I hope all of you will go to this site and see what the Catholics have done to encourage their 67 million people on election day. They don't say how to vote but they sure do get their message across. The video is undeniably powerful as any conscious human will be moved.

http://www.catholicvote.com/

They left out the part about having to pay all those millions of dollars because their Priests were boinking all the little boys.
Life is sacred, family values, this coming from a church lead by child molesters?

I don't know anything about Catholic religion, but I doubt if child molesting is a big part of what they stand for...

If I see on the evening news that some guy takes a kid fishing, then molests him, should I assume this site is populated by a bunch of child molesters ?

If this site protected said molester, yes.

Or did you forget that the church actively protected chi-mos.......going as far as to move a chi-mo to another church so they could continue victimizing children?

Let's see now, first we have politics, then religion what's next? First there are not 67 million voting Catholics. If each practicing Catholic has 12 kids each then you take the 67 mil. and divide by seven. That leaves only 9,571,428.6 voters. About the population of Georgia. Georgia has 15 E.C. votes so I guess it doesn't really matter.

I certainly have bad-mouthed the Catholic church in the past, and possibly wil again at some time in the future, but what you say, Oregon, is no doubt true. It's the "One bad apple ruins the barrel" syndrome.

The "Way Too Big Paintbrush" gets used whenever convenient far too often. Teachers, another icon of trust, have hit the news more than a couple of times for sexual exploitation as well. Shall we call all teachers names and condemn the lot?

I think you all missed the massage in this clip. Freeze it at 3:14 and look what balot is left on the voting table. Real clear message to me that the video was intended pursuade the peoples vote.

Just my thoughts anyway.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that religions that want to venture into politics, even moving along the edges like in this video, ought to have their tax exempt status revoked. If they want the benefits of tax exemption, they ought to stay strictly on the faith side of the street, and "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" with no dabbling in the affairs of politics. Organized religion is becoming the scourge of religious faith.

Geez, Kevin....good catch. The message was plenty clear in its pro-life presentation anyway, but that ballot box scene spells it out. I missed it the first time, and the second.

Amen! And if you want to see where a country can end up when the religious wackos get power, look at Afganistan under the Taliban or Iran today. Jesus please save me from your followers. WWJD?

Wanna know the diffrence between an American woman and a muslim woman?

The American woman gets stoned BEFORE she commits adultry.
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X2!!!!!

The idea that one bad apple spoils the whole bunch is age old. I am pleased that most of the responses are civil. I have noticed that some are all for free speech as long as you are spewing the right , {err leftwing} liberal schpeel. With the illogical view that was taken by Free Spool this statement "American Soldiers kill people " could mean that all American Soldiers are bad which is ridiculous. I took the video at face value and didn't look for hidden messages. My take, Pray to save the unborn Americans and others in the world. It is very dangerous to be a FETUS in the Inner City these days. We live on the Left Coast I accept that. But could you lay off on the kids?

WTF does that even mean?

Are you not free to post your thoughts here?

Or is it that you think you should get a free pass to post your thoughts without any opposition?

Free speech is also about people attacking your ideas with their free speech.

I couldn't agree more. It way to obvious that this video steps way over the line.

Is STFU! covered by the first amendment?

Man, I hope so.

As an aside; I read the interview of young Levi by the AP. Seems the lad has decided to drop out of high school to go work in the oil fields. What wonderful family values those surrounding the Palins exhibit.

Wow..... Chalk up yet one more reason to be ashamed of being Catholic. This is why I stopped going to mass. Its a sad state of affairs that churches are even allowed to "weigh in" on which candidate they'd like to see in office. What the religous right would ultimately like to see is our country being run as a theocracy, much like the old Taliban regime in the middle east. Religous views have no place in politics, and I honestly cant believe that there is a sizable faction of the population out there that would knowingly and willfully put a man in office who everyone knows is going to be bad for this country simply based on ONE, SINGLE, MORAL, RELIGOUSLY motivated issue. Seriously, ONE ISSUE! Think about the stupidity and ignorance of what you people are proposing we do!!!! You really want to put another Bush in office? Are you really willing to strike another blow against the blue collar working class family just because the man your voting for is pro life? What about our lives? What about this screwed up economy? Dont you all realize how asinine it is to elect a leader based on a couple of very "grey" moral issues? I guess its ok that the rich will continue to get richer and the poor will get poorer. The middle class will continue to shrink, and before you know it, we will all be forced to shop at Walmart for our groceries......... That's ok though, because we will still have our guns, the queers still wont be able to marry, and dammit, we beat those damn pro choicers up in Seattle....... Makes me want to cry.

I'll jump in on the unpopular side of the argument.


I think each and every church, religious order, mosque, temple should, from the pulpit, tell the congregation what their faith actually means and how they should live it.

It is then up to the individual to square their "faith" with their lives, which includes voting. Ultimately, they will have to answer for their choices to God, Yaweh, Allah.

In the US, we live a society that is (supposed to be) free of any specific religious code that is applied to all people. A person's individual faith is theirs, and theirs alone. Their preachers/priests/ministers/imans instruct them but it applies to their community. A faith, any faith, is totally bogus if it does lead to action. Being Christian, Jew, Moslem means being something; acting a certain way.

In college, somebody asked our group "If you were arrested and charged with being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?" As a society, we need to be challenged to live up to our chosen dogma.

Government should be encouraging these discussions. Rather than the current sound-bites, we need some real dialogue. Rather than spin, we need true debate. We need the disussions out in the open.

Carcassman,

Your side of the argument is only unpopular if you would allow IRS tax exemption AND religious political dialog, or dogma, as the case may be. We are a nation of laws, and the law requires an either or position. Churches are not permitted to walk both sides of this street.

Sg

Last time I checked this wasn't a church. God Bless America!

Free to post ,free to reply, and free to speak my mind. God Bless America. Why cant' we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? GOD BLESS AMERICA LAND THAT I LOVE...................NUGENT IS A REAL ROCKER!

No representation without taxation!

Dave you left out the clitoris. Muslim women are held down and cut. Still think they compare?

I guess a baby tax would solve the problem.

If churches lost their right to lobby their members, without taxation, so would AARP, NRA, and every fishing organization.

Democrats only pay lip service to the church anyway. Id like to See Obama snub the pope. He has voted against the infants born alive act four times (botched abortion medical rescue) and told Naral that he will sign the freedom of choice act, which apparently will remove all state limitations of abortion.

Nice guy.

That which you do, for the least of us, you do for me.

Except previable fetus's and half brothers.

None of those groups have a "right to lobby their members, without taxation..."...

Fish on...

Todd

Palin is sure getting a free pass on her speeches at her church in Wasilla...where she has the weird habit of saying that the war in Iraq is a mission from God, and that dinosaurs were around 2000 years ago.

Crazy.

I think that there is a pretty stark line between what is legal and what is not, so far as tax exempt status goes, but how it's enforced is pretty lax...churches all over the country passively "endorse" all kinds of candidates and causes and no one ever calls them on it.

Fish on...

Todd

Easy...they're around now.

1. Old white man
2. Yells a lot
3. Likely crazy

Mebbe you oughta run for Prez on the Repub ticket?

Hank, I'm not sure why McCain is still around.

Here's an open ended question that occurred to me today...

The writing has been on the wall for a few years that it was very unlikely that a Republican was going to win the 2008 POTUS election.

Having that in mind, it almost seems like the RNC is purposely tanking it with McCain, but especially with choosing Palin as the running mate.

Could they actually be purposely tanking it? Run an old dude who's pretty much done already, and an inexperienced upstart who is never going to make it outside of Alaska politics anyway, rather than burn an actual good candidate?

Fish on...

Todd