http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/07/breaking-same-sex-marriage-is-now-legal-in-california/

I'm sure there's plenty of teeth-gnashing and renting of fabrics going on in the hallowed halls of right wing dingbats.

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I can understand that many people don't agree with gay rights for whatever reason. What I don't understand is how so many people can have so much anger and hatred for it that they will expend significant energy and money to fight it. That takes a hella' lot of anger and hate.

The anger and hate is fomented by right wing politicians and their chubby little minions (eg., Karl Rove) so that they can get the dingbats and douchebags to the polls to vote against those darn gay people who are ruining the entire earth with all their wanting equal rights and stuff...and while you're there, please vote for our dingbat and douchebag right wing candidates! Thank you!

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I'll submit this for discussion:

If gays getting married really does threaten the sanctity of your marriage, I'd say your marriage is pretty much totally fukked already.

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If that isn't self-evident, nothing is.

One need only point to many people, right and left, who have devalued the sanctity of straight marriage.

Same goes with abortion... I used to live down the road from a Planned Parenthood and frequently drove by it a few times a week. Almost every day there were a handful of people (sometimes double digit #'s) out front waving pro life/anti abortion posters, and most of them were middle/older aged women past menopause..

I always wondered how abortion was such a big deal to them that they spent countless hours each week holding a sign up in front of a Planned Parenthood.... Like anyone is going to change their stance on the matter cause some crusty old hag is holding a sign expressing their personal opinion on abortions....

Religion (and politics) makes people do some crazy things and fight for some stupid reasons... Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Don't like gay marriage? Then don't get one.... Why people care so much about what other people do just boggles me....

They've been taught to believe that it's murder but mostly they have too much time on their hands. Some of the "Christian" sects are the worst cults in the world and 100% opposed to freedom and democracy yet they don't realize it.

There isn't enough repubs in Cal to pass prop 8 without alot of votes from the "other" side.

Why does that matter? Are right and wrong to be judged on public opinion? Using that criterion slavery was very right in Mississippi in 1850.

The difference is, of course, that no one will ever make anyone get an abortion, so if you don't like abortions...or gay marriages, or contraception, or whatever...don't have one.

Outlaw gay marriage, being gay, having abortions, whatever...they'll find something else they need to hate...it's like breathing for them.

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Which has...exactly nothing to do with this conversation.

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Kinda funny at that, I mean all the brou ha ha and commentary on an issue that is not supposed to be an issue.
Knock organized religion of any stripe. Knock RWWJs and LWWjs and
whomever else might have a negative opinion and it does no good.
Just raises the belligerency level.
Keerist, this is America. Feel free to unionize whomever, and if in
Enumclaw even the horses are game.
Interesting that WE THE PEOPLE in California voted for Prop 8 and
it's unconstitutional per, let me guess, the 9th court of apeals.

Sprained an ankle badly once and was lame for a bit.
I don't fathom the to to do phrase's meaning.
Sorry you took my last post as some kind of insult to those of you
that have to live with some sort of sexual anomaly. I know you
are a screwball KK but I didn't know you were gender confusion
afflicted.
You breathe too much of that peat dust and it hampers what little
brain you got to work with.

"Personally, I think you should be able to kill your own kids. Before they are born, after they are born, what's the difference?"

Had we known I bet we all would have passed the hat to raise a payoff to your parents.

The government shouldn't dictate who can marry, the churches should.

How many mice do you have in your pocket? I'm glad you have their support 'cause thinking on your own isn't one of your strong suits.

I thought the left was supposed to be tolerant of those who have different beliefs. But, if you're against gay marriage, you're a f'n religious zealot. Seems just a bit hypocritical. Very consistent, but hypocritical.

I suspect the "left"(whatever that is) would be tolerant of those who have different beliefs if those people weren't trying to enforce those beliefs on others.

Pretty sure you just made my point. Thanks! 2 sides are fighting over a single word. Gays already have the same protection as hetrosexuals so it really only comes down to a single word. Who's trying to force what?


The government shouldn't be sanctioning marriage. Marriage should be an issue dealt with by the church.

Damn gays are trying to get exactly what everyone else has. How dare they? Jebus Kerist. Next thing ya know they will letting wimin vote.

Do not.

You're right. They can't get a marriage license. Other than that, same bennies. I couldn't care less. Doesn't affect me one bit and if it did I still wouldn't care. Most religions teach thou shalt not judge. Seems we all do in one way or another. Excluding me, of course.

I talked with a judge about two weeks ago when I was best man at a wedding. The judge said there were 170 legal differences between marriage and living together. She also said that most of that 170 differences were at the federal level.

I didn't ask her to name them, and I may have the exact number wrong, but I pass it along as I remember it.

If anyone wants to know the exact number, I can find out......but does it matter?.....The point is, there are differences.

I don't give a sh!t about this issue. I just get tired of conservatives pulling out the "tolerant liberal card" claiming they are hypocritical because they don't agree some idiotic right wing idea.

Keta, there is a difference between disagreeing and intolerance. You can't have diversity without difference and tolerance, so where is the tolerance on the side shouting for tolerance?

BTW, tolerance and acceptance are compatible ...... even without agreement

I know all that , that's all very obvious. Like I said, it's the conservatives that seem to expect the more likely tolerant liberals to be tolerant of everything and if they are not they are called hypocritical. It's a stupid tactic if you honestly analyze it.

No, you're just missing the point. Being tolerant of different beliefs does NOT imply tolerance of people who "believe" they should be able to stomp on others rights and freedoms. You have LOADS of freedom to do what you want TO YOUR SELF and those who CHOOSE TO DO THEM WITH YOU.

The difference is you want to give yourself benefits (like marriage, or the option to be in the military, or the right to build a church wherever you feel like) but you are UNWILLING to grant those rights to everyone else, and you do that under the guise of "it's my beliefs that YOU should not have those freedoms".

That's a giant wheelbarrow full of BS, and calling "libs" the hypocrites is the shovel full on top.

At last some clarity. The issue doesn't matter as long as you are on
one side of the fence and the conservatives are on another.

Arguing about the meaning of a word. deja vu What does 'is' mean anyway.

laughable.

What is idiotic about some people believing marriage is between a man and woman?

mar·riage   /ˈmærɪdʒ/ Show Spelled[mar-ij] Show IPA
noun
1. a. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.
b. a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.


Do you think gays would endorse a bill called "gay marriage?" I know the answer to that.

Don't Like Gay Marriages? Don't Get one.
Don't Like Cigarettes? Don't Smoke.
Don't Like Abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like Sex and Porn? Don't do it or watch it.
Don't Like Drugs? Don't use them.
Don't like Alcohol? Don't drink it.
Don't Like Guns? Don't buy one.

Don't Like your rights taken away?
Then don't try to take away someone elses.

There are two sides to every coin.

"Idiotic" was not intended to be specifically for this issue but a blanket description of issues that ditto heads pull out the hypocritical tolerant liberal BS to attempt to discredit their opposing position.

The State should get out of marriage licenses and just deal with the legalities of property division and child support when a marriage fails.

I still have never heard how gays getting married effect heteros getting married. What's the big issue here?

Tolerance does not include tolerating the intolerant...

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Aw hell look at the good side, job security for divorce lawyers, An
entire new group to mine.

There's pretty much unlimited job security for divorce lawyers with all those "sancity" marriages out there already...I doubt this would appreciably increase the barrage...unless, of course, straight people realize that the sanctity of their marriage has now been compromised because two dudes they've never met or never will meet have now had a "wedding" and are "married"...those "our sanctity is ruined!" shitferbrains will just have to get divorced now, as a protest.

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Really, Ranty? I've already stated that I don't care if they marry or not. It is none of my business and I'm not in a position to judge others morality. Marriage still shouldn't be state sanctioned contract. Marriage should be up to the church.

I'm only pointing out that others have a fundamental belief that it is immoral. It's not up to me to judge those who are for or against it. I guess it is your responsibility though.

I should FOAD? You're pure class.

I think that if someone has a fundamental belief that it is immoral, then that's just fine and dandy by me...but if they take their "belief" and try to stop others from enjoying their lives because they think it's "immoral", then they can fukkoff.

Those who think it's immoral should not do it...and those who think it's not immoral should do it, if they want to...

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Golly! We could have voted to open a concentration camp for gays and it would be as legally sound as prop 8. GAY!

That Guru that colonized Antelope, Oregon a few years back said,
'if it feels good, do it.'
His cult didn't last long and then they started offing each other.

Ranty, there is no but. It doesn't affect me and I don't discriminate. I've hired openly gay people and we talk about our significant others all the time. I couldn't care less who they are with. We ski together, fish together, eat together, we've even been in the same church together.


As with all civil liberties issues our country has tackled, they have all taken time. This one will too and in the end, common sense will prevail. The only thing that galvanizes people, for or against, are people who feel it is their right to tell the other side what to believe. You do that very well. I will defer my opinions to you. After all, you're a climatologist, transportation engineer, political science expert, financial expert, foreign affairs expert, sociologist, etc..... Pretty f'n funny, if you ask me.

And while we're discussing this...the State House just passed the bill allowing gay marriage, sending it to the Governor where it is certain to be signed asap...those darn butt pirates and carpet munchers forcing us to un-sanctify our marriages...someone should pass a law!

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For every law passed, two should be repealed.

I think that anyone who even proposes a law that restricts others from having the same basic rights that the proposer has should themselves be repealed, not to mention any mention of their law.

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Ranty, where have I said it's ok to discriminate against anyone? Find where I've stated that and then post.

You're still quite funny, in a very pathetic kind of way.

Call me a bigot or whatever but watching our Goverment wasting time on issues like this is bullcrap who cares one way or the other, not me but not on my dime you aholes in Olympia get back to task and quit spending your time yakking about this special interest crap,Till Death do us apart!!!PEACE

Ranty, I'm not the one who has told someone else to F' off and die, I'm not the one throwing around accusations about others intent. Only stating it isn't a cut and dried issue. But, to you, it's ok to deny others an opinion that you disagree with. Please, before you bust your garter on your next post, point out any comment I've made saying that I think it's ok to discrimate. You can't..... But, you'll try.


If it's so simple, why hasn't every state sanctioned gay marriage, why hasn't the federal government?

Marriage, a word with a coupla thousand years precedence you might say.
Gay marriage, hell all marriages should be " young and gay" like the
phrase in " The Last Time I Saw Paris."