#762237 - 05/26/12 09:07 PM
For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
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Registered: 05/28/04
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Loc: Burlington, WA
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Read it and weep: Consumers will pay more for many types of liquor beginning Friday, when private retailers can sell spirits in Washington for the first time since Prohibition ended.
The price hike, which a wholesalers trade group says could be 15 to 35 percent, comes as a shock to retailers and restaurateurs. But wholesalers say they need to cover increased costs and new investments. (Story Link)
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#762251 - 05/26/12 09:45 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Salmo g.]
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looks like no more 150 dollar bottles of Cognac for me...
for the moment, i see all high end companies sales in this state tanking..
Remy, Hennesey, Patron, Corvassier ect...
people wont be willing to pay 30 bucks a pint for Regular Hennesey... let alone the XO and other higher up versions... which will be even higher...
bought a bottle of Prince Napolean a while back for 120 for the 5th, 35% increase is almost 170...
gonna be interesting to see what happens, but i agree, the state needs to be out of it....
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#762303 - 05/27/12 12:21 AM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Illyrian]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 3007
Loc: Browns Point,Wa. USA
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I am just excited to have the opportunity to talk about this... I never thought I would see the day when I could walk into a store to purchase alcohol and not feel like a suspect from the FBI's most wanted list; let alone paying state prices. I don't feel sorry for state employees OR some union sniveling. This has all been covered before and Hannster's "I told you so" was nothing more than confirmation June 1st is a day to celebrate! Hallelujah
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#762314 - 05/27/12 12:41 AM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: JTD]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Browns Point,Wa. USA
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We made Lemon Drops tonight, which could explain my callousness, but I have another drink just for Redhook however it could be considered celebratory for Hankster's crying also... The Bengal Tiger http://m.drinksmixer.com/drink12u7t72.html
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#762345 - 05/27/12 02:48 AM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Rooselk]
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Registered: 07/06/09
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Read it and weep: Consumers will pay more for many types of liquor beginning Friday, when private retailers can sell spirits in Washington for the first time since Prohibition ended.
The price hike, which a wholesalers trade group says could be 15 to 35 percent, comes as a shock to retailers and restaurateurs. But wholesalers say they need to cover increased costs and new investments. (Story Link) Yah but you can now use your Fred Meyer rebates towards booze.
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#762355 - 05/27/12 09:29 AM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
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Registered: 05/28/04
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Loc: Burlington, WA
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Some people just can't fathom the thought there won't be any state fingers in the pie. They bristle when private enterprise does it, does it better and does it without the lingering cost to taxpayers to do it. So less choice and higher prices is somehow doing it better? Only in bizzaro Republicanland. You state-hating conservatives are so blinded by your ideology that you can no longer see the obvious. In that you are no different from the Marxists years ago who continued to preach the superiority of central planning even as the Soviet economy was crumbling around them.
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#762363 - 05/27/12 10:34 AM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Rooselk]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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One less gov't teat to suck on can't be a bad thing. Less gov't expense equals less taxes.......get it?
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#762376 - 05/27/12 12:31 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Illyrian]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 3007
Loc: Browns Point,Wa. USA
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Seems I was drinking last night... If anyone bothers to go back; please substitue the name "Rooselk" for any version of "Hank" iPhones and alcohol don't mix apparently in my world Sorry Hank
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#762388 - 05/27/12 01:51 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: JTD]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13508
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Rooselk,
Some of us are neither state haters, anti-union, Republicans, or even conservatives. If liquor now costs more from private vendors, it isn't because of some inherent flaw in that business model. It will be because of the additional taxes on liquor imposed by - guess who? - the state. Further, if marijuana is legalized beyond medical use, I don't think the state should sell it either, just as the state does not sell ibuprofen, percocet, or other drugs.
As a matter of personal political philosophy I believe that the state should be in the role of regulating services, if needed to benefit the public good, and only be the provider of services and rarely goods when the private enterprise model fails, (not intending to hijack) for example health care.
Sg
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#762400 - 05/27/12 03:12 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Salmo g.]
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There goes Salmo thinking rationally again. . .. . . .
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#762440 - 05/27/12 06:30 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Salmo g.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 3116
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Rooselk,
As a matter of personal political philosophy I believe that the state should be in the role of regulating services, if needed to benefit the public good, and only be the provider of services and rarely goods when the private enterprise model fails, (not intending to hijack) for example health care.
Sg The state would screw up auto insurance too, if they made maintenance and repairs, claim worthy. The only thing missing is the million dollar lawsuits after leaving the local quick lube with a dry oil pan. If the state prevented you from purchasing auto insurance out of state, there would be less competition. If only certain auto repair shops were allowed to do certain types of work, there would be less competition, just like hospitals. The state has been doing a lot more than regulating insurance, its been guiding it to run into a brick wall. That is why so many local health insurance providers left the state. Auto insurance execs dont work for free either. These are not the only drivers of high medical expenses, but they were the result of changes by government.
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#762453 - 05/27/12 07:53 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: Illyrian]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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The real problem is the budget. The taxes only pay for the budget. In order to reduce taxes, the budget has to be reduced. Over 50% of taxes collected go to schools.......true. And all this doesn't count the taxes that people vote on themselves.....that isn't a factor of the State, but of each County. You can't say, "Oh yes, I would like that."....and check the "yes, tax me" box and then cry when the bill comes due. Allowing people who don't have to pay the bill, vote on issues is beyond insane, and that is exactly what is done. Even the equalizer to that scenario (super majority requirement) has been extinquished by the people. Comical.......no, just dumb.
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#762545 - 05/28/12 10:15 AM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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I really don't care. I buy most of my booze at the duty free. Like so many things time will answer the question. If in a year or so we pay more for our booze . . .
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#762714 - 05/29/12 01:46 PM
Re: For those who voted to privatize liquor sales
[Re: FishRanger]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3344
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Whether this means the prices will stay higher in the long run or not, this is bad news for the restaurant industry for sure. Anybody who has spent much time in and around the restaurant business knows that liquor sales account for a large percentage of a restaurant's profit margin. They make very little on food after wholesale and labor costs. Obviously, this doesn't apply to in-and-out joints that don't sell alcohol, but for the specialty restaurant that counts on many folks having a beer, glass of wine, or cocktail (or three) with their meal, this will force them to increase their drink prices. I suspect that will dissuade a significant number among the already shrinking customer base from opting to purchase those beverages when dining out, and restaurants will close, putting more people in the unemployment lines.
I don't know what the rest of you are seeing around town, but my town has lost all but a few of its restaurants to bankruptcy over the past year or so, and I am hearing rumors that others are on the brink. Main Street is starting to look like a ghost town.
It bears mention that the local liquor store will re-open in June... With an estimated price increase of 17% on the bottle. The proprietor of that store was less than pleased with that prospect when I spoke with her last Thursday.
I suppose I'm glad to see the State getting out of the business of selling at least one sin to the public, but only in principle. I don't think it represents an economic win for anyone except the distributors and large buyers like Costco.
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