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#492290 - 03/02/09 09:14 PM It only took Obama 40 days to.
Sol Duc Offline
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"Change " the Dow from 9300 to below 7000. Yes we can !
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#492292 - 03/02/09 09:19 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Sol Duc]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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It's all Obama's fault, too.

That bastard.

smile
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#492293 - 03/02/09 09:20 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Dan S.]
Sky-Guy Offline
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Yep, I bet if McCain was voted in the DOW would be up around 14,900 right now, right?



lame
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#492298 - 03/02/09 09:24 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
summerrun Offline
Dude, where's my boat?

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If Rush Limpdick would quit poppin pills and unite the Far Right Wackos the country would be much better off fer sure...cheers
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#492302 - 03/02/09 09:29 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: summerrun]
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On pace for 6,000 cry

Right Parker... wink

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#492308 - 03/02/09 09:34 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Magicfly]
Sol Duc Offline
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Obama has only spent an average of 45 billion per day though.
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#492340 - 03/02/09 10:23 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Sol Duc]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Chump change. rofl
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#492342 - 03/02/09 10:25 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Sol Duc]
seastrike Offline
Hey Man....It's cool...

Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 4242
Loc: seattle
You dudes are soooo far off track.
It's Blades fault. You heard it here first.

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#492363 - 03/02/09 11:29 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: seastrike]
Idaho Mike Offline
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Just what kind of magic bullet should Obama shoot to make this bad scary stuff go away?
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#492373 - 03/02/09 11:50 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
Oregonian Offline
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Seems to me that if you want Mom-n-Pop stores around, you support them by shopping there... I do not expect G.M. or Ford to succeed until someone buys their products, why wouldn't Uncle Sugar buy a butload of trucks from them instead of GIVING them money ? Uncle Sugar could then build some big-o wharehouses to park the thousands of new trucks in (stimulating some construction and material sales), then trickle these trucks into the free market AFTER the economy gets back on it's feet. Same could be said for other markets...sending the top guy at Weyco a few billion won't stimulate lumber nor paper market, but buy a few billion dollars worth of paper and lumber and people will be working the next day...

So far the "bail-outs" and "stimulus" looks like theft on a biblical scale...

Bush, Obama, and largely ignorant/empathetic voters all to blame.

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#492448 - 03/03/09 08:31 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Oregonian]
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The government might as well buy the vehicles from the auto makers and then have a lottery and give the vehicles away to people making under $250,000 a year.
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#492450 - 03/03/09 08:49 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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I told you to vote for Hilliary!
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#492451 - 03/03/09 08:53 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Who are you guys kidding.Ultimately it is the peoples fault.
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#492464 - 03/03/09 11:05 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
docspud Offline
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I agree Aunty. I have been watching her closely and think she has been great. Probably my fav of all posts in the admin. She might have been a good pres after all if not for that health care plan.
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#492478 - 03/03/09 01:49 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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I thought Obama was supposed to miraculously improve everything in our country in a matter of days.....was i mistaken?

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#492480 - 03/03/09 01:51 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Registered: 01/30/09
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Originally Posted By: ChuckS
I blame Peta.

bastards rofl



Peta could be blamed for many things.....bastards

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#492510 - 03/03/09 03:18 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Originally Posted By: dewbie
was i mistaken?


Yes.

And from what I've been reading, you should be used to it by now.

smile
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#492511 - 03/03/09 03:20 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Dan S.]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Originally Posted By: dewbie
was i mistaken?


Yes.

And from what I've been reading, you should be used to it by now.

smile


your not an obama butt boy are you?....shameful

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#492516 - 03/03/09 03:25 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
No, I'm a Ron Paul guy.

That was some weak sauce..............just like I expected.
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#492518 - 03/03/09 03:35 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Dan S.]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
No, I'm a Ron Paul guy.

That was some weak sauce..............just like I expected.


why are you a Ron Paul guy? you do realize that he is a republican? He is against pretty much everything that Obama is for....and dont tell me you only voted for him because he wants to "legalize it"

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#492520 - 03/03/09 03:38 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
I'm not a 'party first, country second' kind of guy.

I didn't figure you'd understand.
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#492523 - 03/03/09 03:41 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Dan S.]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
I'm not a 'party first, country second' kind of guy.

I didn't figure you'd understand.
right.....

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#492525 - 03/03/09 03:41 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
dewbie Offline
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how exactly am i a party first country second dude?

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#492532 - 03/03/09 03:54 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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You give me a headache Dewmie
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#492537 - 03/03/09 04:12 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: NOFISH]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: NOFISH
You give me a headache Dewmie


right on

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#492543 - 03/03/09 04:26 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
how exactly am i a party first country second dude?


All I can tell you is I'm a work first, party after kinda guy. I even fish once in a while wink
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#492551 - 03/03/09 04:51 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
stlhead Offline
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Can we democratically vote away Dewbie's right to a refresh button?
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#492553 - 03/03/09 04:55 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: stlhead]
dewbie Offline
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oh no, someone has a different opinion....we better silence him!

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#492556 - 03/03/09 05:01 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
stlhead Offline
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You have an opinion? Where?
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#492559 - 03/03/09 05:07 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: stlhead]
dewbie Offline
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Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
Originally Posted By: stlhead
You have an opinion? Where?


as DANS so eloquently stated before...."thats weak sauce" is that the best you got? what is it with today? pick on dewbie day? obama is a piece of crap...theres an opinion for you. grin

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#492562 - 03/03/09 05:17 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Salmo g. Offline
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dewbie,

Obama may not be able to work miracles on our economic crisis, and if so, it's likely that no one else could either. But I feel better every day knowing the GW isn't the US president any more.

You're welcome to your opinion, but can you answer: who would be a better president, and what would he or she do that would be more effective than what Obama's done?

Sg

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#492563 - 03/03/09 05:20 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Salmo g.]
dewbie Offline
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Ron Paul would be a better president because he is for small government. Bush failed because he was pushing big government....Obama will fail even worse because he is pushing even bigger government. what i mean by this, is the government needs to keep their damn hands out of everything and let bad businesses fail, good businesses prosper.

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#492567 - 03/03/09 05:26 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Mikespike Offline
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
what i mean by this, is the government needs to keep their damn hands out of everything and let bad businesses fail, good businesses prosper.


Also, buy low, sell high. That doesn't mean sell stoned. Sorry Dewb, I lack impulse control sometimes on internet fishing boards wink rofl
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#492572 - 03/03/09 05:31 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: dewbie
what i mean by this, is the government needs to keep their damn hands out of everything and let bad businesses fail, good businesses prosper.


Also, buy low, sell high. That doesn't mean sell stoned. Sorry Dewb, I lack impulse control sometimes on internet fishing boards wink rofl


speaking of sell stoned.....i just got this sh!t called Train wreck....damn its good!


Edited by dewbie (03/03/09 05:35 PM)

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#492575 - 03/03/09 05:35 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Registered: 01/30/09
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Ron Paul favors abolishing the 17th ammendment.


What about direct election of Senators do you find disturbing ?


i feel the 17th amendment gives more power to the government...obviously i dont like more government control....

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#492588 - 03/03/09 05:48 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid

It takes power away from state government, and transfers that power to the electorate.


Unfortunately, we are only offered turds or pigs with lipstick to vote for, or in our case, the terminator. frown

PS the terminator is our gov. not a senator, but still a turd like our other choices


Edited by Mikespike (03/03/09 05:51 PM)
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#492589 - 03/03/09 05:49 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid



It takes power away from state government, and transfers that power to the electorate.



which means that the power goes federal rather then in the state, which is more government control. i would rather keep the power in the state.

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#492591 - 03/03/09 05:52 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Dewb-

we the people are "the electorate" - that stuff is train wrecking your brain! grin
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#492596 - 03/03/09 05:56 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
dewbie Offline
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keeping the power in the state, keeps the government small. but, when you branch out from there people who shouldnt have a say get one....to me that doesnt make sense.

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#492598 - 03/03/09 05:58 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
dewbie Offline
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this is on ron paul's site

Repeal The 17th Amendment

Posted December 19th, 2007 by SeanW

ANOTHER reason to vote for Ron Paul. And, if you understand it, a good argument to provide your friends.

Originally all Senators were elected by each State's elected officials. United States Senators were accountable to the State Governments that elected them and sent them to Washington to represent them. But the 17th Amendment changed that. Now, as we know, Senators are elected by popular vote. They no longer must answer to their own state government. And they have FAR too much power because of it.

Dr Paul, along with a few others such as Zell Miller, Alan Keyes, Harry Brown, Lew Rockwell and Neil Boortz, have advocated the repeal of the 17th Amendment for a long time.

Zell Miller introduced a constitutional amendment, just after announcing his retirement, to repeal the 17th Amendment, saying, "it gives too much power to Washington's special interests and it's an attack on federalism."

Whether Ron Paul gets elected or not, it's THESE issues that THIS MOVEMENT was born for...

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#492600 - 03/03/09 06:00 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
4Salt Offline
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Dewb... ONLY the people of that particular state elect their senator.

People from Wisconsin don't vote for senators in Alabama.
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#492605 - 03/03/09 06:04 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: 4Salt]
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smile


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#492609 - 03/03/09 06:08 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
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brains from california seem to fill up quicker then anywhere else

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#492612 - 03/03/09 06:10 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Neil Boortz?
Lew Rockwell..................

rofl

Alan Keyes ?

rofl


shocker... you dont know alan keyes? before ron paul ran for president, he got my vote.

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#492615 - 03/03/09 06:13 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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no offense KK, but i cant take anyone seriously who thinks socialism is a good form of government

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#492616 - 03/03/09 06:14 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Mikespike Offline
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
brains from california seem to fill up quicker then anywhere else


It's becasue there is so much liberal thought down here filling our minds.... rofl
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#492619 - 03/03/09 06:17 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: dewbie
brains from california seem to fill up quicker then anywhere else


It's becasue there is so much liberal thought down here filling our minds.... rofl
grin

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#492682 - 03/03/09 08:37 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: dewbie
what i mean by this, is the government needs to keep their damn hands out of everything and let bad businesses fail, good businesses prosper.


Also, buy low, sell high. That doesn't mean sell stoned. Sorry Dewb, I lack impulse control sometimes on internet fishing boards wink rofl


speaking of sell stoned.....i just got this sh!t called Train wreck....damn its good!


I suggest that you double the dosage, then see how things look.
Your posts suggest vapor lock syndrome, defiantly double it.

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#492685 - 03/03/09 08:43 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Illahee]
dewbie Offline
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if i doubled the dose, i might call the cops and tell them that i was dead....by the way, are you a commercial fisherman? it sure seems like it when you make all those anti sporty comments on the fishing site.

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#492695 - 03/03/09 09:04 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
...but i cant take anyone seriously who thinks socialism is a good form of government
I can't take anyone serious that voted for Alan Keyes. rofl
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#492700 - 03/03/09 09:14 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Originally Posted By: dewbie
...but i cant take anyone seriously who thinks socialism is a good form of government
I can't take anyone serious that voted for Alan Keyes. rofl


i have heard that before....that is okay with me, its not like the opinion of a lefty would offend me. i mean sh!t, you guys think socialism will work.

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#492704 - 03/03/09 09:23 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Blaming any specific president, whether Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or Obama is a stupid, chickensh!t point that doesn't do anything to advance serious discussion. There's plenty of blame to go around, both left and right. If people are really serious about discussing the economy, discussion would focus on the cost of the stimulus and bailouts, who will pay both current and future costs, who will benefit, what will happen under various scenarios of public/private works projects, what should or shouldn't be done to realign the economy or economic priorities, and so on.....

I'm doing my part. I just bought a new Humminbird 778 and a new Shimano Chronarch 51mg..... doh
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#492705 - 03/03/09 09:24 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: alanmikkelsen]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: alanmikkelsen


I'm doing my part. I just bought a new Humminbird 778 and a new Shimano Chronarch 51mg..... doh


that will put a dent in the pocket book!

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#492728 - 03/03/09 11:03 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Wow, Alan made a relevant and correct post! Thanks man; I didn't think that was your style. Sorry if I misread you.

Sg

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#492764 - 03/04/09 12:56 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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#492793 - 03/04/09 11:07 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: blue water pro
Obama is our president, Our President! Get over it.. he is the president of the US- the leader of the free world, our commandor in chief. Elections are OVER. I have no stomach for those who want him to fail, that is no different to me than saying you want America to fail, you don't, no American does so GET OVER IT!

It would be great if he could talk to wall street like a republican but he can't cause he's a dem, the best he can do is put in place laws that monitor the hell out of them. It would great if he could tell people to have faith, to shop, to buy stock, I would if I thought my country depended on it, what the heck it is only money & freedom is so much more valuable.

Socialism will never work in America, it would only lead to mass crime here, Americans are just not cut out to be socialists. Obama doesn't want to make us socialist, cause it would never work, he is just trying to stretch major losses over a longer period of time, that is all we need, just a little more time. He has Dr. Paul Volcker advising him, Reagan & Clintons guy, if anyone can figure this mess out Volcker is probably the best bet.

Our president has not done anything weird, odd, constraining, or hateful, he is just doing his best to buy us some time, so that we can recover...a little bit of time is all we need.


you are wrong, if he succeeds, socialism succeeds. i hope he fails hard so that America can recover. if he succeeds it would mean that his extreme leftist views would succeed...why would i want that?

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#492834 - 03/04/09 12:39 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Wow, Alan made a relevant and correct post! Thanks man; I didn't think that was your style. Sorry if I misread you.

Sg


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#492839 - 03/04/09 12:49 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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So what do you call the bankers and wall street investors that took government bail out money?
Nobody forced them to take the money, so how is this the Presidents doing?
You and the rest of these "the socialists are coming", need to pull your heads out of your ass.
The fact is these same bankers and investors who promoted the "fair market" no government regulations, are now at the very trough they once scorned.
So your saying more of the same? Sorry that boat has sailed.


Edited by freespool (03/04/09 12:49 PM)

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#492862 - 03/04/09 01:50 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Obama, extreme leftist views???

What I see is that most of the country's resources are currently going to Wall Street, not Main Street. The people's resources are propping up the capitalists. If Obama was really launching some kind of leftist revolution, he would simply seize these companies, and turn the sources of production (and their returns) to society.

It's tough getting much production out of a bunch of pissed off (or scared) peasants, so making sure there's some kind of social safety net of the Social Democratic style, like much of Europe, could actually be in the long term interest of capitalist/wealth.

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#492863 - 03/04/09 01:52 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Illahee]
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i would call the bankers greedy and poor businessmen. the presidents doing is the bailout in the first place, both him and bush were wrong to do it. the socialists arent coming....they are here, and if you disagree then you are probably taking a swim in the nile.

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#492872 - 03/04/09 02:10 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Illahee]
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Dewbie,
This is not socialism, at least not yet. And we all need to pray BO can get us out of this. Back him and never hope our country takes a crap. That is more un-american than even socialism. I hated the Dems betting against us doing well in Iraq and I hate repubs betting against our recovery.
Freespool,
Don't let a bunch of pieces of you know that used thier bought and paid for pols to get what they wanted make you think capitalism does not work. This country was built on a free market and individuals pushing themselves. Remember it was free not fair as you stated. And "More of the same".......not exactly but losing our country because a select few screwed us is not an option either and that is not to say BO is attempting to do that but.......
If we give up and start punishing hard work you will get laziness. Reward laziness and you get more laziness. These bankers and investors should get what they have coming ot them and the pols that let them do it should get theirs as well. Yet we still see individuals getting reelected and now we bail them all out. Bad idea in most cases but you get put between a rock and a hard place. Cant let these giants fail but cant just bail everyone out either at our childrens and grandchildrens expense. What is the right answer.......who knows. But remember what our country was found and built upon, that boat has not sailed yet.
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#492877 - 03/04/09 02:22 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
i would call the bankers greedy and poor businessmen. the presidents doing is the bailout in the first place, both him and bush were wrong to do it. the socialists arent coming....they are here, and if you disagree then you are probably taking a swim in the nile.


We are a country run by majority rule, if you don't like it, then move to another country more aligned with your political views.
The election is over, time to sit back and enjoy a big steaming cup of STFU, your bassakward point of view lost in a landslide, whining about it isn't going to change a thing.

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#492881 - 03/04/09 02:29 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: docspud]
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Originally Posted By: docspud
Dewbie,
This is not socialism, at least not yet. And we all need to pray BO can get us out of this. Back him and never hope our country takes a crap. That is more un-american than even socialism. I hated the Dems betting against us doing well in Iraq and I hate repubs betting against our recovery.
Freespool,
Don't let a bunch of pieces of you know that used thier bought and paid for pols to get what they wanted make you think capitalism does not work. This country was built on a free market and individuals pushing themselves. Remember it was free not fair as you stated. And "More of the same".......not exactly but losing our country because a select few screwed us is not an option either and that is not to say BO is attempting to do that but.......
If we give up and start punishing hard work you will get laziness. Reward laziness and you get more laziness. These bankers and investors should get what they have coming ot them and the pols that let them do it should get theirs as well. Yet we still see individuals getting reelected and now we bail them all out. Bad idea in most cases but you get put between a rock and a hard place. Cant let these giants fail but cant just bail everyone out either at our childrens and grandchildrens expense. What is the right answer.......who knows. But remember what our country was found and built upon, that boat has not sailed yet.


i am not trying to sound like i am betting against America....i love this country and only want it to succeed for obvious reasons. i dont think that we will fail because i dont think that obama will succeed. if obama quits acting like a socialist, then i will back him, but until then he gets no support from me.

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#492882 - 03/04/09 02:29 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Illahee]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: freespool
Originally Posted By: dewbie
i would call the bankers greedy and poor businessmen. the presidents doing is the bailout in the first place, both him and bush were wrong to do it. the socialists arent coming....they are here, and if you disagree then you are probably taking a swim in the nile.


We are a country run by majority rule, if you don't like it, then move to another country more aligned with your political views.
The election is over, time to sit back and enjoy a big steaming cup of STFU, your bassakward point of view lost in a landslide, whining about it isn't going to change a thing.


that was an intelligent response....

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#492887 - 03/04/09 02:36 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
i would call the bankers greedy and poor businessmen.


DUH!!! beathead
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#492889 - 03/04/09 02:40 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
Todd Offline
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I'm surprised that he's managed to singlehandedly ruin our excellent economy in 40 days...I mean, it was really ripping along the day before his Inauguration.

Plus, he's been so busy scheming to take our guns away I don't see how he's had time to ruin our economy, too.

All of the "party, power, and me first!" Republicans are going to take it in the ass hard in the 2010 elections...their true colors are really showing, it's not about the good of the country, it's about the good of themselves, front, back and right down the middle.

At least Republicans like Bobby Jindal are sticking tight to their convictions...it took a lot of balls to refuse a little over 2% of the stimulus money allotted for Louisiana.

His eloquent speech almost convinced me to vote Republican.

Just kidding...I doubt it would have convinced me even if I was eight, because at age 8 I probably still would have thought he sounded like a juvenile ijit.

Fish on...

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#492893 - 03/04/09 02:47 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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so, when you guys were bashing bush, it meant that you were un american and not that you didnt agree with his policies? or does that only work when it is republicans? just curious.

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#492895 - 03/04/09 02:48 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Socialist gun grabbers..............some of this stuff reads like the gaymfishin politics board.

Eight teeth and 75 IQ points between the whole lot of them.

Who is going to point out that Obama isn'y even a citizen, wasn't born here, and is a Muslim too ?

I guess that would be the Alan Keyes dipwad................ rofl

im not sure what this gaymfishin is, but you seem to talk about it a lot....why do you think you are superior to the people on gaymefishin? are you somehow more enlightened? or are you just a dipsh!t that thinks that everyone needs to have the same opinion as you?

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#492897 - 03/04/09 02:49 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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you are wrong, if he succeeds, socialism succeeds. i hope he fails hard so that America can recover. if he succeeds it would mean that his extreme leftist views would succeed...why would i want that? [/quote]

um.... we are trying to recover now. How much worse do you want things to get?

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#492898 - 03/04/09 02:50 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Socialist gun grabbers..............some of this stuff reads like the gaymfishin politics board.

Eight teeth and 75 IQ points between the whole lot of them.

Who is going to point out that Obama isn'y even a citizen, wasn't born here, and is a Muslim too ?

I guess that would be the Alan Keyes dipwad................ rofl



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#492907 - 03/04/09 02:59 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Hey dewbie, what is it about "socialism" that you find so scary? What's your working definition of socialism? I get the impression that what you think is socialism is a little different from what some of us think.

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#492914 - 03/04/09 03:11 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Pisco Sicko]
Todd Offline
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The RWWJ's version of "socialism" means anything to the left of Pat Buchanan...and aren't likely to be able to define it without looking it up on the InterWebz first.

Remember, just because Rush and Hannity say it, doesn't mean it's so...in fact, it's more likely that it's bull$hit if either one of them says it...and listening to Rush and Hannity has almost completely supplanted actual thought and reseach on the part of most RWWJ's...it's easier to just be told what to think, and then go parrot it on a chat page.

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#492920 - 03/04/09 03:16 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Todd]
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socialism is where the government controls money and resources. There are also no classes. no classes would mean that we couldnt have employers because they would all be as poor as the rest of us, which would make us to rely even more heavily on the government. i dont see anything good about that.....i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard.

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#492923 - 03/04/09 03:17 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Todd]
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Doh! Shhhh!! I want to see what would happen if dewbie actually tried to answer it for himself. laugh

Do you remember that I I have another question (or two) for you? grin

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#492927 - 03/04/09 03:19 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
The wingnut poltical boards are full of the Socialist/Muslim stuff, just go visit freerepublic.com.

There, it is the end of civilization as we know it, with a Muslim for President.

They actually are discussing armed volence against the US, because Obama is a Muslim/Socialist and if they don't start soon, America will become just a footnote in the history books, for a good laugh and some lousy spelling, read the comments.

I think a lot of Ala Keyes backers visit that site.................... wink

Keyes and McCain have at least one thing in common, they both got their asses kicked by Obama.................. grin


you make fun of people for spelling mistakes and you cant even spell Alan...or phaistos

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#492929 - 03/04/09 03:20 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
You don't even have a job, do ya dewbie ?


of course i do....i am a rwwj, i also pay my taxes.

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#492932 - 03/04/09 03:24 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Quote:
i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard.


Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already.

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#492934 - 03/04/09 03:25 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
I guess Olbermann and Matthews are all we really need to listen to then.

Thanks Todd....... thumbs


apparently it only works if its republicans...same thing with saying anything against the messiah. liberals are the most intolerant people. if you disagree with them its because you are dumb ass and have mental problems. its not because you were raised differently have a different world view....you are just a dumb ass. thanks toad and KKK for the lesson on tolerance.

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#492937 - 03/04/09 03:28 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Pisco Sicko]
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Originally Posted By: Pisco Sicko
Quote:
i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard.


Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already.


From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. mad
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#492938 - 03/04/09 03:28 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
I don't believe you................... grin

I'm thinkin' you live in your parents basement, and play video games between posting here and surfing porn.



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#492939 - 03/04/09 03:33 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Well when you are in the military, everyone who does a certain job, or holds a certain rank I guess would be more accurate, gets paid the same, right ?

A GS pay scale ............right ?

The get a socialized form of health care, without a doubt.

So.................Is the military already socialist, with Obama playing 'catch up' ?

grin


thats not even relevant.....that is a pay structure for a "business"

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#492945 - 03/04/09 03:36 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
I don't believe you................... grin

I'm thinkin' you live in your parents basement, and play video games between posting here and surfing porn.


KK....go fvck yourself. elite

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#492947 - 03/04/09 03:38 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Does the truth hurt a little Dew-dew?



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#492948 - 03/04/09 03:38 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: Pisco Sicko
Quote:
i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard.


Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already.


From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. mad


so you want to punish them by taxing them more because why? you didnt get any? im sure their wealth increased because of sound investments. it is their money, who cares how much they have or how much it increased? it shouldn't be anybody else's business

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#492949 - 03/04/09 03:40 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: hohbomb73]
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Originally Posted By: hohbomb73
Does the truth hurt a little Dew-dew?



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#492952 - 03/04/09 03:43 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Originally Posted By: dewbie
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: Pisco Sicko
Quote:
i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard.


Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already.


From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. mad


so you want to punish them by taxing them more because why? you didnt get any? im sure their wealth increased because of sound investments. it is their money, who cares how much they have or how much it increased? it shouldn't be anybody else's business


Dewb-

I didn't say anything about punishing them. Due to a favorable tax system, the wealthiest people in america pay less percentage wise than the middle class - that does not seem fair to me, they should at least pay as much percentage wise as anyone else. A true patriot wants to pay as much to his/her government as possible, especially in these troubled times. wink
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#492960 - 03/04/09 03:49 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: dewbie
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
[quote=Pisco Sicko]
Quote:
i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard.


Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already.


From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. mad


so you want to punish them by taxing them more because why? you didnt get any? im sure their wealth increased because of sound investments. it is their money, who cares how much they have or how much it increased? it shouldn't be anybody else's business


Dewb-

I didn't say anything about punishing them. Due to a favorable tax system, the wealthiest people in america pay less percentage wise than the middle class - that does not seem fair to me, they should at least pay as much percentage wise as anyone else. A true patriot wants to pay as much to his/her government as possible, especially in these troubled times. wink [/quote]

im not sure where you got your facts from, but you might want to double check.

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#492963 - 03/04/09 03:51 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
dewbie Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Such foul language from the little boy with mommy's computer........ rofl

Watch out, after snack time she might start reading what you post, then no more computer for you, or X-Box either.

rofl


kk, the political arguments were much more productive...why have you resorted to this? it shows a lack of maturity on your part....arent you an old man? shouldnt you know better? oh wait...you are a liberal

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#492969 - 03/04/09 03:55 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Which math classes were you skipping in school?


None. I scored 200 points higher on my SAT than our class valedictorian smile In all fairness though, she was a paper pusher, not a savant.

Here's a quote from the linked article:

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
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#492971 - 03/04/09 03:59 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Dewb-

I didn't say anything about punishing them. Due to a favorable tax system, the wealthiest people in america pay less percentage wise than the middle class - that does not seem fair to me, they should at least pay as much percentage wise as anyone else. A true patriot wants to pay as much to his/her government as possible, especially in these troubled times. [/quote]


Mike,
Have you ever read how the tax system works? Please tell me this was a joke. This is the type of crap we expect from KK backed up by some cut and paste from some obscure never disclosed lwwj internet sight past off as fact.
We have a graduated tax scale in this country and the "rich" pay far more than anyone else. Not only more because of higher income but a much higher % as well. And that % is on its way up.
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#492979 - 03/04/09 04:05 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: docspud]
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Please refer to the linked article.

Also, do you really think Warren Buffet would be hurt by paying the same percentage as his secretary? He's the third richest man in the world, I think he can afford to pay.

The worst offenders are the corporations however.... stir

PS Buffet mentions in the article that he DID NOT TRY FOR TAX BREAK INCENTIVES when he was taxed at 17.7% - he could have paid an even lower percentage.


Edited by Mikespike (03/04/09 04:07 PM)
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#492983 - 03/04/09 04:12 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
Pisco Sicko Offline
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Quote:
The worst offenders are the corporations however.... stir


You mean like this?

Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1249465620080812?sp=true

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#492985 - 03/04/09 04:16 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Pisco Sicko]
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Pisco!

And as further evidence of my tinfoil hattery, notice how my article and yours are from foreign news agencies? That's proof that it's all lies, lies I tell ya! rofl
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#492989 - 03/04/09 04:33 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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God forbid that we should have health care results comparable to those socialist Europeans.

Quote:
Health Care

Similarly on health care, the Obama administration can learn from what works in Europe. The World Health Organization (WHO) rates European countries as having the best health care systems in the world, spending, on average, far less than the United States for universal coverage and quality results. France has the top-rated health care system, while the United States is ranked 37th - just ahead of Cuba and Slovenia. In the Czech Republic, a proposal to introduce a 30 K? co-payment per office visit nearly toppled the government, as health care is considered a basic right in the social contract.

The United States ranks 28th in the world in infant mortality, at seven deaths per 1,000 live births, tied with Poland and Slovakia, and substantially higher than Sweden (3.4 deaths), France (4.3 deaths) and Germany (4.5 deaths). In life expectancy, the United States ranks 29th, its 77 years lags behind Italy (81 years), France (80 years), Sweden (81 years) and Germany (79 years), and about the same level as South Korea (76 years) and Cuba (77 years). The United States has fewer per capita physicians, nurses and hospital beds, fewer MRI and CT scanners than the average for other advanced nations, and has the highest rate of medical errors (receiving the wrong medication, incorrect test results, a mistake in treatment or late notification about abnormal results). Due to excessively high out-of-pocket expenses, Americans are also much more likely than citizens of other nations to skip recommended follow-up care, fail to fill prescriptions and forgo doctors' visits altogether, things which exacerbate health problems and lead to preventable suffering and more expensive treatments down the road.

In addition to providing better health coverage, somehow Europe also manages to spend less. According to the WHO, the United States spends the equivalent of 16.5 percent of its economy on health care, about $6,100 per person, compared to an average 8.6 percent in EU countries. France spends just $3,500 per person, or about 10.7 percent of its economy. As Dr. Christopher Murray, director of WHO's Global Program on Evidence for Health Policy, says, "Basically, you die earlier and spend more time disabled if you're an American rather than a member of most other advanced countries."



http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2009/learning_europe_10234

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#492993 - 03/04/09 04:46 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
How were the political arguments productive ?


Besides, I still think you live at you parents house.

Anybody who sides with Alan Keyes is sort of out there to begin with, obviously not worth the time to take seriously.

You're good for a few eye rolls and head shakes when reading your posts, but not much else.

Your definition of scialism showed that much.




and i think you like it in the ass, but its just an assumption. Alan Keyes is a cool dude and the fact that you think he is a "wingnut" isnt surprising seeing as you have the mental capacity of a three year old....what is wrong with my definition of socialism? do you have a better one?

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#492999 - 03/04/09 04:57 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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Dewb-

I guess we're done talking about the tax system wink

Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican. Unfortunately for me, that would be more like an Eisenhower republican. frown
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#493001 - 03/04/09 05:02 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
You're obsessed with homosexual behavior, aren't ya dewbie ?

Admit it, you're a closeted Larry Craig type, aren't ya ?

Republicans here seem absolutely consumed by gay sex acts, seeing as they post about them all the time.

Better not let your Mom see that one, she'll take away your X-box......... rofl
you didnt answer the question

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#493005 - 03/04/09 05:11 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican.


Does that mean you are forced to wear an ankle GPS unit and report to both your counselor and parole officer on a daily or weekly basis?

Oh wait, that's a registered sex offender.

My mistake. The two are so closely related....

laugh
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#493007 - 03/04/09 05:13 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: The Moderator]
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If that's your definition of socialisam, dewbie, then you are definitely getting your news from Hannity or Rush...expand your horizons a bit.

Calling the U.S. or anything happening here right now "socialist" would make as much sense as calling the past 8 years "good for our country"...

Fish on...

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#493010 - 03/04/09 05:16 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: The Moderator]
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Originally Posted By: parker
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican.


Does that mean you are forced to wear an ankle GPS unit and report to both your counselor and parole officer on a daily or weekly basis?

Oh wait, that's a registered sex offender.

My mistake. The two are so closely related....

laugh


Just because Eisenhower was bald, doesn't mean he was gay. I don't even know what that means. rofl rofl rofl

Now, go chase some skunks daggumbit!


Edited by Mikespike (03/04/09 05:17 PM)
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#493012 - 03/04/09 05:21 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
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This thread could really use some hot chicks in bikinis.......
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#493014 - 03/04/09 05:28 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: The Moderator]
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Originally Posted By: parker
This thread could really use some hot chicks in bikinis.......


As a concerned foster parent and uptight upright moral citizen, I will not be goaded into my prior salacious behavior. wink

(except for the brewer thread, and it was worth it beer)


Edited by Mikespike (03/04/09 05:29 PM)
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#493023 - 03/04/09 05:36 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: The Moderator]
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#493025 - 03/04/09 05:36 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: parker
This thread could really use some hot chicks in bikinis.......


As a concerned foster parent and uptight upright moral citizen, I will not be goaded into my prior salacious behavior. wink

(except for the brewer thread, and it was worth it beer)


false advertising, i just went to that thread and saw nothing....dissapointed.

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#493029 - 03/04/09 05:41 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: dewbie]
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My bad. 30lb steelhead thread - pic was for brewer.
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#493033 - 03/04/09 05:46 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
You guys are a bunch of media swilling foolz.................. grin

If it ain't on Rush, Hannity, Savage, or Beck, it ain't sh!t............. smile



You left out...Laura Ingraham....my fave!
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#493036 - 03/04/09 05:53 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Mikespike]
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Originally Posted By: Mikespike
My bad. 30lb steelhead thread - pic was for brewer.


gotcha...that was a good thread

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#493037 - 03/04/09 06:09 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: The Moderator]
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Originally Posted By: parker
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican.


Does that mean you are forced to wear an ankle GPS unit and report to both your counselor and parole officer on a daily or weekly basis?

Oh wait, that's a registered sex offender.

My mistake. The two are so closely related....

laugh


And another thing Parker! Are you calling John Wayne a republican?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uv_WGEHr4I
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#493175 - 03/05/09 10:14 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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I've prospered and thrived in a socialist system for almost 30 years now, so I'm a little ambivalent concerning the fears of those like Dewbie. I'm wondering, though, what other countries, other than the US, do not have some sort of socialist-type support for its citizens? And of those countries, how many have sound economies right now?
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#493208 - 03/05/09 12:48 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Effective 1 Apr 2009, those that were in the 25% tax bracket can welcome themselves to the 28% bracket. Hope your "stimulus" covers that.


Hankster!

We also get the new state sales tax increase on April 1st. I'm so stoked mad
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#493227 - 03/05/09 01:30 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
I've prospered and thrived in a socialist system for almost 30 years now


Good for you! I'm glad your proud to admit you need someone holding your hand.

Sheep.....

How's the market doin' this morning?
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#493241 - 03/05/09 02:02 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: RowVsWade]
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admitted socialist?? wow.....thats messed up





Try a little gentler vocabulary


Edited by Jerry Garcia (03/05/09 03:20 PM)

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#493445 - 03/05/09 10:39 PM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: ]
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rVw and dewbie,

Why do you hate the military so much? Jealous?
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#493944 - 03/08/09 01:14 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: The Moderator]
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Originally Posted By: parker
This thread could really use some hot chicks in bikinis.......


No shi@t....



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#493945 - 03/08/09 01:24 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Magicfly]
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#493948 - 03/08/09 01:29 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Magicfly]
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#493949 - 03/08/09 01:33 AM Re: It only took Obama 40 days to. [Re: Magicfly]
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Good lord........
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