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#461277 - 10/20/08 03:11 PM 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell
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In another thread I saw an attempt to put words in Collin's mouth or to try and speak for him as to why he chose to back Obama. You will find all of his reasons and rational in the following link.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27266223/page/2/

RWWN'S please read carefully and slowly the following. woot

On the Obama side, I watched Mr. Obama and I watched him during this seven-week period. And he displayed a steadiness, an intellectual curiosity, a depth of knowledge and an approach to looking at problems like this and picking a vice president that, I think, is ready to be president on day one. And also, in not just jumping in and changing every day, but showing intellectual vigor. I think that he has a, a definitive way of doing business that would serve us well. I also believe that on the Republican side over the last seven weeks, the approach of the Republican Party and Mr. McCain has become narrower and narrower. Mr. Obama, at the same time, has given us a more inclusive, broader reach into the needs and aspirations of our people. He's crossing lines--ethnic lines, racial lines, generational lines. He's thinking about all villages have values, all towns have values, not just small towns have values.

And I've also been disappointed, frankly, by some of the approaches that Senator McCain has taken recently, or his campaign ads, on issues that are not really central to the problems that the American people are worried about. This Bill Ayers situation that's been going on for weeks became something of a central point of the campaign. But Mr. McCain says that he's a washed-out terrorist. Well, then, why do we keep talking about him? And why do we have these robocalls going on around the country trying to suggest that, because of this very, very limited relationship that Senator Obama has had with Mr. Ayers, somehow, Mr. Obama is tainted. What they're trying to connect him to is some kind of terrorist feelings. And I think that's inappropriate.

Now, I understand what politics is all about. I know how you can go after one another, and that's good. But I think this goes too far. And I think it has made the McCain campaign look a little narrow. It's not what the American people are looking for. And I look at these kinds of approaches to the campaign and they trouble me. And the party has moved even further to the right, and Governor Palin has indicated a further rightward shift. I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration. I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.

So, when I look at all of this and I think back to my Army career, we've got two individuals, either one of them could be a good president. But which is the president that we need now? Which is the individual that serves the needs of the nation for the next period of time? And I come to the conclusion that because of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities--and we have to take that into account--as well as his substance--he has both style and substance--he has met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president. I think he is a transformational figure. He is a new generation coming into the world--onto the world stage, onto the American stage, and for that reason I'll be voting for Senator Barack Obama.

MR. BROKAW: Will you be campaigning for him as well?

GEN. POWELL: I don't plan to. Two weeks left, let them go at each other in the finest tradition. But I will be voting for him.

MR. BROKAW: I can already anticipate some of the reaction to this. Let's begin with the charge that John McCain has continued to make against Barack Obama. You sit there, as a man who served in Vietnam, you commanded a battalion of 101st, you were chairman of the Joint Chiefs, you were a national security adviser and secretary of state. There is nothing in Barack Obama's history that nearly paralyze any--parallels any of the experiences that you've had. And while he has performed impressively in the context of the campaign, there's a vast difference between sitting in the Oval Office and making tough decisions and doing well in a campaign.

GEN. POWELL: And he knows that. And I have watched him over the last two years as he has educated himself, as he has become very familiar with these issues. He speaks authoritatively. He speaks with great insight into the challenges we're facing of a military and political and economic nature. And he is surrounding himself, I'm confident, with people who'll be able to give him the expertise that he, at the moment, does not have. And so I have watched an individual who has intellectual vigor and who dives deeply into issues and approaches issues with a very, very steady hand. And so I'm confident that he will be ready to take on these challenges on January 21st.

MR. BROKAW: And you are fully aware that there will be some--how many, no one can say for sure--but there will be some who will say this is an African-American, distinguished American, supporting another African-American because of race.

GEN. POWELL: If I had only had that in mind, I could have done this six, eight, 10 months ago. I really have been going back and forth between somebody I have the highest respect and regard for, John McCain, and somebody I was getting to know, Barack Obama. And it was only in the last couple of months that I settled on this. And I can't deny that it will be a historic event for an African-American to become president. And should that happen, all Americans should be proud--not just African-Americans, but all Americans--that we have reached this point in our national history where such a thing could happen. It will also not only electrify our country, I think it'll electrify the world.

MR. BROKAW: You have some differences with Barack Obama. He has said that once he takes office, he wants to begin removing American troops from Iraq. Here's what you had to say about that: "I have found in my many years of service, to set arbitrary dates that don't coincide with the situation on the ground or what actually is happening tends not to be a useful strategy. ... Arbitrary deadlines that are snatched out of the air and are based on some lunar calculation is not the way to run a military or a strategic operation of this type." That was on February 10th of this year on CNN. Now that you have Barack Obama's ear in a new fashion, will you say to him, "Drop your idea of setting a deadline of some kind to pull the troops out of Iraq"?

GEN. POWELL: First of all, I think that's a great line, and thanks for pulling it up. And I believe that. But as I watch what's happening right now, the United States is negotiating the--an agreement with the Iraqi government that will call for most major combat operations to cease by next June and for American forces to start withdrawing to their bases. And that agreement will also provide for all American troops to be gone by 2011, but conditioned on the situation as it exists at that time. So there already is a timeline that's being developed between the Iraqis and the United States government. So I think whoever becomes the president, whether it's John McCain or whether it's Barack Obama, we're going to see a continued drawdown. And when, you know, which day so many troops come out or what units come out, that'll be determined by the commanders and the new president. But I think we are on a glide path to reducing our presence in Iraq over the next couple of years. Increasingly, this problem's going to be solved by the Iraqis. They're going to make the political decisions, their security forces are going to take over, and they're going to have to create an environment of reconciliation where all the people can come together and make Iraq a much, much better place.

MR. BROKAW: Let me go back to something that you raised just a moment ago, and that's William Ayers, a former member of the Weathermen who's now active in school issues in Illinois. He had some past association with Barack Obama. Wouldn't it have been more helpful for William Ayers to, on his own, to have renounced his own past? Here was a man who was a part of the most radical group that existed in America at a time when you were serving in Vietnam, targeting the Pentagon, the Capitol. He wrote a book about it that came out on 2001, on September 11th that said, "We didn't bomb enough."

GEN. POWELL: It's despicable, and I have no truck for William Ayers. I think what he did was despicable, and to continue to talk about it in 2001 is also despicable. But to suggest that because Mr. Barack Obama had some contacts of a very casual nature--they sat on a educational board--over time is somehow connected to his thinking or his actions, I think, is a, a terrible stretch. It's demagoguery.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27266223/page/2/
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#461291 - 10/20/08 03:58 PM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: John Lee Hookum]
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#461322 - 10/20/08 05:50 PM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: John Lee Hookum]
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I've always liked Powell. I think he's a sharp dude. When he gave his presentation about Iraq's WMD to the UN, I was almost completely persuaded. It's dispicable that Bushco used him the way they did, dispicable in the same way Powell refers to Ayer's actions. Now there's a thought, Bushco and Ayers, birds of a feather, but working opposite sides of the street to advance a "the ends justify the means" agenda.

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#461484 - 10/21/08 12:35 AM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: John Lee Hookum]
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Powell is and always has been a left winger. Big surprise.
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#461514 - 10/21/08 02:55 AM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: KoneZone]
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No, Kone-hat, he's always been a die-hard conservative. That's how & why he made the Bush Cabinet as Sec. of State.

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#461550 - 10/21/08 11:01 AM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: Irie]
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Salmo g.........it's funny you should use the phrase, "the end justifies the means" in a non-complimentary way where the right is concerned. I've always regarded the same phrase as legit when describing the actions of the leftist enviro-rads (all of whom vote the big D). Curious, isn't it, how both parties think "It's those weirdo's who are totally gone!"?

Sorry for the momentary depart from Powell.

Powell certainly can speak for himself, but I think the toppler for him was simply McCain's inability to inspire people with speech. It's plagued him throughout the campaign. The Palin choice was not good, either. There are many other factors as well, but none of which make that other guy (what's his name?) worth much. Piss poor, just simply piss poor. I certainly don't foresee anything good coming of this next term, especially country unity.

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Edit....argh....I should proofread BEFORE posting....wrong word spelled correctly


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#461559 - 10/21/08 11:32 AM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: KoneZone]
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Originally Posted By: KoneZone
Powell is and always has been a left winger. Big surprise.


I think we might need a deep space transmitter to get in touch with KZ on this one...

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#461580 - 10/21/08 12:56 PM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Pow [Re: Todd]
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Kone-hat wears tin-foil. The transmitter's radio waves will just bounce off.


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#461582 - 10/21/08 12:59 PM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: Irie]
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I hope they get that Shuttle launch done and fix the Hubbel telescope...I think we'll need it just to see where the hell it is he's hanging out...it's too far out there to see with regular field glasses.

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#461621 - 10/21/08 02:29 PM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: Todd]
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Powell is right in the midst of the "moderate" political label in a couple of magazine articles that offer up a list of attributes you identify with or oppose to assess how far to the right or left you lean politically. Altho such articles are pretty superficial as analysis goes, I felt complimented that I landed squarely in line with Powell. It would be hard to be associated with better or more honorable company, his UN faux pax notwithstanding.

Sg

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#461649 - 10/21/08 04:20 PM Re: 'Meet the Press' transcript 10/19/08 Colin Powell [Re: ]
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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1851832,00.html?xid=newsletter-weekly

In one of the most symbolically important moments of the general election, former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced today that he is endorsing Barack Obama for President. Making his decision public on NBC News' Meet the Press, the longtime fixture in Republican Administrations effectively reinforced the sense of momentum Obama has been building, declaring the Senator from Illinois to be a "transformational figure." Said Powell: "I think that Senator Obama brings a fresh set of eyes, a fresh set of ideas to the table. I think we need a generational change, and I think Senator Obama has captured the feelings of the young people of America and is reaching out in a more diverse, inclusive way across our society."

Sources say Obama courted Powell's support for well over a year, with private discussions that have largely involved policy consultations, but also some explicit pleas for support. Powell's neutrality up until now had worried some Republicans, as a possible nod for Obama had been rumored and discussed for months. Previously whenever he was asked about Obama, Powell had nothing but kind words, but before his appearance on Meet the Press, he always stopped short of a full endorsement.

The endorsement is not only symbolic but, in terms of timing, it is of great tactical importance. Powell is a brand unto himself in American politics, and clearly transcends the media's tendency to hype endorsements over their actual importance to voters. However, the announcement's indisputable benefit is that the former Secretary of State and general is sure to block any chance John McCain has of winning the next two or three days of news coverage, as the media swoons over the implications of the choice. It is simple political math: McCain has 15 days to close a substantial gap, and he will now lose at least one-fifth of his total remaining time.

Powell's decision brings other clear benefits as well. He is so trusted for his judgment on national security (even in the wake of his role in the current Iraq war) that his confidence in Obama to become Commander in Chief will resonate with many élites and voters. The Democrats' ability to play the Powell card for the next two weeks makes it much harder — even if there is an unexpected international crisis — for Republicans to suggest that Obama isn't qualified to protect the country. Powell reinforced Obama's qualifications on Meet the Press: "Senator Obama has demonstrated the kind of calm, patient, intellectual, steady approach to problem-solving that I think we need in this country."

If some voters still see Obama as a nebulous, unknown figure with questionable associations and liberal tendencies that makes them wary of voting for an African American, Powell's decision may ease their minds. In some ways his image is the perfect complement to Obama's. Unlike the newly arrived Obama, Powell is an establishment figure with over a decade of experience in the national spotlight regarding military and international affairs, first as a career Army man, then in a variety of national security roles, culminating in his service as Secretary of State.

When Powell considered his own run for President in 1995, his political advisers found that there was an extraordinarily wide and deep well of support for the retired general as a political figure. In fact, by some standards, before Obama, Powell was the most successful African-American politician of the past two decades, though he never actually sought elective office. Even after being tied to the Bush Administration and its widely disliked foreign policy decisions, Powell has maintained extraordinary popularity, with nearly three-quarters of Americans continuing to view him favorably, in part because he is perceived as a nonpartisan figure, almost above politics.

Finally, Powell long ago cast his lot with the Republican Party, even though he is known to have disagreements with the GOP on some social issues. He has been a powerful speaker at party events, and one of the truly powerful symbols the party has had to deploy. His crossover endorsement is Obama's biggest yet from a Republican, and it fuels many of the Democrat's regular themes: Obama is the future and McCain the past; Obama — and his party — can be trusted on national security, Bush mishandled the Iraq conflict; and Republicans (and independents) should be comfortable supporting the man from Illinois.

Powell will not become a full-throated partisan on Obama's behalf, but the two are now joined symbolically. It is most similar to Senator Edward Kennedy's endorsement of Obama over Hillary Clinton in February, which garnered extraordinary news coverage at a critical moment and broke the spirit of the opposition. Like Kennedy, Powell is a larger-than-life figure who commands a wide following. Powell says he will not campaign actively for Obama, but he does not need to. His words on Sunday were more than enough.
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