Thanks Redhook. Have you read Seven Arrows?

Let see: 500 years ago they hunted, fished, women did all the work, they paid no taxes, and their environment wasn't screwed up. Now tell me again, how lucky they are to have us white men?

take your [Bleeeeep!] down to the Amazon, find a tribe, give them a Jet Sled, a real hammer, 6 big macs, and a fully furnished house and tell me how happy they are....

I've had blubber. (Alaska) You can have my share. You'll never starve to death with a mouth full, 'cause it's the meet that just keeps on chewing. The more you chew, the more it's there. I'll stick with springers......

....and on that note, see my signature line.....

Good to know Alan. I'll try a small bite at first.

yeah well im not one of the white men that screwed anything up... my family came in on another boat long after the first ones came here... its part of the world, it happened, deal with it...

no Illy i have not read Seven Arrows, i only have a few books, mostly about old Indian fishing practices... and some about History and Mythology... i will go to the library and check it out...

Just to be a contrarian, the bald eagle is also king of the scavengers. The time of year around here, they're eating after birth (placenta) from calving cows. I've had them sit down behind a ewe giving birth, take the first lamb, eat the brains out of it, maybe some of the guts, and then go to another. Yeah, I like them, they're a majestic bird, but I also have a bit of knowledge about the other side of their life...they're actually a bit like magpies or ravens.

You know, of course, that Benjamin Franklin wanted the wild turkey for the national bird, thinking they were much more intelligent and wary, than the scavenger that he considered the eagle to be?

turkeys destroy land and habitat... proof of that is here in Wa State... there are FAR more turkeys here than eagles, something like 200+K

Indians are scavengers too.

And on that note you must remember that not all turkeys have feathers.

Bald Eagle, majestic bird, Golden Eagle even more majestic.
The Americn aborigines have used eagle feathers for centuries without
impacting the bird's population numbers. We come along and poison
the environment and nearly wipe tham out and want to tell every-one
how aware we are.KEEEERIST talk about inanity.

I don't think they need to use feathers any more, a simple wave goodbye to the Eagle would work.

good point Illy... but, im not the one that poisoned anything, and i highly doubt any of my family ever killed an Eagle.. i have been fascinated by them since i was a young kid, and still am..i used to love being out the the boat in front of the cabin fishing, watching them swoop down and take trout and salmon and flying up into the Madrone or Fir trees and eat them... i would rather protect them, i dont feel the need to kill any bird/mammal anymore... after whackin a few Coyotes, i found out that i didnt enjoy it one bit... i also would like to fully protect wild Steelhead, meaning ZERO killing of them, but since that is going over like a fart in church, i highly doubt anyone will listen to what my opinions are on Eagles anyways...

It's not your opinion on eagls that anyone has a problem with...I'd wager that there's no one here who likes to see them killed, or thinks we should kill more.

It's your bassacwards and ridiculous comments about Indians that are disagreeable.

When Alan, Illy, and I all agree on something...well, let's just say that doesn't happen too often

Fish on...

Todd

i was being sarcastic, to a point...

it wasnt just us that did all the damage, just like now, its not just us doing all the damage to the fish... you can say that we had a larger hand in the destruction, but how much of a hand? 60-40? 70-30? either way, its not just us, history is history, and is completely irrelevant in this... the eagles were endangered at a point, who cares who caused it, keep them protected...

yes, it may just be 2 stupid birds, but what if the other 25 tribes catch wind of this, and exercise their religious beliefs so that they can kill 2 birds, then it turns into 52 birds per year... eventually, they will be back to being endangered, why risk that?

How much of a hand in the destruction? I'd say...

White man: 99.99981 %

Indians: .00019%

Give or take.

52 ain't gonna happen, and it wouldn't make them endangered, anyway...the ESA had zero to do with eagles recovering, anyway, it was all about banning DDT.

Fish on...

Todd

Tongue in cheek here---Maybe the Native Americans could have had a bigger hand in destroying the land if they hadn't of gotten sick and died from smallpox.

are you saying that the white man brought smallpox here JG? cuz Ramses the 5th died of it in the 1100s BC... in Egypt..

Whats that got to do with anything? Maybe learn to actually apply that stuff you learn in them few books you have.

Best I can do is no firearms, no motor vehicles, no radios/phones.
No modern schitt whatsoever.

Gotta do it the old way.

Hand made bow, hand made arrow, stone, whatever.