What does this really mean?

"Everybody should have a fair chance and everybody should do their fair share"

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

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Todd

Doesn't sound all that confusing..........which words are hanging you up?

I took the liberty of translating that Obama quote by running it through the software over at rightwingdimwit.org and here's what it said:

Rich, white, gun-totin', God-fearin', conservative real Americans should continue to be the only ones who work hard in this country, and we should take all of their hard-earned money and give it to all of the brown-skinned slackers.

Who knew?

How do you ensure that everyone gets a fair chance?

How do you determine what a persons fair share is?

I typed out the FauxNews Translator version, but erased it as being too mean for the Christmas season...decided to stick with my first post, which is it is what it says.

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Todd

Let's hear your ideas.

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Todd

I'm not sure what it means to the liberal mind.

Fixed your typos Hank.

Merry Christmas!

Hank and Jerry are strolling down Lamer Street hand in hand...nothing original at all, from either of you?

Color me surprised!

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Todd

It means the educational system should have a syllabus that caters to the dimmest bulbs in the class so that they get their chance, a fair chance as defined be the O man.
Fair share means you can earn your income and share it with the
non-workers in a ratio defined by the O guy. Give your fair share to
the drones. Welfare, foodstamps etc.

Merry Obama day,,. I mean Christmas.

It already does Ill... courtesy of your boy George W. Bush.. It's called "No child left behind" in case ya didn't know.



I don't know how much you actually know about the powers of the Executive Branch... so I'll clue ya in a little bit there as well. The president doesn't define the amount of your money that goes to Welfare or food stamps. It's part of a negotiated Congressional budget... just like Defense spending.

I hate to say it Ill... but the more you post, the more you prove that you really don't know ANYTHING about the true function of government.

All you know is what Charles, Ann and Ollie tell you... and that you hate Obama.

Merry Christmas.

Uhhh...what exactly have I been whining about?

(Making fun of the lamest cast of characters to ever grace a stage together, the Republican field, making fun of Boehner, making fun of McConnell, making fun of Illyrian, you, and Jerry Garcia don't count...as I'm not whining at all...just pointing and laughing).

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Todd

I'm still unclear what that means to the liberal mind.

I think this might be what he meant ...

"I won't allow the half of americans who pay no taxes bare the burden of the other half who are not paying their fare share."
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Damn..........GutZ for president!

I thought I might get an answer from those that understand Obama-speak.
Maybe Aunty is right-- it's just more hope and change.

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MerrY Christmas Y'all.

They're all pretty simple words...the only one with more than a single syllable is "everyone"...as long as we're not asking Bachmann or Perry, I'd think even most right wingers could suss it out.

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Todd

So simple that I can't get a translation from the libs.

Do you really need one?

It's like asking for the translation of the flashing green sign that says "Walk" on the corner.

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Todd

Yah Todd, I would like to hear what it means to you and why.

I'll make you a deal, Richard, since you're the one who needs to hear it from someone else...you tell me what your right wing mind tells you it means, and I'll tell you what my progressive mind thinks it means after you're done.

Deal?

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Todd

Short version

fair chance--- people will no longer have to use education and hard work to progress up through the "classes".


fair share--- Those that have rose to the top "classes" through hard work, education and sacrifice will have to work harder to support those that pay no income tax.

I truely believe that if everyone has some skin in the game better decisions will be made on the spending of our money.

Yeah, like you clowns could ever afford to pay for anything I have or will every have!

Merry Christmas

Fishy

You really, really, really, really, really...

...REALLY...

...need to stop listening to the right wing fools here or on FauxNews if that's what you really think.

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Todd

Jerry - ask yourself this one simple question:

Who REALLY benefits when the 'lower classes' in this country mistrust and blame each other for everything?

Your turn.

owned

Todd?

Hold your horses there, big guy!

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Todd

So, here's the quote from the President:



Pretty simple and straightforward...

Here's your interpretation:



...taken directly from right wing talking points that make everything into a conspiracy to take things from successful people and give them to lazy poor slobs, especially black and brown people, the most lazy of all.

It's also more fullofshit than Charles Krauthammer, and he's a ten pound sack with fifteen pounds ofshit stuffed in it.

Here we go...

"Everybody should have a fair chance and everybody should do their fair share"

I'll divide it into two parts.

"Everybody should have a fair chance"

This ain't so hard. Everybody in the country, no matter where you live, what color you are, what your current/past/future pay scale is, what your sexual orientation is, what your religion (or lack thereof) is, how long you or your family has been here, whether you are disabled in any way (or not), whatever...whatever you can think of, if you are an American, then you have the same fair chance as anyone else, no matter where they fall in any of those categories, to do whatever you want, to make of your opportunities as best you can, and the only thing in your way is your skills, ambition, and the extent of your imagination.

That ain't so hard, is it? Sounds kinda like the "American Dream"...something that never really existed in its purest form, and sure as hell doesn't now...and it never really will in an actual pure form, but we can sure as hell get as close to it as possible.

Part two...

"...everybody should do their fair share."

Again, really simple words, and pretty damn straightforward.

Right wingers always read "fair share" as "my share"...which, of course, is a lie, and they know it...but like most right wing and especially right wing religious nuts, they always start out by casting themselves as a victim...

"Everybody" includes...everyone. Everyone who is an American. Everyone who avails themselves to the tremendous opportunities and obligations that being an American includes.

If you want to be part of the best country in the world, then you get both...opportunities and obligations.

"Opportunities" is the "fair chance" in the first half.

"Obligations" is the "fair share" in the second half.

Your first obligation is to defend the "fair chance" of everyone, including yourself...if you don't defend it for others, then don't be a fuckin crybaby when no one else defends it for you when you think your "fair chance" is on the chopping block.

That's where the "I've got mine, so fukk you" crowd needs to STFU...you got your chance, now make sure others get theirs, too.

That's an obligation you owe not to those ubiquitious "others"...it's an obligation you owe to your country. Yeah, you don't get an hourly wage for it, so it's a big ol' onerous deal that amounts to class warfare and redistribution of wealth and it's anti-Christian and socialist and only a Nigerian Muslim would come up with it and you're so screwed and now you have to pay taxes which sucks because you're a "job creator" even though you've done nothing but reduce the "jobs" out there time and time again and pocket the savings and Obama hates white people and success is punished...(this is where you add in all the other right talking points that were fullofshit the day they were first uttered, and are even more fullofshit the more they get repeated by those jackasses).

I don't even need to get into "fair taxation"...or "a rising tide floats all boats" or any of that...

You as an American have a DUTY to make sure that others have the same "fair chance" that you did.

Why? Because unless you were born rich, someone else was making sure you had that fair chance to get that way, too...and they have been since the beginning of this country.

The difference between right wing rhetoric and the real world is that right wingers don't think they have a duty to do anything, except look out for themselves, and either lie and say they've done all they've done and got all they've got ONLY through their own hard work (and know they are lying), or they don't lie, and actually believe it (which means they are stupid...at least the liars aren't stupid, just jackasses).

Being an American is all about duties and obligations, to my mind...you are afforded some of the best things ever, in the world, by the happy occurrence of being born an American, or by seeing that is the best country in the world and becoming an American (and those immigrants have worked a helluva lot more than you have to be Americans...all you had to do was get squeezed out and start filling diapers).

You have a duty to make use of the opportunities you have...if you don't, then don't whine about your lot in life.

You have a duty to make sure those opportunities are there for everyone.

Period.

The opportunities don't exist so that those who already got theirs can get more...they exist so those who want to make use of them to improve their lives can...and as soon as they do, they have a duty to make sure others can, too.

The two biggest lies in America, the things that threaten the "American Way" the most are...

1. No one gave me anything...I did it all myself...and...
2. They're just looking for a handout.

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Todd

Wow Todd.

The opportunities don't exist so that those who already got theirs can get more...they exist so those who want to make use of them to improve their lives can...and as soon as they do, they have a duty to make sure others can, too.

So when do I know my life has been improved to the point where I can help others improve there lives? Should I keep the $2,000 plus I donate to various causes and groups each year so I can improve my life with a trip to Craig?

You can take your "right wing retoric" and shove it, I think for myself and don't get any emails or listen to the radio. I took it that Obama is saying that fair chance and fair share doesn't exist now so some change has to be made.

KK, teaching Civics to a RWWJ is like teaching a snagger to swing dries for winter runs...the likelihood of success is not very good.

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Todd

Actually... I think Hank is right.

Obama asked for 1.2 trillion in additional domestic spending... but he's secretly gonna be givin' it to the mooslims!

Not much slips by ol' Hankster... that's fer sure!

Instead of waiting several days and writing up a long response, why didn't you just say...



...and then I would have said...

You are right, that is what he was saying...and he's right.

...and we could have saved this entire conversation.

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Todd

Oh, and when I write about the American Way and the American Dream and a right wing nutjob tells me to "shove it", then it makes me pretty sure that I was, and will continue to be, correct.

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Todd

lol

Golly Odd, one might think you had legal training. I mean you took so many words
to say what might be said in a coupla sentences. lol
First the lawyers.

This...



...means...



...and it all means this:



For real? You really, really think this?

It must be painful to go through life hating America so much, having been born here and all, and being so cynical about what the American Dream means to Americans, and to be so angry all the time about it.

Even if you somehow come up with this drivel all on your own, it's the same drivel that you see coming out of Hannity's mouth when that vein is popping out on his head while he's yelling and screaming and turning red, and the same whining you hear from Krauthammer about how the country is becoming Socialist because we're not greedy enough anymore, or what causes Limbaugh to pop black market pharmaceuticals because he just can't get through a day without being drugged out anymore.

All the while...those who still think that American ideals are...idealistic...and worth pursuing, even while all the right wing talking heads (and apparently independently thinking right wing whack jobs) are all yelling and screaming the exact same things, all the time, about how that America doesn't exist anymore.

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Todd

P.S. Jerry, if that's your 'short version', you might need to trot out your 'long version' to explain how you independently came up with this crap, and how you find that "fair chance and fair share" mean exactly 100% the opposite of what anyone who can read would think.

And...we all have "skin in the game".

The problem is that right wingers think "the game" means "money", and that's all America is about.

"The Game" is about being an American.

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Todd

Time to pinch yourself again Todd. You need a parrot to talk to. Teach him to say "YES Todd" "Right On Bro" then talk to the bird like you talk down to people here...Maybe have the bird sit on your left shoulder??

I'll just teach him to sit on my shoulder and whisper "America sucks" in my ear, and then I'll be an angry Republican.

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Todd

No no...teach the parrot to just squawk all day....blah blah blah blah...that'll save you lots of internet time...get out there and do your share.

Perhaps he was reffering to this -

The Democratic Party base is well into their 'support' of this proposed Legislation.

The Americans With No Abilities Act
Washington, DC November 2, 2011 - The Obama Administration is urging Congress and the Senate to pass sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans: The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA). President Obama says he will sign it as soon as it hits his desk.

The AWNAA is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," Said California Senator Barbara Boxer. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this Legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing. We are legalizing another protected class of Americans, 'Persons of Inability'."

In a Capitol Hill press conference, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Private-sector industries with good records of nondiscrimination against "Persons of Inability" include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement 'warehouse' stores (65%). At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring "Persons of Inability" (a whopping 83%).

Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million 'middle man' positions will be created for "Persons of Inability", with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance.

Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most inept employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of "Persons of Inability" into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against "Persons of Inability", banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, 'Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?'

'As a Non-abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,'said Ken Cox, who lost his position as a $70 an hour lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan, due to his inability to remember 'righty tightie, lefty loosey.' 'This new law should be real good for people like me,' Cox added. With the passage of this bill, Cox and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Said Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL): 'As a Senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so.'

How the hell did the right wing jackwagons hijack the flag as "their" symbol, when they clearly hate America?

I happen to think it's the greatest country in the world, and for the reasons I outlined in my above post...got a problem with American exceptionalism? Take it up with your pastor.

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Todd

Never watch hannity or listen to limbaugh, sometimes I catch Krauthammer on O'Reilly. As far as sounding angry, I believe if you reread what I wrote and what you wrote one of us is certainly making statements that sound angry.

I wouldn't describe your statements as "angry". "Very confused" would be fair though.

God the decisions. Don't know whether to decide Odd is more full of chit or KK is more full of chit. Oh well, they are both full of unadulterated chit.

Obama's statement was made within the context of economics.
In that same context, if you think that you don't have a "fair chance" now then you are a whiner. Most likely, even if someone else agreed to offer you a portion of their "share" you'd watch the opportunity go by while you continue to bitch .
Economics, social issues, politics and LIFE are not necessarily fair. If you're willing to learn and work hard you will be rewarded with "chances" that will ultimately increase your "share".

This, I believe is the American Dream and yes, it does still exist. There are those involved in politics (and apparently here in Martin Luther King JR County) that do not believe in this principle.