Not sure it gets the best person elected. But it does reflect the will of the voters.

And your is that socialist democrats couldn't make it in many parts of America. You just want to wipe out competition. Lefties hate competition, it's just not fair!

I would take Ron Paul over Jerry Brown any day.

What do you know about Gerry Brown Marz... besides what you've heard on FOX News?

He's so worked up he forgot his lines.

I think he meant to say "Socialist, bleeding heart liberal, Nancy Polosi/terrorist/Muslim loving, America hating, Democrats".

Where isn't there more competition than in the big population centers...which happen to vote "liberal".

I was referring to Jerry Brown, State attouney Gen for CA, Mayor of Oakland, presidential candidate... I am not sure who Gerry Brown is.

Well I was born and raised in Oakland where my family still lives. I was a victim of Prop 13 as a kid, school and public pools drained and covered, music programs in school tanked among other stuff that was important to a kid. His run Mayor have had poor results to turn that city around as he has consistently pandered to the very things that keep Oakland a [censored] hole.

I suggest you don't assume to much about me, I don't watch Fox news and I have actually had quite a direct experience with Mr. Brown.

What do you call screwing a 9 year old out of school music and civic swimming programs? Progressive?

+100 on RP BTW.

Viva la R3volution

What do you call screwing a 9 year old out of school music and civic swimming programs? Progressive? [/quote]

A drowning wingnut, that can't carry a beat?

Sorry Marz, I guess misspelled his name. His middle name is Gerald, so I thought he spelled Jerry with a G. Same guy though.

That's great that at 9 years old you were already politically aware. I was in high school and college when he was the governor of CA. I even vaguely remember his dad Pat as gov, or at least my parents talking about him. I was born in Frisco, raised in Fairfield and moved to Sac in 1980 to go to school.

I remember Prop 13 too... and if I'm not mistaken, it was a citizen tax revolt. In fact, it was kinda right up Ron Paul's ideological alley. So, if you were a victim of it... why do you support a candidate who, as president would most likely work to have the same result at the Federal level?

Remember, Brown didn't pass Prop 13... the voters did.

What do you call screwing a 9 year old out of school music and civic swimming programs? Progressive?


I would say that's a RWWJ's dream. Ending all that socialist stuff like free pools and music programs. Now if we could get rid of that other socialist stuff like public schools, fire depts, police, state mental hospitals, homes for the disabled and the rest of gubmint we would be in a paradise.

Had JB done his job and reduced taxes, a massive outrage would have never happened. So the initiative was a direct reaction to his actions (or lack thereof) as Governor... well at least this is the general theory of most who lived through it and my history teachers, but I am sure you are probably right, since you did call me a wingnut and all.

My point was not prop 13 anyway, it was my experience with JB and that being the first among many things that has soured me on him. His unyielding support of CARB who almost killed the company I work for about a month before Christmas 2000 was another. His reaction to a devastating crime rate to put up cameras and enforce a curfew is another... (I had a dear friend shot in the head and killed during this time, after curfew and the cameras didn't do a thing)... talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight... it was a rubber butter knife to a war, but hey... if you like him, more power to ya... I heard he likes Jefferson Airplane and the Doors, so he must be pretty cool right?

I am a limited government type, but that doesn't mean that I am pigeon holed by some sort of blind party faith... I am just gonna call [censored], [censored].

Having two of either party is like your choices being chocolate or dark chocolate. Population centers don't have true competition because your dealing with a captive audience. With a starbucks on every corner, sure it's popular, but where's the room for Dutch Bros, Aalan Bros etc.? There's a few here and there but unless you want to go out of your way, starbucks is your only/convienent choice. Obviously the "kid" part of your name is pretty accurate.

Marz... If he would have "done his job" and reduced taxes before Prop 13... you would STILL have lost your swimming pool and music program. How many ways do you want to have it?

Hey, Brown dated Linda Ronstadt back when she was hot... so that's gotta give him at least some cred right there.

So of all the time that name was on the TV screen in Ca you still spelled it wrong? Whatever, I just dont dig your smug attitude in your original post.

Yes, the liberal state of CA passed Prop 13 as a result of Browns lack of action to regulate taxes... You should know this as it was discussed throughout the years and was even a topic in civics when I was a kid.

No, at 9 years old I was bummed there was no pools in the summer and I couldn't play Sax without buying or renting an instrument. I wasn't politically aware, but I didn't forget it. Through the years I tacked that POS move on to JB list along with the beautiful new section 8 housing apartments and CARB. .

Oh so my distaste for Jerry Brown is based in [censored]?



None of that ever happened?

Is that how you defend yourself? First you try to call me BS names like wingnut then just call [censored] and say I am playing the "victim"?

CARB seized a shipment of 2 stroke engines at the port of Oakland in Oct. 2000, call em and ask them about it.

The kid that got shot was named Mark Sorensen, he was an artist.

You asked why I dont like him I told you... go ahead and call [censored] on things that you disagree with, is that the same as wishing them away?

No band camp either?

Bet they wouldn't mind having that surplus now.

If Marz wants free music and swimming lessons, why doesn't he just move to a socialist country?