No, if there is no demand for a product there are no jobs. Businesses having money is not what create jobs. Demand for products create jobs. And it isn't only a corporation that is able to create/manufacture products.

If you don't have a Job, then there is no money, and reduced demand.

Who creates/manufacturer products besides corporations and farmers?

And due to liability laws, most are incorporated in some shape or form.

Correct, but unfortunately voters and elected officals are too Fukking stupid figure that out. Try and build a new building for a business, even in a town who's economy is in the shitter and you'll find out rather quickly that goverment is not the answer, its the problem...

Houses are easy, try and build commercial/manufacturing anywhere it seems as of late.

Oh AM the increased taxes is from urban growth has been the holy grail of local governments. Lived in this state most of my life and compared to what it was when I was in high school this state stinks. You could get a job 2 hours after you quite one when I was 25 and Seattle was one of the best working class cities in the country. I mean it was really something special and the surrounding areas were a natural play ground.

All BS aside, all that growth has done nothing but destroy everything natural, degrade the quality of the urban area's, screw up the water & air, in fact we have went from a state known for charting it's own way and independent citizens to a bunch of sheep waiting to get fleeced like the rest.

Nah AM doubtful the growth has been good for anything but politicians.

I am in the same biz. I agree whole-heartedly with your post. When I graduated, I think the guy who hired me just checked for a pulse and gave me a contract.

My boss keeps saying "The 'B' team is unemployed, and they are not allowed back in this office". In this area, even some of the A-team is unemployed. Luckily I have kept my A team intact, but every now and then I hear that a person I have coveted before is floating around and I just wish some huge project would drop so I could pick them up.

Mason county does have a little growth. I believe both of the new Bio-Gen facilities being built there, are only being built because of the Fed money available for the 'green' power. If they get caught up in red-tape (bearucratic-environmental) past the fed-money deadline for construction, they will not get completed.

Precisely the arguement I made above when others rail against gov't employees.

You need to broaden your understanding of the concept of "product." Security is a product (firefighters, police, military), education is a product (teachers, professors), recreation is a genre of products (game wardens, park rangers, etc.) So, the government itself employs many that produce products that you rely on everyday. The more people that move here to occupy the houses built by private contractors, the more products will be necessary from government employees. The more people laid off, the more product required by government.

But many products are over priced or are not a good value......

But, no matter how hard they try to make it so, the governement "product" will never be self sustaining...

Like?

And 'overpriced' according to whom?

Much like those widgets marked up 300% for the CEO tax, yet you don't complain of that.

I disagree. For instance, let's take engineers. You can sit home and engineer crap all day long, but if there's no demand for your product, there's no market. Ergo, engineering is not self sustaining. In reality, government is the only entity that is self sustaining. Government prints money, controls the value, and can provide services to itself.

Communism. Recognized government that has proven in history to be self sustaining. Government that uses pure socialism as a fiscal principle is argueably self sufficient.

Show me any private company/corporation that has survived without government.

gh, your request is unreasonable in-as-much as government insists on getting into any/all business, hence no business is allowed to succeed on it's own merits.
To me there is a big difference between government "assistance" and government control.
Government should, IMO, remain quietly in the background and come forward only in cases of emergency (I would use the word "need", but there are plenty of interpretations of that word....kind of like "interesting" )
Benevolent dictatorship is not....repeat NOT what this country is all about. Want jobs? Cut back on the demands placed on the employer. As an employer, he/she is entitled to a profit instead of being sucked dry by demands which spell the death of a company.

Let me add this as an edit: It seems to me that we now live in a time of continual "emergency". We listen to the "Be Afraid" hype promoted by every special interest group imaginable. I'm guessing it comes from most folks never having experienced any sort of real emergency, nor chosen to step into the path of danger because someone needed help.
I'm done.

Slab,

My comments aren't about the United States government, per se, but the idea of government. I was merely countering someone's assertion that government was not self-sustaining. There are examples in history of government types not relying on any outside entity to exist.

It's not so much that a government insists on being involved in businesses' affairs, it's rather that part of government's role is to print and vaule currency. Business depends on that for capital. Business cannot survive without government as a stakeholder.

Better watch it, gh.

Hank is fixin' to throw down.

Hey RR just caught your bit about Green jobs where you are. You know about the only thing Al Gore ever said that made sense was the need to put together a energy program equal to the WWII effort to get away from fossil fuels. SOB is right on that one. You would think the present administration would grab it rather than Cap & Trade, Stimulus that is not one, health reform that is a pile of crap ( hang on libs because on this one your right as a single pay system is the only way to cover everyone and it will still come along )

The technology is out there but is not cost effective as long as the government continues the policy of artificial energy prices. This link is to Bloom Inc and they already build units that are powering buildings. http://www.bloomenergy.com/ The transformation from fossil fuels to alternate and natural gas will transform our country, end dependence on foreign oil, allow our military to return home, restore our balance of payments in trade, AND PROVIDE MILLIONS OF NEW JOBS.

Despite all the bravado from politicians on all sides the simple fact is this, nobody has the balls to lead. Pretty sad but the day is coming that will change things, it is a question of when not if.

Labor Dept. Estimates $7.1 Billion in Overpayments to Unemployed
Overpayment Figure Increases From $4.2 Billion the Previous Year


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/underemployed-overpaid-states-shell-unemployment/story?id=11118137