how many of you are going to watch or did watch.
what did you think of it? try to keep it civil please

Watching it now. So far so good. Except I need to check my last pay stub. Obama said no one's income tax was increased. I got a cola increase, yet my last net deposit was less. It was probably needed to help fund some TARP bank CEO's bonus.

Sg

I'm waiting for when he talks about hard working Union people...like the ones that work out at Hanford.

Mf

"Ok, let's post all ear-marked funds on a public website." and "Let's post all contacts that lobbyist's make, and strictly control how much they give in gratuities." (all paraphrased)

:cough: Anybody buying that?

He speaks real purdy, don't he?

There will be lots of analysis of this speech, but it will surprise the Hell out of me, if much content comes to fruition.

OTOH.....if I am amazed....it would be soooooo good.

I personally like the idea of education reform. Trying to get ahead while managing student loans on the crappy pay a lot of entry level positions offer to new grads is next to impossible and will only get worse with 14% + tuition hikes.

C'mon Hank... he coulda promised to end government spending all together and toss Nancy Pelosi into Gitmo just for good measure and you'd STILL hate him.

It's just how you roll.

This is why I didn't even bother to watch, he is so out of his element it isnt even funny.

I like how he's continuing to move farther and farther to the left...'specially when he talks about tax cuts and spending freezes.

Fish on...

Todd

What do you all think about a sitting president criticizing the Supreme Court of US in a joint session of congress?? That has to be one of the most inappropriate and distasteful things I have seen in politics.

No doubt...hopefully the SCOTUS apologizes soon.

I think he was saying..."you lie"

Big pile of sh!t is what we just got handed. Lots of spin from both sides.

I had it on and heard bits and pieces as I snoozed, even missed the rebuttal from the other side in the end. Did hear the part about getting a tax credit for hiring somebody. Seems to me you would need something for the new hire to do.

Hank,
Stretch cant make that smile diappear. To much botox....Kinda like the joker.

Seemed like he had a laundry list to me. One thing checked off after another. Sure to touch all the "key" words that would get a good response from the public. Seemed like he had a very big ego in this speach as well. A whole lot of "I" and "me" moments.

Some just off the wall stuff to become a populist as well. One of the more funny ones are the 10% of income for student loans.....great idea but how are we going to pay for that. If done, banks would stop loaning money to students for student loans. And besides, they have programs now that you can pay back these amounts any number of different ways from putting off to teired to interest only to ect...... And what, we pay for them forever or I forgot, they will be forgiven after 10 to twenty years......when he is no longer president. That wont be cheap and thus will never happen. But populist just the same and got the best marks of the speach, true or not.

As much as I like him and will still give him the benefit, the constant campaign and some of these ideas are making it tougher. I will give him one more year before I give up on him though. Go BO. Still pullin for ya to get us out of this mess.

Princess,
His education reform is not directed towards everyone. Last week when he announced the program he said this is to help minorities.

He stood in a room full LIFETIME senators and legislators and said they have done nothing for decades. Maybe he should have suggested term limits?

I thought it was good as far as state of the unions go and had some added humility as well. A far cry from the whiney podium monkey and his evil organ grinder of the last eight years.

Can one of you conservatives name ONE thing the Obama administration has done that goes AGAINST GOP policy?

I mean BESIDES being and nominating minorities to cabinet?

I mean actually put into working practice, not just talked about...

Its hard to top starting two wars in Asia and trashing the world economy.

Treating terrorist's like U.S citizens for starters.

I about spit up the wine I was drinking when the Gov giving the Republican rebuttal slammed "deficit spending." So deficit spending for eight years under Republican Bush was good, and Cheny said deficits don't count any more, but one year so far of deficit spending under Obama in response to the second greatest financial crisis the country has known is somehow unacceptable. Sure is funny how some Republicans think.

Sg

"Treating terrorist's like U.S citizens for starters."

Yeah trials and lawyers and courts and all that crap. The govt should just be able to execute whomever they want.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. Private student loans were pretty free flowing in my college days and there really wasn't anything in place to insure they were really spent on education.



I'm not disputing that you may be right, but could you site your source?



It's as if they expect their mess to be cleaned up over night...

zzzzzzinng!
nailed it....well done.
I thought it was a pretty even and thoughtful speech.
Called out both sides of congress to take responsibility.
I have see worse in the last 9 years.

I have never really been an Obama supporter.

He is an amazing speaker and knows how to rally a reaction. It was actually fun to watch and I enjoyed the digs he put in. It was pretty impressive to hear him demand the bills be on his desk by a certain date. Wielding the authority.

If he can stick to his guns the man could accomplish some great things for our country.

You mean respecting the constitution and the right of due process? Republicans scream 'freedom this' and 'liberty that' with their silly little teabag parties, but when they're in charge they wipe their asses with the bill of rights every chance they get.

I'm still waiting for an answer.

Boy there is going to be a Kool Aid shortage pretty soon if this keeps up.

Enemny combatants should be tried in military courts, not in our courts of law.

Obama has done a great job so far! Praise Obama!

Irie, just a question and a comment for you ..... since when does an enemy combatant ( Even President Obama has said we are at "war" with Al-Queda) have ANY constitutional rights let alone the right to due process?

And as far as your comment about President Bush not having minorities in his administration, he did in fact have the first black secretary of state (Colin Powell) and the first female (who also happened to be black) secretary of state in Condeleeza Rice. Alberto Gonzalez was also the first minority to be Attorney General. Before Bush took office, no minority had EVER (not even in the Clinton Admin.) occupied any of the four highest-profile Cabinet positions -- attorney general and the secretaries of the Defense, State and Treasury departments.

Grave Breaches (of the Geneva Conventions)
Not all violations of the treaty are treated equally. The most serious crimes are termed grave breaches, and provide a legal definition of a war crime. Grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions include the following acts if committed against a person protected by the convention:

willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments
willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health
compelling one to serve in the forces of a hostile power
willfully depriving one of the right to a fair trial. (BINGO)
Also considered grave breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention are the following:

taking of hostages
extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly
unlawful deportation, transfer, or confinement.[8]
Nations who are party to these treaties must enact and enforce legislation penalizing any of these crimes.[9] Nations are also obligated to search for persons alleged to commit these crimes, or ordered them to be committed, and to bring them to trial regardless of their nationality and regardless of the place where the crimes took place.

The principle of universal jurisdiction also applies to the enforcement of grave breaches. Toward this end, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia were established by the United Nations to prosecute alleged violations.

Still waiting.

That would be for persons wearing a uniform of their army!

Enemy combatants are considered no different, as far as the Geneva convention is concerned, as a spy. Most spies, when caught, are shot on site during times of war. Do you suggest we put foreign spies thru domestic courts?

The United States Constitution protects American Citizens only!!!

Spies and terrorists have no protection under the Geneva Convention or the Constitution.

Now that Obama and the D's are in power when will they roll back all those evil laws that destroyed your "freedom this" and "liberty that!"

Still waiting-

As far as the SOTU address not real impressed. I'm more interested in actions then words but until then..............

Give me a year to fill my garage up with a thousand cases of whiskey and then all vote for prohabition too!

When Thomas Jefferson sent the US Marine Corps after the Barbary Pirates did we bring them to US shores so they could go to a lower Manhatten Court or did they kill the sons a bitches!

I'm not necessarily anti liberal (I agree with some domestic policies) but the average liberals understanding of history is a freaking joke!!!!!

I was awaiting your rebuttel and was going to answer we'll debate it next time you catch a fish which typically only occurs on my boat

Tides looking good the weekend of the 12th!

Mandatory OT! Yikes! Will be trying my hand Saturday on a local "S" zipperlip though.

That little brown dog will most certianly take care of any smoked humpie's you might have laying around!

Good luck Sunday!

Nada-I've actualy got the whole day off-Imagine that!

"Enemy combatants are considered no different, as far as the Geneva convention is concerned, as a spy."

You need a court of law to determine which label to give them not some politician who chooses the most convenient label which was specifically in order to skirt the Geneva Convention.

Even spies have their day in court.

Don't you ever go fishing? All I see are your posts all over this forum spewing your amazing fishing "knowledge." I need not even ask that question -- I already know the answer... you aren't fishing because you live in San Francisco. Typical Californian...

Don't you have anything better to do than frequent a FISHING forum?

This pathetic reply only further solidifies my assumption that you don't actually fish. When you learn how to catch salmon and steelhead you should come back and share the experience.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said "typical Californian." I should have just said "Californian." 'Nuff said.

Sounds like this clown has an infected sandy clam ?

That's what I'm saying! He really needs to do something about it.

I'll never go to California. My state is so inundated with them I wouldn't need to. Why would I want you to teach me how to tie knots? That's the lamest thing I've ever heard, and a bad excuse to show that you're a "fisherman." Also, how could the I in my avatar stand for ignorant? It stands for Idaho -- the Idaho Vandals, my alma mater. But you wouldn't know anything about college judging by your atrocious spelling.

How is working for Idaho?

And let me be the first from all in the PNW that you aren't welcome here . We're at capacity with Kalifornians. One more will burst us at the seam.

Got a craving for mikkeboots?

Well feel free to use any interstate in ID, just don't leave the rest stops. If you have to buy gas, please do so in a timely manner and don't go on any state highways. You might also want to cover up your california plates or put some fake ID plates on.

Hank's a wide stancer?

Crap, I should have written that he shouldn't leave the freeway except for the rest stop. My bad. But by all means, if toe tapping in order then don't hesitate.

Every time Hankster posts something you make a quick follow-up with a smart comment, except not as well thought-out as Hank. You two aren't in cahoots with each other are you... like in the illegal way?

See, you just did it again. Except this time you didn't put in a .

Does this mean you're from California too?

See that little red dot in the Bay Area?.....that's Hank's house.....shows up real good surrounded by that sea of blue. I think he's related to Ann Frank.....hiding in an attic waiting for the inevitable.

Just don't stand on the wrong side of that crack or you may have perch closer than you'd like.

Sorry I didn't stay around, old man. I had things to do besides arguing with Californians and their junior sidekicks.

I just have to ask, how do you sound puny?

Wow, California doesn't even have as much smugness as this thread.

Actually I was past my bedtime. I'm on eastern time right now. I was surprised to see you up past 7:00. Aren't you like 70?

Actually yes. For some reason I slept 9 hours last night... and the night before that.

I'm still waiting for Hank to answer the question......So, how DO you sound puny, Hank? No.....really!