#638502 - 11/28/10 08:22 PM
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Wow A new world record. He just managed to piss off almost every goverment in the world, wonder how much time will be spent trying to find who ever takes him out.. 
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#638597 - 11/29/10 02:11 AM
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Treason. Shoot him.
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#638621 - 11/29/10 10:21 AM
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I think he's a Danish citizen. Nope Aussie so it's not treason. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
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#638658 - 11/29/10 11:55 AM
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Our soldier released the data. Start therem, SBD.
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#638664 - 11/29/10 12:07 PM
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Yeah.. I think he's up for court martial for that clip of the Apache taking out the Reuters reporters.
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#638765 - 11/29/10 05:58 PM
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Sunlight is the best disinfectant....
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#638773 - 11/29/10 06:24 PM
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Sunlight is the best disinfectant.... Indeed. Anyone attempting to hide the truth is far more questionable to me than someone that tells me truth that I don't want to hear. Thank God for whistleblowers.
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#638779 - 11/29/10 06:29 PM
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I agree but there are limits, guess my neighbors could record everything thats being said on our block then pass out copys to everyone.
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#638789 - 11/29/10 06:47 PM
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Being ignorant of the super secret Squirrel clandestine activities of our government may be bliss but doesn't our ignorance in some ways passively enable our government to do whatever the he/she/it feels like doing without check or restraint? On the flip side, if the expectation of privacy is taken away from these people, the unintended consequence this type of leak will likely have is candid state communications coming to a screeching halt.... edit...until the federal government can figure out a privacy solution they can tax us billions for. 
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#638799 - 11/29/10 07:08 PM
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Yes poor analogy but my point is people talk about people it's human nature. It would be only fair now for WikiLeaks to release some info on what other nations are saying about us behind our backs and you can bet they are.
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#638810 - 11/29/10 07:36 PM
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I'm sure the only thing they can agree on right now is how to shut him up.
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#638814 - 11/29/10 07:42 PM
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I have a HUGE issue with someone violating their security clearance. I would certainly hate to see one individual harmed because of the release of this data. I don't mean their feelings or pride. I mean them being tortured, maimed, or killed.
I'm not going to read every page, but if someone dies because of this soldier's leak, charge him with it.
Then again, I guess some folks don't see it as a big issue.
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#638825 - 11/29/10 08:25 PM
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As is true with so many things it's a matter of degree. I think almost anything that does not affect national security should be subject to sunlight. But some of this stuff was private conversations about matters that do affect national security. That, to me, is over the line.
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#638844 - 11/29/10 09:17 PM
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Judging by the age and breadth of the leaked documents, I doubt the soldier from Iraq was the source. More likely someone inside the state department, or maybe even a number of various sources collected over a period of time.
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#638848 - 11/29/10 09:33 PM
Re: WikiLeaks sparks worldwide diplomatic crisis
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As is true with so many things it's a matter of degree. I think almost anything that does not affect national security should be subject to sunlight. But some of this stuff was private conversations about matters that do affect national security. That, to me, is over the line. I take it that you're perfectly fine with our government making secret deals with with other countries and large corporations? This has nothing to do with national security. It has everything to do with making our government transparent. Every American has a right to know what the government is doing and why. Last time I checked we live in a democracy (kind of), not a totalitarian government. Fear the military-industrial-complex.
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#638860 - 11/29/10 10:13 PM
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What I believe is that some things need to be secret. I.e. if we learn the identity of a spy we do not need to tell the world. To do so would not be in our best interests. Do you think Ike should have publicized the detail of the D Day invasion? If not, exactly where do you draw the line?
Do I think confidentiality has been abused to cover up political misdeeds, of course, but that does not mean nothing should ever be confidential.
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#638876 - 11/29/10 11:02 PM
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This has nothing to do with national security. It has everything to do with making our government transparent. Every American has a right to know what the government is doing and why. Last time I checked we live in a democracy (kind of), not a totalitarian government.
Fear the military-industrial-complex.
I don't believe every American should have the rights you speak of, but that's another matter. I feel that much of the information simply isn't ready for John Q Public to read on the front page of the W.S.J. or N.Y.T. There is a lot of strategy and forethought involved with many of these decisions that John Q just wont be able to understand because he doesn't have the required experience or know what context the comments or decisions were made within. There has to be a fair middle ground here. Perhaps make similar information available to those who seek it, but disallow the broadest forms of publication, or something like that. For Now, I appreciate what Julian Assange and his followers are trying to do. Hopefully it will make the government more accountable to itself..something we all know is badly needed. Especially these days when Ethics and Jurisprudence office budgets are being slashed like sled trailer tires on the O.P. on that note, My Step-mother is Carol Van Noy, who headed up the City of Seattle ethics office until she retired....You wouldn't believe the crap that ISN'T published that is common knowledge inside city hall. Corruption has no boundaries. For the record, if anyone takes out Julian, Wikileaks will continue. He knows he is vulnerable as the organization's front man, and has support around the world that will continue his work even if he is jailed or killed.
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#638962 - 11/30/10 03:16 AM
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If you don't want to see this country totally fall apart then don't hope for world peace.
When everyone in the world is wealthy to the point they cant spend it all, don't need work, no one will keep score at the apple cup and there are plenty of wild fish for all there will be no world peace...
Yea lets be a totally transparent world power hey lets tell everybody how much everyone else makes and how hard they work for it to. that way no one can take advantage of me and I wont take advantage of any one or any country either. Its going to be a beautiful day weeee
lets vote on everything blue ink or black ink maybe black background with white text white background with black text ooh colors. Not alot of people other than you and I are capable of these decisions and sometimes I'm not so sure about you....
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#639001 - 11/30/10 11:23 AM
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Maybe JPMC.
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#639004 - 11/30/10 11:24 AM
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The scary stuff will come out when this guy is dead. Shouldn't be long unless he is blackmailing a lot of people. Dangerous job but now soneone will do it...
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#639005 - 11/30/10 11:25 AM
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That would be good too since there's still alot of ?'s about the Wamu deal.
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#639007 - 11/30/10 11:32 AM
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I had forgotten about that.
Have to go back into my archives and see if I can dig anything up. Remember reading on it at one time. Shot-gun marriage demanded by the Fed and Hank Paulson if I'm not mistaken.
Their actions in that deal, the silver futures market, forclosuregate,...
Take your pick.
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#639182 - 11/30/10 07:03 PM
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Assange said today:
"Asked what his "moral calculus" was to justify publishing the leaks and whether he considered what he was doing to be "civil disobedience," Assange said, "Not at all. This organization practices civil obedience, that is, we are an organization that tries to make the world more civil and act against abusive organizations that are pushing it in the opposite direction."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2033771,00.html#ixzz16oVbXcor"
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#639273 - 11/30/10 10:37 PM
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Ha that didn't take long, he might be safer in a swedish jail.
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#639275 - 11/30/10 10:38 PM
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If he doesn't "resist arrest" and get himself shot twice to the temple.
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#639318 - 12/01/10 12:30 AM
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If he doesn't "resist arrest" and get himself shot twice to the temple.
Fish on...
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#639324 - 12/01/10 12:34 AM
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#639372 - 12/01/10 02:36 AM
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I wish I could easily condemn it, but I can't. The bottom line is that I do condemn it, but not easily. I get a kick out of exposing our "Holier than thou" leaders as being what they truly are....childish, self-centered bastards-of-society. On the other hand, some elements of national importance need to be kept in trusted hands (good luck with that, but where are we without it?), and since the second element is earmarked with the first and inseparable......
hang him.
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#639393 - 12/01/10 10:00 AM
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Bill Clinton, not someone who I see eye to eye with on many subjects (except for pleasingly plump women), believes these leaks will cost human lives.
I get the titilation factor, knocking folks off of their high horses and all.
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#639458 - 12/01/10 01:56 PM
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This banking thing could be worse than the state dept leaks if it involved other countrys investments. In China CEO's of corrupt companys get to redeem themselves by becoming organ donors.
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#639460 - 12/01/10 01:57 PM
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Wow sure sucks when somebody reads through your private papers without probable cause. Good thing the government never listens to cell phone calls, never looks at what websites you go to, never reads your email and never checks to see what books you check out of the library without probable cause or a warrant.
Gentlemen do not read other gentlemen's mail. So if our government behaves like a gentleman, this guy is scum. However if out government is doing corrupt and immoral things then there is probable cause to look into what they are doing and this guy is a hero. Although it may not have been officially sanctioned, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I'm sure that the government is all sunshine flowers and candy, there is no reason for any oversight of them at all.
Funny thing is that this guy will probably be locked up before he drops the banking bombshell. Since we already know that banks were lying in court to fraudulently steal people's houses and we know that the banks recklessly destroyed our economy, I wonder what that banking megaleak is all about. I bet we won't see it. The government knew in advance he was going to leak these diplomatic documents and did nothing. After all risking the lives of a few plebs in our military is not really a concern to the government at all, mess with the big bankers who own this country, well that's unforgivable.
It's often hard to see where our government starts and where the military-industrial-banking mafia stops. Excellent Post!!
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/01/10 01:58 PM)
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#639523 - 12/01/10 05:47 PM
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He should have his assHangeD
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#639537 - 12/01/10 06:15 PM
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#639575 - 12/01/10 08:46 PM
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Goldman Sachs probably put out a strong buy recommedation and then turned around and shorted BoA.
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#639715 - 12/02/10 11:47 AM
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Goldman Sachs probably put out a strong buy recommedation and then turned around and shorted BoA. You guys are almost spot on. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/goldman-reveals-first-5-its-top-trades-2011Pay particular attention to Item #2. "2. Long US large-cap Commercial Banks (BKX), at 44.76, target of 57, expected potential return +25%
The improvement in the US economic outlook in 2011 and 2012 is one of the most important shifts in our global macro view. The combination of incrementally more growth acceleration, with still accommodative policy is a very friendly one for equities, underscored by the US Portfolio Strategy team’s 1,450 target for the SPX in 12 months’ time. Not only are top line GDP growth expectations more robust, but a faster-than-previously-expected repair of the US consumer balance sheet has also led to a more robust view of real consumer spending growth and domestic demand more broadly. We believe being long US banks via the BKX index (there is also an ETF, the KBE, for those so inclined) is an attractive way to gain exposure to a more constructive domestic US story.
After performing in line with the overall US equity market index for much of the past two years, the BKX has significantly lagged through most of the ‘QE2’ rally. On price action alone, the BKX stands apart from other potential implementations of our stronger US domestic demand view, such as consumer discretionary stocks, which outperformed the overall market in 2010. Our 57 target for the BKX suggests about 25% upside and would only bring the banks back to the levels of April earlier this year. Of course, the price action reflects in part sector-specific headwinds that cropped up repeatedly in 2010. But, apart from pricing at a significant discount, the macro backdrop looks increasingly favourable. First, a more robust real GDP growth profile and, critically, stronger consumer spending ought to help spur loan growth—year-on-year loan growth should turn positive early next year and grow steadily through 2012—as Richard Ramsden and the US banks team have recently highlighted. And the large cap banking sector is particularly geared towards consumer activity, with relatively less exposure to construction and commercial real estate activity. Second, the decline in the unemployment rate should lead to further declines in credit losses. And, third, although the front end of the yield curve will likely remain anchored for some time, we expect 10-year yields to gradually drift higher, with a steeper yield curve also benefiting these stocks.
The possibility of additional ‘headline risk’ is a clear challenge for this sector even if the macro outlook turns out to be correct. But many of these concerns are likely already priced-in to a degree and the sector does not seemto be ‘over-owned’ here. We believe it is reasonable to question if banks can generate the return on equity that they did in the recent past and if multiples can revert towards historical levels given the new regulatory backdrop. But we think a more robust US economic outlook should still provide support for earnings and book growth, even if the market pays a bit ‘less’ for these shifts than it has in the recent past."Look as if they believe the "headline risk" is already baked in the cake. Whatever is on the horizon be sure they have advance knowledge. They may not have come out directly in favor of BofA but a buy recommedation on the BKX might as well be the same thing although in a more diversified way. Probably just covering their ass or pumping in a manner that leaves them cupable deniability when the SHTF.
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#639872 - 12/02/10 09:51 PM
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#640038 - 12/03/10 11:31 AM
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#640046 - 12/03/10 11:51 AM
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The geenie is out of the bottle.
All that nonsense won't stop the flow of the information that's already been leaked. If people want to know than the info will find them.
Thought provoking statement I heard yesterday. With all these people calling for Assange's head on a pike, what do these same people say about the media companies who publish the cables that are sent to them by Wikileaks?
Funny thing about secrets. They usually don't stay that way for long.
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#640048 - 12/03/10 12:02 PM
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No but I don't think any of this is going to change human nature, if anything security will just become tighter and the average citizen will just be further out of the loop.
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#640074 - 12/03/10 01:19 PM
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1. Someone with access leaks the stuff to Assange. 2. Assange publishes some of it on WikiLeak. 3. Journalists re-publish it. 4. We read it, or see it on the news, and then re-publish it here...again.
Where in that list do the players go from being treasonous horrible people that need to be executed to the innocent self-righteous pricks that get to call for the executions?
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#640086 - 12/03/10 02:46 PM
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#640090 - 12/03/10 03:21 PM
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So what some here are saying is leaking sensitive government documents is treasonous, and should warrant the death penalty. What would the appropriate punishment be for blowing the cover of a CIA operative?
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#640095 - 12/03/10 03:51 PM
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It isn't treason since he is isn't a US citizen....just doesn't meet the definition.
It could be espionage or terrorism but it ain't treason.
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#640097 - 12/03/10 03:58 PM
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Was the CIA leak a part of this discussion? Maybe you should start a different thread... No hijack Hank, just wanted to know what was a capital offense and what wasn't. Or do you have a problem killing your own?
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#640098 - 12/03/10 03:58 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Was the CIA leak a part of this discussion? It is now.
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#640104 - 12/03/10 04:16 PM
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You can't commit treason against a country that you aren't a citizen of...in spite of what Palin and McCain like to say...it's a pretty basic part of criminal procedure, but grasping the basics isn't always either of their strong suits.
The CIA leak is treason...by any and all easily understood definitions...but strangely enough...not...those calling this treason and calling for his head were and continue to be perfectly willing to allow it to slide when it was Cheney and Libby doing it for purely political reasons.
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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#640105 - 12/03/10 04:17 PM
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They want Assange's head because he published embarrassing stuff about them...so they either should not do embarrassing stuff, or keep tigher security on it when they do.
In the end, it's their fault for either doing the embarrassing things or failing to keep a lid on it.
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#640106 - 12/03/10 04:17 PM
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Wow. Cheany was guilty of treason?
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#640124 - 12/03/10 05:04 PM
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#640128 - 12/03/10 05:18 PM
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Holding CEO's accountable? Stop....you're killing me.
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#640151 - 12/03/10 07:05 PM
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Dude, where's my boat?
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Lookin at that recent pic of ole Dick I think the next time you will hear about him is at his eulogy...Sparky has a special place for Mr Cheney.
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#640153 - 12/03/10 07:10 PM
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Was the CIA leak a part of this discussion? Maybe you should start a different thread... How about if a government agency say like the CIA set up a cocaine operation and smuggled tons of cocaine into the US. Should those that authorized this operation be executed?
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#640179 - 12/03/10 09:29 PM
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It has been argued that this is the exact reason gays haven't been allowed to serve.
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#640189 - 12/03/10 09:44 PM
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It has been argued that this is the exact reason gays haven't been allowed to serve. And your a good example of why some animals eat their young.
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#640195 - 12/03/10 09:56 PM
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It has been argued that this is the exact reason gays haven't been allowed to serve. And your a good example of why some animals eat their young. Solid work, that. I getcha, Hank...I agree that if the soldier did indeed illegally transfer the documents to Assange, then he's likely committed a serious crime or three. Fish on... Todd
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#640198 - 12/03/10 09:59 PM
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Freespool, is that the best you've got, you irrelevant old fool?
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#640224 - 12/03/10 11:05 PM
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Another whitty cut from a goat fukker...... Way to show me up kk
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#640256 - 12/04/10 01:07 AM
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I have no issue with the sexuality of any person who is in our military. If they decide to volunteer to serve our country, I'll buy that man or woman a beer any time, any where. So many pieces of crap don't serve, yet they object to those who would serve. Talk about ass hattery!
I still say we need to prosecute this Army intelligence puke to the fullest extent of the law. Don't care about his intentions. Nail him. If Wikileaks furthers his cause, accessory.
The Russians do it right. A surprise bullet to the head.
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#640267 - 12/04/10 02:09 AM
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So what some here are saying is leaking sensitive government documents is treasonous, and should warrant the death penalty. What would the appropriate punishment be for blowing the cover of a CIA operative? Excellent question Spool.
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#640310 - 12/04/10 11:50 AM
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#640363 - 12/04/10 04:10 PM
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So what some here are saying is leaking sensitive government documents is treasonous, and should warrant the death penalty. What would the appropriate punishment be for blowing the cover of a CIA operative? Excellent question Spool. You should ask that of the agents who initially outed Plame in the '90s with documents that were mistakenly allowed to be read by Cuba. After that happened her value as a covert agent was compromised and all of her later work for the CIA was in-house. Look it up...I did.... So then your take on it is that it's all good, what Chaney and Libby did. Sounds like you are saying that Plame deserved it, according to your research. Outing a CIA agent that has gone from covert to in-house still compromises her security and her life. Hank you are not making any sense, with your constant perfuming and lipsticking the pig strategy. You may see it as kissable and palatable, but most wont. That's just my take on it.
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#640636 - 12/05/10 01:07 PM
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From Thomas Jefferson:
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." +1000,000,000,000,0oo,oo.......
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#640827 - 12/05/10 11:33 PM
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Interesting article on Ron Paul's opinion on this matter.
“In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble." Ron Paul + 1
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/05/10 11:34 PM)
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#640915 - 12/06/10 12:12 PM
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So just who would you folks assign the responsibility to divulge all of this information? A private, captain, colonel, general?
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#644318 - 12/14/10 01:48 PM
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Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths; lying us into war, or WikiLeaks’ revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers?
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#644953 - 12/16/10 12:23 PM
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Sorry joined this a bit late and just caught the tail end of it. About the gays in the military, funny thing about that. A former Marine joined the National Guard and deployed with us in 06-07. The unit get backs and go everyone goes their separate ways. It turns out this guy got a gender change while still serving in the National Guard. This act of demanification was APPROVED by good 'ol Gregoire as he had to submit a request to do so. So if gays want to be in the military they just need to get a sex change and it will all be hunky dory.
Also I believe more things are classified now due to the different tactics that are being employed to combat and prevent terrorism. If a lot of that information got out we could lose some seriously GREAT AMERICANS that are deep in "Indian Country". As for the childish , oh we don't trust Iran or Syria or whomever BS, that shouldn't be classified as it has no affect on our National Security.
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#644970 - 12/16/10 01:26 PM
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So are you saying gay people can't be trusted with national security information? All I can say is J Edgar Hoover, biggest flamer on the planet in his time.
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#644974 - 12/16/10 01:31 PM
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Oh no, the first portion was geared towards gays in the Military and the second was in response to the leaks. Just my opinion is all
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#644996 - 12/16/10 02:39 PM
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/16/10 02:41 PM)
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#645004 - 12/16/10 03:03 PM
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Most journalists would rather suck up to their "sources" in the gubmint, rather than do any actual investigative journalism...orchestrated "leaks" to lapdog reporters has pretty much replaced the media as a watchdog and reporting group.
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#645016 - 12/16/10 03:31 PM
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir.
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#645049 - 12/16/10 06:59 PM
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir. yeah, Arianna has a way with words..
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir. yeah, Arianna has a way with words.. I shoulda known better 
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#645228 - 12/17/10 01:26 AM
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When it comes to WikiLeaks, much of media has planted its flag on the wrong side of the secrecy battle -- and so much of the reporting about WikiLeaks has served to obscure and mislead. One method they're using is to conflate the secrecy that governments use to operate and the secrecy that is used to hide the truth and allow governments to mislead us. Nobody, including WikiLeaks, is promoting the idea that government should exist in total transparency. But the government's legitimate need for secrecy is very different from the government's desire to get away with hiding the truth. And conflating the two is dangerously unhealthy for a democracy. That's why it's especially important to look at what WikiLeaks is actually doing, as distinct from what its critics claim it's doing. The establishment media may be part of the media, but they're also part of the establishment. And they're circling the wagons. Click link to read more. Exposing War Crimes Is No Crime Well said sir. yeah, Arianna has a way with words.. I shoulda known better  Click Link To Read More 
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#645234 - 12/17/10 01:48 AM
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Diplomats should have a right to expect their conversations are held in the strictest confidence. The result of those conversations leaking will be even less transparency and methods used to prevent any further leaks. Enjoy these while you have them because you're not likely to see or hear more. Why? They need to operate in strict confidence because the U.S. government doesn't want to public to know just how many billions of dollars or fighter jets we're giving to Israel? Secret negotiations don't do anything. Obviously they didn't do anything to stop the attacks on 9/11. In a perfect world, diplomats would be required to provide meeting minutes to the public on what was said after every meeting. Or you can just continue on living in ignorance like the rest of this country and not worry about it.
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#645247 - 12/17/10 04:28 AM
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Diplomats should have a right to expect their conversations are held in the strictest confidence. The result of those conversations leaking will be even less transparency and methods used to prevent any further leaks. Enjoy these while you have them because you're not likely to see or hear more. Why? They need to operate in strict confidence because the U.S. government doesn't want to public to know just how many billions of dollars or fighter jets we're giving to Israel? Secret negotiations don't do anything. Obviously they didn't do anything to stop the attacks on 9/11. In a perfect world, diplomats would be required to provide meeting minutes to the public on what was said after every meeting. Or you can just continue on living in ignorance like the rest of this country and not worry about it. +10 trillion...............$
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#645269 - 12/17/10 10:39 AM
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.....the party’s focus will be on freedom of speech and transparency Click here: full story
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#646120 - 12/19/10 09:22 PM
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Do you have any of your own thoughts or are you only able to cut and paste?
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Saying to myself; "don't feed the Troll." Stay on topic and don't feed Troll. There!!!! Now he will starve or go away and eat his spawn. 
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#646673 - 12/21/10 11:55 AM
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[quote=Hankster]
In a perfect world, diplomats would be required to provide meeting minutes to the public on what was said after every meeting.
Or you can just continue on living in ignorance like the rest of this country and not worry about it. Solving the mystery of the universe would be a simple task in comparison to discovering how someone as addlebrained as yourself can continue to function. Good comeback, douche!
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#647147 - 12/22/10 11:01 PM
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The end to WikiLeaks and any other type of leaked documents is fast approaching. The U.S. intelligence community has an official response to those leaks. The CIA has launched the WikiLeaks Task Force. That's right...the WTF Squad is on the case. Does that mean Iraq is again the Axis of Evil. So Saddam Hussein was behind the leaks after all? Or will they be bombing Venezuela?
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#647153 - 12/22/10 11:09 PM
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Really, you blame the Jews? You really think Israel is trying to take out the Internet? Dude, you are bat sh!t crazy!
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Never feed Trolls. Watching one chew on his own appendages to feed is so sad and pathetic. Boys and Girls pay close attention as to how I handle this.. the granddaddy of all Trolls. The first thing you will noticed is it's nasty smell. The odor is the first telling sign that one is near and approaching. Man this thing really stinks. whwuuu!  This important observation and detection will allow you to grab the women and children and place them in a safe area. After doing that, remove any consumables from the area. Follow this protocol and it's not long before it has moved on, and is no longer a threat. You may get lucky and get to watch as he eats himself up, from the inside out. 
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