So...here comes the next four page topic...

McCain performed far better than I thought he would...that being said, his points about Ayers are ridiculous, and while they pander to the base, they don't do anything at all for the middle, and those are the folks who have already thrown their tentative lot in with Obama, and those are the ones he needs to persuade. Points scored with his supporters, no points scored with those who he needs to win the debate.

His line that he's not Bush, and that if Obama wanted to run against Bush, he should have done so four years ago was pretty good...but he didn't do anything to distance himself from Bush except for saying we need change, and that he's not Bush. His policies, especially the economic ones, are the same ol', same ol'...

He made a massive mistake on the conversation regarding Roe v. Wade...again, his comments made the base ecstatic, but they aren't the ones he's speaking to right now, not unless he wants to win. It might have been the last nail in his coffin regarding stealing Hillary supporters...they won't like what he had to say.

He made good points about himself not being a racist, not being a member of the KKK, and his personal pain at being portrayed that way...especially since it was Palin's rally where that crap really came up, and she's the one who didn't stop it from happening.

At that moment, had Obama looked McCain in the eye, said "John, I respect you very much, and I do not think that the views represented by those fringe lunatics in any way, shape, or form represent your feelings..." and then stood up, and offered to shake his hand...had he done that, then the election would be over right now, two weeks before the voting even takes place.

A fantastically missed opportunity by Obama.

Obama's even keeled responses, though somewhat vanilla, are exactly what caused polls about the last two debates to show he was the clear winner...sticking with that attitude won him the first two, and will likely win him this one, too.

Obama did a great job of pointing at the allegations from McCain and showing that they were false...and McCain blundered by bringing some of them up, since they've been very publicly debunked over the past couple of weeks.

Overall, I think this was McCain's best debate of the three...but he failed to move the middle anywhere near him, and may have in fact further pushed himself away from the undecided and independent voters.

Based on that, I give it to Obama, though not by a large margin.

It's mostly academic, on that point, since McCain really needed to knock it way out of the park to gain anything at all, and at best he energized his stalwart supporters only, and at worst, may have further alienated the very middle and independent voters he absolutely must sway to win this election...time is running out, and he's never going to make it now.

Fish on...

Todd

Your new medication seems to be working.....

" Senator Goverment" lol

That one had me cracking up, too, SD.

That was a quality 'Zzzzing' even if he didn't mean to say it.

I forgot about that one, Sol Duc...that was a pretty funny slip by McSame

Obama also did a fine job of not knocking Palin, in spite of the preponderance of material she's produced for it over the past couple of weeks...yer damned if you do, damned if you don't...but less damned if you don't, as she's her own (and McSame's) worst enemy...letting keep on keepin' on is the best thing Obama can do with her.

Fish on...

Todd

Here's an idea.

Let's talk about negative campaigning for 20 minutes while our economy teeters on the edge of disaster.

Goats.

RON PAUL 2008

And let's assign a commision on steroid use in baseball, but not on credit default swaps/Fannie/Freddie/Bear sterns/ etc.......

Would've been if motivated by wit rather than alzheimers.

How the Hell did John McCain ever win the GOP nomination?

John's in maturity is painful to watch, thank god this was the last debate.

Mf

I worked on a portion of my ditch tonight. Seriously. I raked out the portion of the drainage ditch that goes through the DOT easement that my neighbor and I share. Really, it is a foreign policy issue.

After raking out the final contures of my ditch, I placed 600 feet of the primary export of Bangledesh in 148 feet of ditch, then seeded it with 50 pounds of grass seed. Can you guess what I put down?

Last night I installed 30 feet of 12" corrugated culvert. Dirt work is my newfound passion.

Bangladesh's main export is textiles.

You put clothes in the ditch?



































































































Or burlap perhaps?

DOT spec slope stabilizer is the best mix I've delt with, sprouts fast and holds well. Jute is decent but there are better blankets.

KK got it!

Jute matting. Since Jute matting is a "woven material of fiber" it counts as textiles, so Dan S shows that even Oly Bears paid attention in CWP their senior year.

Todd, please pay KK off in a few RF spoons.

Basic contractors mix for the grass seed( Scotts), and a little fertilizer (appropriate for tonight's debate). I would have had it in a few weeks earlier if the city hadn't dicked me around, and it would have been sprouting by now.

Takes a week and a few two day follow-ups to bail out the US financial sytem, and 20 months to get utilities to a property owned free and clear. Talk about fawked up.

Aw, hell.

Outsmarted by KK.

That's not supposed to happen.

Hemp is better than Jute.


Anyway my 'puter died today. Dead. Won't even turn on.

Besides, I plan on spending the time leading up to the election in a drunken stupor.

I'll check in occasionally on my back-up to make sure things aren't getting outta hand.

I think you pretty much called it Todd on the Pres debate.

But, how about the debate for Governor? I thing the Governor's debate that followed was interesting. They each were behind their podium, as if chained there to keep from attacking earch other. It was almost like two dogs chained to a stake so they didnt' fight each other. I wish someone woudl have let them go. Instead they just growled toward each other.

So Hank, you voting for Ron Paul too?

I am very scared looking forward. He will be the next pres. I have no doubts and I am not in denial as many seem to be. His pollicies are socialist adn with a dem controlled congress there will be no check on him. He stated this crap about 95% tax cut. Well 40% pay none now and he wants to just send a check out of the pocket of those who will pay far more under his plan. Socialism at its finest and how well does that work around the word.
To put it in prospective.......If you raise my taxes as much as he proposes I will have to cut expenses at my offices. The expenses cut come directly out of the economy. If we dont end up letting some staff go, which would likely happen, we will certainly not be building out. That is money directly out of the our local economy. Less construction trickles down like less houses being built and we have seen what that did for us. I listen to people with the "whoo hoo" I will get a tax break that is three times larger.......I try to explained that that is picked up by their employer who will no longer be able to give them a raise and might have to cut back at their job and then they start to get it. A $500 larger tax break does not mean nearly as much as a promotion or possibly thier job.

I was not impressed by the debate. But then, I'm not impressed by the candidates either, so that's a wash. I'll be voting for Obama for the same reason I figured I would nearly a year ago. I'm voting against the Republican National Committee.

On a tangent, philosophically I understand the conservatives who are concerned that liberals in general and Obama in particular, lean toward socialism. However, that philosophy evaporates for me what with Bushco having grown the federal government by about 40% in 8 years, and with the largest corporate welfare in the history of the nation under the watch of the neo-conservative administration. It's beginning to make socialism look more attractive to me. I mean the socialist European countries have a higher standard of living, longer vacations, and in Italy and France they eat the best food, drink the best wine every day, and have sex every night. Now what's so bad about this socialism stuff? Other than they don't have salmon and steelhead fishing?

Sg

Classic !
Talking points for the telepromter ?