So, current scuttlebutt is that Obama owes back taxes going back four years on one of his residences. Seems he didn't find it important enough to pay his property taxes, and it's finally catching up with him.

Some of his excuses...

1. He owns seven houses, so it's hard to keep track. Sounds like a pretty elitist statement, to me.

2. The house is actually owned by a trust that he set up. Also a lame excuse...if you're going to try and reduce your tax burden by setting up tax shelter trusts to own your many homes, you're still the one ultimately responsible for making sure that the taxes get paid.

3. It slipped his mind, and besides, he hired someone to take care of that kind of stuff, and they're the one who dropped the ball. Nice responsibility shift, but as they say, "The Buck Stops Here", and trying to stuff your responsibilities off on someone else smacks of the type of "plausible deniability" that we've been having for the past eight years...not exactly a glowing recommendation in a possible POTUS.

Do we really want someone who is this irresponsible, and pays attention to detail and his responsibilities running a corner mini-mart, much less the United States of America?

I think the most telling aspects are the elitist statements about "slipping his mind", "seven houses is a lot to remember", and "I hire people to take care of this stuff"...perhaps the allegations of elitism are true.

When the country is in the situation that millions of people are losing their one and only home, and a possible president can't "keep track because he owns seven", how can he possibly relate to the working man, the middle class...you know, most of America?

I think this behavior is reprehensible...am I alone on this one?

Fish on...

Todd

bullhead

I've got to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

$hit happens.

Mf

I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

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+1

smolts

Parr.

3. It slipped his mind, and besides, he hired someone to take care of that kind of stuff, and they're the one who dropped the ball. Nice responsibility shift, but as they say, "The Buck Stops Here", and trying to stuff your responsibilities off on someone else smacks of the type of "plausible deniability" that we've been having for the past eight years...not exactly a glowing recommendation in a possible POTUS. END QUOTE


Ive read and seen other reports that indicate, Obamas style of mgt. leans on trust and he lets you go do the job. Very scary.

Freedom to exercise your vote is important in this country. I can tell you for a fact, that voting for any third party candidates for president will send no messages. A third party candidate has effected every single presidental election since 92.

They cannot win the election because the electoral college is dedicated to winner takes all and most of these candidates dont even get on the ballot in all fifty states. A third party candidate is not going to win 50.1% of the vote in enough states to make a difference.

The only way to change that, is to go to a popular vote and they still wont win. But, in the mean time. The five or six largest states with the largest concentration of big cities and disproportionate landsides {New York} elections are not usually close} So then, you have NY. Penn. OH, FL, TX, CA will decide most of the presidential elections. Gore did get more total votes in 2000, and if you look at a red and blue country map, its simply amazing how few counties democrats have to win. Its like Pierce, king and Snohomish country, which have cost a number of republicans the election, even though they carry the vast majority of the counties. That may work for you personally, but the reverse can be true in other states. For the most part big cities and regulations that induce population density in the cities are front loading the elections. Much like tinkering with a slot machine or a set of dice. Its predictable voting. In 2010 we have another census and democrats will be in charge of that one if they control the house. Some districts are so crooked, they end up in court. Talk about stacking the deck.

It may not seem like such a big deal, but we arent drilling off the coast because a single california congresswoman is in charge of the house and none of you have any say in her re-election. Try and email her. As soon as your zip code is typed in, your letter will be rejected and you cannot send it.

doesn't matter to me what the hell he does, just don't want another 4 years of Bush aka McCain....It couldn't get any worse might as well try.

Its going to get worse, it just depends on what you hate most that news cycle.

Comparing McCain to Bush is a complete waste of time. They are not alike. Lots of people voted for Clinton over Bush and said exactly the same thing. In 76 Carter convinced voters that 4-5 % unemployment and inflation was a disaster and the public was mad at Ford over the pardon for Nixon and a lot of voters were pissed off over Vietnam. And Carter, was a complete disaster. Interest rates went over 20%, Unemployment was very high, Gold was 900 an oz. Our military was a disaster.

Our current situation was started by Mortgage companies, rating companies, and other financial markets that resold risky loans over and over. The cheap money and lax credit standards inflated the growth of the housing market. The fundamentals of the market could not be sustained and the large banks like Citi and Bear Stearns and others, had now lost a business sector and dont have the profits and business to replace it.

Many Large company profits were coming from overseas in new and high growth markets, like china, india, south korea. They have experienced inflation due to massive growth and have been raising interest rates to combat that. The value of their currency goes up and ours is reduced accordingly. Of late, the overseas stock markets are also suffering. China markets have dropped over 50%. They buy a lot of our coal and are drilling oil in cuban waters.

Subsidized Ethanol is a disaster and will only get worse under Obama. Tom Daschel is a lobbyist for the ethanol industry. He use to be Senate Majority leader. His wife was the Boeing lobbyist. I Hope you dont run an outboard. All the debate over alternative energy is focused on government spending. They dont like oil or coal and although wind and solar are great, they are more expensive. Subsidies only create dependent business and energy is going to be in play, if government takes over alternative energy investment. We and the oil companies will pay for it. govt will control that and they will also control the votes that are associates with alternative energy susidies. If businesses are able to invest as they see fit, taxpayers will be better off. I know that I cant mount a wind turbine, solar panel or a nuclear reactor to my truck. I need cheaper gas and democrats dont want to drill for it. Period.

I hope you like canadian health care. They have health care lotteries up there for a shorter waiting period for procedures etc. Those that can afford it, come down here. If you think they care about your actual health, you are wrong. They claim to care about education which is worse than ever and the politicians and the rich guys send their kids to Sidwell Friends in washington DC, while everyone else is stuck with public education. Future leaders are not coming out of public school, they come out of private schools. Look at the colleges where politicians came from. Most of them went to Harvard or Yale. Everthing else is run of the mill.

We will have hospitals for the rich and the equivelant of public schools for hospitals for the rest of us. Medicare doesnt cover everything and so if you cant afford it, you die earlier. Hope your next newborn doesnt run into problems and fall thru the cracks. Your doctor will probably have to join a union, like the nurses do.

A crook? He's a politician........... he'll smoothly attempt to lie his way out of any situation. That's what they do. On both sides of the aisle.

This election is going to be nauseating. And Bush needs to shut his piehole about Iran before it gets really mucked up.

He is the Tefflon politician. Nothing seems to stick to him. The media helps that out and will through the election. Is there anyone here who does not think he is going to win?
Even with this guy on the ballot it will be a dem year. The party tried hard to loose by not nominating Clinton but I am afraid we are still going to be stuck with him. Get use to this type of thing......Wait a minute, I guess we have been seeing it for 16 years. We should be use to it by now huh?.

Sorry...I mis-typed...everywhere that it says "Obama" in my original post, substitute "The McCain's"...they're the ones who decided paying their taxes wasn't important.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=62847

They own too many houses to keep track of the property taxes?

Nope...no elitism there.

McLame = four more years of BushCorp policies...and look what that's got us so far.

Fish on...

Todd

Good one Todd. Obama has one house in Chicago. McCain's wife is a multi-millionaire. They can afford seven houses and someone to look after the details. Sounds like they need a new accountant. Here is the real story
http://www.newsweek.com/id/143775/.
Doesn't anybody vet anything these days?. Took me one search on Google to find it.

Sorry Ron Paul has dropped out. You will have to write him in.
http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/06/13/ron-paul-drops-out-of-presidential-race/

I've lost all faith in the American political system.

Just think of the outcry if this had actually been Obama, rather than the McCains, who felt it unnecessary to pay his property taxes!

Hannity would probably be in the emergency room with a apoplectic seizure that caused a stroke, Rush would be sending out his hired help to get more drugs to keep him coherent during his four hour "Obama didn't pay his taxes!" rampage, and John McCain would be talking about how it was all he ever thought about in that POW camp in Vietnam..."I sure hope my wife is keeping up on our taxes!"...because only non-patriots don't pay their taxes.

Instead, you hear virtually nothing.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

I would be SO happy if the property taxes on my Olympia home were as low as HER home.

Nice bait and switch Todd. I saw that one coming a mile away though

Unfortunately the store broke two days ago, and I forgot to put up the post until last night...I'll admit I was hoping to get some of the Hannity/Rush wannabes on this site to start frothing at the mouth and ranting incoherently...like Hannity and Rush.

Might have made a better showing had I remembered to get it posted on Monday evening...

Fish on...

Todd

I really thought I had stumbled into a parallel universe, after reading the question and its author. Is deception illegal?

Yet, I was unmoved by the infraction of being late on taxes. Not many people are aware of the publications such as the Daily Journal of Commerce, which is a business publication and lists all of the bankruptcies, tax liens etc on individuals and companies in washington state. Other states have similar publications. It doesnt matter who you are, property taxes are either paid or they auction off the property. Willie Nelson, Wayne Newton and Ed McMahon have been on one list or another. I didnt see the outrage. Locally, if you knew all the people on websites such as this, you might find people you know.

The big difference here is the fact that these homes belong to Cindy McCain. They have a prenup, according to one interview or article, that I came across. Number two, she isnt running for office. She obviously hired someone to take care of this. At some point, they are required by law to put their holdings in a trust. Its doesnt prevent errors or mismanagement by the mgr. of the trust. They either screwed up or they had a dispute over the value of the property. That doesnt make them a crook.

I feel sorry for the people here who rely on class envy. The Clintons have their own money. John Kerrys wife is the spouse with money. It was Tereasa who owned the SUV's during the Kerry Campaign, not John. What those people choose to invest in, is their own business. If they fall behind on the payments or the taxes, its their responsibility. It doesnt make them a crook.

If you want to dig up some dirt, perhaps you google masters could go back a few years when Richard Gephart was railing about the rich not paying their fair share, while he did everything he legally could to avoid taxes on a 750,000 dollar home. That goes back a ways. Early nineties. Or you could go back and look up the tax deduction/loophole legislation that Dan Rostenkowski and Lloyd Benson were able to procure for businesses or people in their districts while railing that the rich dont pay their fair share. Perhaps hypocracy isnt illegal. It says volumes in my book. How many people, besides Hillary Clinton, would ask another candidate to pay off her campaign debts. I wonder if its true, she wants to be reimbursed for putting her own money into the campaign. How odd, that a person thinks that everyone else should pay for HER political campaign. Of course thats part of the party wish list, is public financing of campaigns. Dont want these rich Harvard graduates to have to spend their own money, do we? As long as the general public feels the rich are paying their fair share, it wont matter if we dont see the perks and the refunds, heading out the back door. Is deception, illegal?

Todd the trickster! I read about the McCain's tax issue on a California home the other day. Is neocon baiting legal? Ethical? Do you have to use barbless hooks (sickle siwash)? Do not remove from the water before releasing? So much to ponder.

I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

"I'm still voting for Ron Paul."

and therefore throwing away your vote.

and his money.

Is deception illegal?

For real?

If it were, all of BushCorp would be rotting in Guantanamo right now...besides, it was your buddies at FoxNews who ran it up the flagpole in the federal courts that there is no law requiring that they actually be truthful in their broadcasts, and that lying by a news agency is still protected by the First Amendment...

..and that's no deception. FoxNews actually established in federal court that they are under no obligation to tell the truth in their broadcasts, and that lying on purpose is still protected under their right to free speech and the freedom of the press.

Fish on...

Todd

Says the guy voting for McCain or Obama.

Party first, country second, huh?

Mind your own f'n vote before you criticize someone else's.

Country first, party second. Only one of them will be elected and since we all have a stake in it. It might as well count. We can respectfully disagree, who is the better candidate. Neither of them will do a good job.

...and therefore I can say that I didn't vote for them. I only wish I could take back a few votes.

I'm still wondering who the 11 people that voted against me voted for when I ran unopposed for school board. More power to the folks who choose their own path.

If Obama gets elected, best get ready to purchase a prayer rug, get on your knees and face Mecca, along with buying burkas for your wives and daughters

nookie, refer to my last post regarding that FoxNews not only lies to you, but has made sure that they have the Constitutional right to do so.

You also have the Constitutional right to believe their lies, which, apparently, you are happy to exercise.

It's too bad being stupid doesn't at least hurt a little...at least like a sunburn, or maybe a stubbed toe.

Fish on...

Todd

Although I took the following info from wikipedia, it is still entirely factual and a matter of public record. I made the second paragraph boldface so that it would be hard to ignore:


In 1972, Charles Keating began to work for American Financial Corporation, a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American Continental Corporation bought Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them the opportunity to make highly risky investments with their depositors’ money, an opportunity of which Keating took advantage.

Some regulators noted the danger posed by these deregulations and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. This may be due, in part, to the Keating Five, five Senators — Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and John McCain — who had received, for both themselves and for groups they supported, well over $1 million from Keating in the 1980s as favors and political contributions.[1] They later met twice with regulators who were investigating American Continental Corporation, in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1991, they would be rebuked to various degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)[2]
In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an unsuccessful effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was “a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government.” (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.) [3]

In 1989, American Continental Corporation, the parent of Lincoln Savings, went bankrupt. More than 21,000 investors, most of them elderly, lost their life savings (in total about $285 million.) This occurred largely because they held securities backed by the parent company rather than deposits in the federally-insured institution — a distinction apparently lost on many if not most depositors until it was too late. The federal government covered almost $3 billion of Lincoln’s losses when it seized the institution. Many creditors were made whole, and the government then attempted to liquidate the seized assets through its Resolution Trust Corporation, often at pennies on the dollar compared to what the property had allegedly been worth and the valuation at which loans against it had been made.

In 1989, Keating, when subpoenaed to testify before the House Banking Committee, invoked his right against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[4][5]


I am not endorsing Obama, but this is your John McCain people - his actions of the past speak for him today as far as I am concerned.

I wish you would have waited on this one todd. As a conservative, I still would have been supporting Obama on this one. Not paying ones property taxes is not crooked. It just means you will end up paying a lot of penalties or will end up losing the property. I have property I am behind on. I just need the money more for something else right now. I know I will end up paying a huge penalty, but it is worth it to me. Does that make me a crook? I hope not. I know of many investors who do the same thing. In the end, the government makes a whole lot more from us than they otherwise would, so I guess in someways that just makes us stupid. Now if McCain was filing for a senior discount or was lying about improvements, that would make him a crook. So, are all the improvements to your home permitted and recorded to the county? I bet you there are plenty of people around here who have upgraded their homes or added a garage and failed to tell the county.

I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

krijack,

If you can't afford to pay your taxes, then you can thank eight years of BushCorp for that...

If you choose not to pay them, then you are in violation of the law.

The McCain's, who are about as elitist as they come, have enough money to not only bail out half the folks who are losing their ONE home due to BushCorp, but even have enough to pay the taxes on their "just a Regular Joe, non-elistist" SEVEN homes.

They aren't claiming some deficiency of funds, nor are they claiming they made some sketchy financial decisions and have decided to not pay their taxes on their tax shelter trust owned home as some strategy to shore up their ailing bank account, but they just failed to pay the bill...for no reason other than they "forgot".

The last time we had a President who "couldn't recall" little details like that was the last time we had a President who negotiated with terrorists, funded an illegal war in Central America, and sold arms to our sworm enemies, the Iranians.

Sure we want to have another "I just forgot" President?

I'm sure the RWWJ's don't mind a President who "just forgot", when he didn't really forget anything at all, but is lying through his teeth, but the other 72% of America deserves better.

The 28% Kool-Aid drinkers deserve exactly what they get.

Fish on...

Todd

Pretty foamy.

At least you didn't try to talk up McLame...that would take more foam than even Hannity and Rush could generate during back to back four hour strokefests.

Fish on...

Todd

I think Dogfish is voting for McCain, but is too embarrassed to say so.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I'd vote for Ron Paul, if'n I thought it would matter.

By the way, I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

you liar, Fox news is the bestest news source. they tell the truth and make show liberals as they really are, with their dark evil souls...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002?f=h_latest

BWP-

McCain's actions are inexcusable. Re-read what the article says. McCain participated in the solicitation of money and favors for political gain, then he and the others attempted to scuttle the investigation into his buddy Keating's illegal activities. AGAIN, McCAIN ATTEMPTED TO SUBVERT THE LEGAL PROCESS OF THIS COUNTRY FOR HIS FRIEND, CHARLES KEATING, WHO IS A CONVICTED FELON DUE TO THIS MATTER!!!

McCain and the others were censured for their actions - now he's cheating on his taxes. It's pretty clear that he is not an ethical person and does not have the best interest of the "common person" in mind.

xoxo, Mike

PS Isn't Ron Paul the African-American transvestite celebrity?

Back on the S and L bail out. Two of the persons involved were the Bush brothers, the former governor of Florida and Neil.
He later made a killing buying back the foreclosed properties at pennies on the dollar from the U.S. goverment and resold them.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D81E3BF937A25753C1A966958260


Jeb Bush's dealings in Miami are not related to those of his brother Neil, who was a director of the Silverado Banking, Savings and Loan Association in Denver. Neil Bush, who is 35, defended himself last month in Denver on civil charges by the Government that he acted improperly in his role as a director of Silverado, which failed in 1988 after making questionable loans, including some to Neil Bush's business associates.

Don't forget that McCain cheated on his first wife, and left her for his 20 years younger staffer, after his wife was in a disfiguring car accident...and then called his new wife a kunt in front of a bunch of people.

Cheats on taxes, cheats on wife, subverts the law for his own financial gain...seems like a perfect example of the type of folks that the "law and order" party, the "Christian Party", the "family values party" likes to put up...who the hell ran the propoganda campaign that got all of those tags put on the GOP?

It's too bad all the rest of the Republicans didn't join Andy in voting for Ron Paul...he'd have won by a landslide.

Fish on...

Todd

Oh...and don't forget McLame's staunch support of veterans.

Not.

Every single year over the past five years he has voted against VA benefits, and programs for taking care of veterans once they get home.

Apparently "supporting our troops" is just as hollow a callout with McLame as it is with the current Administration...what they really mean is "support our contractors" with money, but screw the troops.

Fish on...

Todd

Wow - what a non-story. Most real estate investors do not pay their real estate taxes on time so this is as 'hot' a news story as Obama and his wife bumping fists or Rachel Ray's scarf in the Dunkin donuts ad. What a load of non-issue crap. As my Dad put it many years ago: "It's a loan I don't have to fill out out a loan app for and it doesn't show up on my credit report."
The name of the game in investing is 'capital retention'. Obviously, anyone who thinks somebody not paying their real estate taxes on time is worth mentioning either doesn't know anything about the subject or is stirring the pot for dregs on the bottom.
This got my morning off to a good laugh.

My point was that McCain engaged in illegal activity and got caught. Not paying your income tax is also "capital retention", but it's still illegal. Laugh all you want, McCain is demonstrating a clear behavioral pattern of disregarding the law.

Stam, keep your eyes closed and head buried in the dirt, maybe Islam will just go away..by the way I believe an atheist WOULD make a good leader.

Told you before, I dont watch Fux News nor do i listen to talk radio...so I guess that makes anyone who arrives at their own conclusions through independent thought
stupid and should be punished with pain? Who made you the everlasting and final authority over everything political? Guess the very same one who made you the foremost authority on salmon habitat, life cycle, harvest methods, recovery efforts,
fishing techniques...YOURSELF! Well , I must be stupid then cause I think you are
nothing more than a self serving egotistcal blowhard, who says what he wants as if it were the divine truth, then expecting everyone to bow down to the man who knows everything. Ever thought of running for office yourself? If the mods think this is a personal attack, then so be it, not any more personal than you telling me I'm stupid for my beliefs, I just used more words to describe you than you used to describe me.

If you didn't hear it from Hannity or Rush, then where did you hear the utterly made up story about Obama being a Muslim? The 700 Club? A mass e-mail? A friend at work? Did you make it up yourself?

Fish on...

Todd

He was born into a muslim family raised a muslim and only recenttly"converted" to christianity. Hmmm last high profile ex muslim, Salmon Rushdie, had to go into hiding, and has a price on his head. Why does'nt Obama for abandoning the "One True Faith"???? Is it really a made up story? I think not.. Hmmm there I go thinking again, without consulting with Hannity or that"right wing redneck lying oxycontin eater" Rush.

Todd you caught a big one! Ease up on the line, he might just snap off

No worry....that fish is gut hooked. Todd's gonna need some pliers and crowbar to get that thing off.

Picture.......line screaming....... upside down...then belly up.....cut line...he's a biter.....lives to get caught another day.

Nookie my friend... you seem like an otherwise reasonable, intelligent guy. So tell me... WHAT exactly turns reasonable, intelligent people into hate-mongerin' right-wing robots? I can't for the life of me figure it out?

The reason we all accuse you of being a talk-radio parrot is because all of these political philosophies you 'supposedly' arrived at through independent thought... are SO similar to the drivel spewed forth by the right-wing puppet masters... that to think ANYTHING else would just be ridiculous!

Prove us wrong man. Show us that you ain't just another brain-dead ditto-head. You can do it!

BWP-

Thanks for agreeing to disagree on McCain in a civil manner. I really don't like either of the candidates and am leaning towards Dogfish's suggestion of voting for Ron Paul. If only that would make a difference.

Happy trails, Mike

I think McCan't has plenty of avenues of weakness...chief among them that he's just an old hasbeen version of G-Dubya, with actual combat experience. Problem is, he's mostly crazy from his combat experience, and just like our veterans now, he never gets any treatment for it.

The fact that there are actual real people who believe the full on lie campaign, that Obama is a Muslim, that he attended a madrassas, all that crap...it just goes to show how stupid some Americans are.

Yes, nookie, I'm talking to you.

There is no actual real evidence whatsoever, and if you managed to not only find a different lie machine to tell you that crap, other than FuxNoos or Rush, then it only goes to show how deep not only the Republican LIe Machine is, but how deeply the stupidity of its followers runs.

I'll make a nice black and white, bright line delineation...the kind of judgmental "with us or against us!" crap that Republicans really like...if you really believe that Obama is a Muslim and attended a madrassas, then you are dumber than $hit.

Period.

Fish on...

Todd

Gee Todd, don't you have any strongly held opinions? Kinda' mellowing in your impending middle age, eh?

You know me, Sg...I'm less mellow in person

I just received a mass e-mail telling me that Obama eats white Christian children with his Indian fry bread. Seems like a pretty reliable source.

I'm not voting for anyone who would do that.

Fish on...

Todd

Oh, Hank...I'm holding back some, believe me...the actual words I'd use talking to someone who actually believes that stuff would get modded away pretty fast...

Fish on...

Todd

It just goes to show what little respect some people have for America or the democratic political process...they know they can't win on the facts, so they make chit up...and then people who know damn well it's a bunch of crap go out and spread the lies anyway...they're the least American of the bunch.

Fish on...

Todd

Their core already feels that way, but I don't think it would play well with the other 72% of America.

McLame knows exactly how the Republican Smear and Lie Machine works...after all, it's the same machine that Rove and Dubya used to spread lies about him to win the nomination...the good thing is that the vast majority of Americans are sick of those lying bastards, and the 28% Kool-Aid drinkers can froth in their own muck all they want...they can't reach most of America anymore.

In politics there's a saying..."Pigs get rich, hogs get slaughtered"...using the Lie and Smear machine selectively and with strategy got BushCorp into the White House...twice...but they forgot to turn it off, and it's been running at full tilt the whole time...they went from pigs to hogs, and McLame will be the recipient of America's wrath for being lied to so strongly and consistently for the past eight years.

Lies and smears is all they got...so get ready to hear more of the "I'm a uniter, not a divider" crowd smearing at full speed from now 'til November.

Fish on...

Todd

Back in the 80's the GOP realized that calling a candidate a "Ni**er luvin' commie-fa**ot Jew" no longer had the effect that it once did, so over time they began to use the word "liberal" with a wink and a nod to convey the same meaning. Now "Liberal" no longer has that same effect, so the word of the day seems to be "Terrorist Supporter."

I like how the media "slips up" and calls Obama "Osama" every chance they get. Case in point: Matt Lauer last week and Fox News every day.

KK, even funnier, I have a lot of conservative friends but NONE of them label themselves as Republican, they all say the R's have let 'em down and are a bunch of lying pussies who expect their minions to blindly follow their bullsh!t....................................

that's why none of them support Bush any more.......he reminds everyone of the spoiled rich frat rats in college who needed the "Greek" system because they couldn't make friends on their own.........

Ugh.
I've voted R for a long time. Am I happy with the way things are going? No.
I'm pro-choice, anti tax, but pro public services. Life's a bitch.
I think it's a big drag that I want to vote "none of the above" again.

Mingo I was Pres of my frat my junior year. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it...it was fun. I'm pretty sure you would have enjoyed it ;-)

I get my news from Nookie...he's got his finger on the pulse, clearly.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I'm kidding.

then you are definitely not the triple-Izod collared toolboxes I'm referring to. You're a fisherman, that automatically makes you cooler than the typical brand-new-'vette-from-daddy frat boy in my opinion

I was a GDI at Oregon (can I say that out loud here? ) and was on the court of the Chi Omega sorority. Still am, for life. Why would I want to be in a fraternity when I was an honorary member of a sorority?

That was just the beginning of the brain cell killing Stam.