Check

 

Defiance Boats!

LURECHARGE!

THE PP OUTDOOR FORUMS

Kast Gear!

Power Pro Shimano Reels G Loomis Rods

  Willie boats! Puffballs!

 

Three Rivers Marine

 

 
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#647334 - 12/23/10 03:27 PM UN investigating Obama regime for torture
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
http://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/view/un_investigating_bradley_manning_torture_claims

Obama torturing gays?

Bradley Manning, the 23-year-old Army intelligence officer who allegedly leaked diplomatic cables and evidence of war crimes to the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, hasn't been convicted of a crime – and if he did what he stands accused of, he would in a more just be properly considered a hero.

But for more than six months, Manning has lived in strict solitary confinement in a military prison, barred from even exercising or reading a newspaper, torturous conditions those who have visited him say are rapidly deteriorating his mental and physical health.

Activists are encouraging Manning's supporters to contact officials at the Marine base in Quantico, Virginia, where he's currently being held in isolation 23 hours a day, to demand he be treated humanely. Supporters have also raised more than $117,000 for his legal defense fund, which should come in handy if the government ever gets around to giving him a trial.

And now the United Nations is looking into whether he's being tortured, with UN Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak opening an investigation this week in response to a complaint from one of Manning's supporters; Lt. Col. Davidi Coombs, Manning's military lawyer, recently described the conditions his client is being held in on his blog, a somewhat unusual step for an attorney required by the gravity of the situation and the need to pressure those responsible to immediately stop the mistreatment.

Speaking yesterday with MSNBC's Cenk Uygur, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said he didn't know whether Manning was the one who leaked the 250,000 State Department cables or the "Collateral Murder" video of U.S. troops gunning down Iraqi civilians -- but that if he was, “then this man acted for political reasons. He is a political prisoner in the United States. He has not gone to trial. He's been a political prisoner without trial in the United States for some six or seven months. That's serious business.”

No one's alleging Manning is being subjected to electrodes on his genitals or needles under his nails. But solitary confinement for months at a time is no less torture, which is why even authoritarian states like Tunisia have pledged not to use it for more than 10 days.

Since he was first put in solitary, “it has become obvious to me that Manning’s physical and mental well-being are deteriorating,” writes supporter David House, one of the few people allowed to visit Manning, in a piece for Firedoglake. Among other conditions, Manning is not allowed bedsheets or a pillow, is barred from receiving any news about current events, and is prohibited from possessing any personal items. Though he has been psychologically evaluated and ruled not a suicide the threat, the military is justifying the conditions based on a “Prevention of Injury” order, prompting speculation it's an attempt to push Manning into confessing (or helping in the prosecution of others).

“When told of the Pentagon’s statement that he did indeed receive exercise,” writes House, “Manning’s reply was that he is able to exercise insofar as walking in chains is a form of exercise.” He laughed when told a military spokesman said he was allowed to read newspapers.

The impact of long-term solitary confinement on an inmate – a disgracefully all too common punishment in the U.S., employed at prisons in more than 40 states – can be psychologically devastating. Take the case of Jose Padilla, the U.S. citizen the Bush administration labeled an “enemy combatant,” who spent 3 ½ years on a military brig in strict isolation. He left a broken man. “Whatever happened to him has radically changed him,” said one psychiatrist who examined him afterwards. Family members can no longer bear to visit him, not even recognizing the Jose Padilla of the days before he was mentally destroyed by the system. "He is not the same man who was taken into custody in 2002.”

Manning's supporters don't want the same thing to happen to him, but they'll need to apply more of the sort of public pressure that forced the Pentagon into issuing a whole host of defensive denials that Manning is being mistreated. The group Courage to Resist, which supports soldiers who refuse to be a part of illegal wars and occupations -- that is, those who uphold their military oath to protect and defend the Constitution -- is encouraging people to demand an immediate end to Manning's solitary confinement by writing the following officials:

Quantico Base Commander
Colonel Daniel Choike
3250 Catlin Avenue, Quantico VA 22134
(703) 784-2707 (phone)

Quantico Brig Commanding Officer
CWO4 James Averhart
3247 Elrod Avenue, Quantico VA 22134
(703) 784-4242 (fax)

You can also write Manning himself (postcards are recommended), care of Courage to Resist, at 484 Lake Park Ave #41, Oakland, CA 94610. And if you haven't already, go on record with your support by joining Code Pink in demanding humane treatment for Bradley Manning.


Edited by bait dunker (12/23/10 03:29 PM)
_________________________
Say no to drugs

Top
#647346 - 12/23/10 03:47 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
Oregonian Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 1765
Maybe he would be better off "shot while trying to escape"...

Top
#647348 - 12/23/10 03:52 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
stlhead Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6732
"a disgracefully all too common punishment in the U.S."

"You can also write Manning himself (postcards are recommended)"

You should send him a picture of yourself or would that be over the top on the torture scale?
_________________________
"You learn more from losing than you do from winning." Lou Pinella

Top
#647350 - 12/23/10 03:56 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I think the most funny part of this thread is that the title of the article is "UN Investigating Bradley Manning Torture Claims", yet Bait Humper decided to title his thread "UN investigating Obama regime for torture"...and I am also willing to bet that Bait Humper has never, ever, agreed with anything that has appeared in that left wing rag before...ever.

Fish on...

Todd
_________________________


Team Flying Super Ditch Pickle


Top
#647359 - 12/23/10 04:30 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Todd]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
bait dunker is a complete f'n donkey.
_________________________
She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

Bon Scott - Shot Down in Flames

Top
#647361 - 12/23/10 04:38 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Dan S.]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
bait dunker is a complete f'n donkey.



I've met a couple of actual donkeys, and I think they'd be offended by your comparison wink

Fish on...

Todd
_________________________


Team Flying Super Ditch Pickle


Top
#647366 - 12/23/10 04:50 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Todd]
Dogfish Offline
Poodle Smolt

Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
Funny one there Todd.
_________________________
"Give me the anger, fish! Give me the anger!"

They call me POODLE SMOLT!

The Discover Pass is brought to you by your friends at the CCA.

Top
#647370 - 12/23/10 05:04 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Dan S.]
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
Since the president is ultimately responsible for all government agencies, I think my title is appropriate. That said, I don't believe this story one bit, but thought I'd give it the "Bush's fault" treatment.

Dan, keep your donkey fukking to yourself
_________________________
Say no to drugs

Top
#647390 - 12/23/10 07:00 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
KK, get back on your meds
_________________________
Say no to drugs

Top
#647402 - 12/23/10 07:58 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
Marsha, you must not have read above where I wrote that I didn't believe the story at all. I hope he's locked in the deepest, darkest hole on earth, if not executed.
_________________________
Say no to drugs

Top
#647449 - 12/23/10 10:08 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
I just posted the article, take from it what you will. I do not believe PFC Manning is being tortured, and even if he is, I'm not sure I'd object. The far left and far right love the guy, so Im sure somebody here will be interested in the article.
_________________________
Say no to drugs

Top
#647451 - 12/23/10 10:14 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: bait dunker]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
The point is wrapped up in the thread of the title...the article itself is irrelevant...just wanted to say "Obama regime" and "investigated" in the same sentence...throw in "torture" to put a little meat on the bones.

The rest is just fluff.

Fish on...

Todd
_________________________


Team Flying Super Ditch Pickle


Top
#647455 - 12/23/10 10:18 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Todd]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
bd just threw it up there to maintain his solid lead in the contest.
_________________________
She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

Bon Scott - Shot Down in Flames

Top
#647459 - 12/23/10 10:38 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Dan S.]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
bd just threw it up there to maintain his solid lead in the contest.


I think he can coast to the finish line now...won't ever even have to step on the gas again.

Fish on...

Todd
_________________________


Team Flying Super Ditch Pickle


Top
#647463 - 12/23/10 11:01 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
Iwant2fish Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 272
Loc: Whatcom County
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Like it or not, he's being held in solitary for his own safety.



I call BS on that.

Top
#647612 - 12/24/10 01:57 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
Iwant2fish Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 272
Loc: Whatcom County
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Originally Posted By: Iwant2fish
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Like it or not, he's being held in solitary for his own safety.



I call BS on that.


Call it anything you want. That's how it works when you're crime makes you lots of enemies in the prison facility you're housed in.



There is a difference between protective custody and solitary confinement. His treatment is that of solitary confinement not protective custody.


Edited by Iwant2fish (12/24/10 01:57 PM)

Top
#647672 - 12/24/10 04:26 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Iwant2fish]
Oregonian Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 1765
When "M" says "like it or not", that means her ears are closed...even though her mouth is still flapping.

Top
#647680 - 12/24/10 04:45 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: ]
RowVsWade Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 3359
Loc: Island Time
He should be executed.

Merry Christmas.
_________________________
"...the pool hall I loved as a kid is now a 7-11..."

If you don't like our prices bring your wife down and we'll dicker.

Top
#647735 - 12/24/10 07:09 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: RowVsWade]
Salmo g. Online   content
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13468
RVW,

Let's see, he should be executed although he has yet to be tried, let alone convicted of any crime. Nice to see you supporting the laws and Constitution of the U.S., not.

Sg

Top
#647739 - 12/24/10 07:22 PM Re: UN investigating Obama regime for torture [Re: Salmo g.]
Dave Vedder Offline
Reverend Tarpones

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
Wow, what a heartwarming Christmas thread. Peace on earth and fug em all. (;-).
_________________________
No huevos no pollo.

Top

Search

Site Links
Home
Our Washington Fishing
Our Alaska Fishing
Reports
Rates
Contact Us
About Us
Recipes
Photos / Videos
Visit us on Facebook
Today's Birthdays
robert jamison
Recent Gallery Pix
hatchery steelhead
Hatchery Releases into the Pacific and Harvest
Who's Online
3 registered (Salmo g., Streamer, Mr.Twister), 1193 Guests and 0 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
NoyesMaker, John Boob, Lawrence, I'm Still RichG, feyt
11499 Registered Users
Top Posters
Todd 27838
Dan S. 16958
Sol Duc 15727
The Moderator 13942
Salmo g. 13468
eyeFISH 12616
STRIKE ZONE 11969
Dogfish 10878
ParaLeaks 10363
Jerry Garcia 9013
Forum Stats
11499 Members
17 Forums
72924 Topics
824905 Posts

Max Online: 3937 @ 07/19/24 03:28 AM

Join the PP forums.

It's quick, easy, and always free!

Working for the fish and our future fishing opportunities:

The Wild Steelhead Coalition

The Photo & Video Gallery. Nearly 1200 images from our fishing trips! Tips, techniques, live weight calculator & more in the Fishing Resource Center. The time is now to get prime dates for 2018 Olympic Peninsula Winter Steelhead , don't miss out!.

| HOME | ALASKA FISHING | WASHINGTON FISHING | RIVER REPORTS | FORUMS | FISHING RESOURCE CENTER | CHARTER RATES | CONTACT US | WHAT ABOUT BOB? | PHOTO & VIDEO GALLERY | LEARN ABOUT THE FISH | RECIPES | SITE HELP & FAQ |