. 1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site. 2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month. 3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor. 4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall. 5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson. 6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea. 7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day. 9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death. 10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship. 12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program. 13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda. 14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death. 15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11. 17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries. 19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care . 20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record.
Now, I would post those of Senator Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.
Senator Obama - During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced: 233 regarding healthcare reform, 125 on poverty and public assistance, 112 crime fighting bills, 97 economic bills, 60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills, 21 ethics reform bills, 15 gun control, 6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.
In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public. He's not just a talker. He's a doer.
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Here's more to chew on.
Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her ‘record,’ which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or ‘co-president’ - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes: - As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would ‘demonize’ anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn’t even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.) - Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as ‘my worst mistake.’ - Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier’s radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn. - Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committe d suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. - Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (“Filegate”) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1996, both the drug use and Hillary’s involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years. - In order to open “slots” in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for ‘gross mismanagement’ and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-m onth investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. - Another of Hil lary’s assumed duties was directing the ‘bimbo eruption squad’ and scandal defense: —- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. —- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. —- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. —- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury —- And Bill was impeached by the House. —- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, ‘I do not recall,’ ‘I have no recollection,’ and ‘ I don’t know’ 56 times under oath). - Hillary wrote ‘It Takes a Village,’ demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. - Hill ary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother’s clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. - Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. - In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the ‘woman card’ by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her. - Hillary’s husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary’s correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) - As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. - Hillary’s one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed. Quite a resume’. Sounds more like an organized crime family’s rap sheet. _________________________ "
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#422177 - 03/14/08 03:23 AM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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Seems Hillary is a lot more Bush like, when you consider the data, or facts on the ground. Sometimes less is more, true...... Although when considering Hillary and her record, it would appear that more is more of Bush. Facts man, just the fact!
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#422230 - 03/14/08 12:51 PM
Re: Clinton will Lose Texas?
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River Nutrients
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[BTW JLH you are going to make an awesome delegate for Obama. It is all good - we just disagree/ If he is nominated I will eat my words & shut up cause I want out of Iraq, I trust him to do that, I believe he will.]
Thanks, blue water pro! I concur, it's all good. I'm looking forward to the next caucus. Out of Iraq, is the mantra of the vast majority of American's this election.
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