Why is it acceptable to mock one religion and not the other? Allowing others to react violently when they are offended by anything perceived as blasphemous is stupid.
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I didn't notice any violence in regard to Mormonism.
I do think, however, that all religions should be ridiculed equally...they're all pretty much exactly the same, so if you're going to bag on one you should bag on all of them...or none of them.
Inciting violence that results in dead Americans is stupid no matter how you cut it.
#787308 - 09/20/1203:38 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Christians believe in the REAL sky fairy?
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Maybe only Muslims and Jews want to replace things like science, facts, and logic with stuff like Creationism, abstinence only education, and that they can "pray away the gay"?
Nope...wrong again.
Maybe like I said there's actually no difference at all, except for which Book the various religions want to use as their excuse to be assholes?
The problem isn't necessarily with the given religion, but rather the people subscribing to them.
Quite few religions are based on some concepts that I think would make the world generally a better place if "properly" applied. Problem is, our (we the people) selfish, greedy, and in some cases downright evil natures F it all up.
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Don't tell that to people who think "don't steal" "don't lie" and "don't murder" weren't human values until Moses was handed the Ten Commandments.
You can't have a religion without the people...and you can rightly judge the religion by its people...and any objective judgment says they are all the same, and that instead of using religion as a force for good, it is all too often used as an excuse to be an asshole.
"Quite few religions are based on some concepts that I think would make the world generally a better place if "properly" applied. Problem is, our (we the people) selfish, greedy, and in some cases downright evil natures F it all up."
Very true. Most people blame the religion much like they blame the gun. I never have seen a bible or a Koran do anything but it is ok to be completely ignorant of their content just in case they do some day.
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"You can't have a religion without the people...and you can rightly judge the religion by its people...and any objective judgment says they are all the same, and that instead of using religion as a force for good, it is all too often used as an excuse to be an asshole."
No shortage of assholes regardless of what the topic. I see more asshole fisherman on the rivers than I do assholes in church. I don't see groups of fisherman giving up their time and treasure to build schools and hospitals for entire villages in Kenya. You are as ignorant as they come on the subject as with most but feel the more you post the more it looks like you know something.
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You voted for it when you cast one for Obama and he escalated it. You vote for it with every dollar you spend on anything involving oil. Absent both the wars would end. You cannot wash your hands of it just because you think our system works some other way. Your hands have as much blood on them as anyones. Rationalization and denial two dominate genetic traits of man.
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#787365 - 09/20/1205:12 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Originally Posted By: Hank
I'd say they're hopelessly outnumbered.
Were you about to make a point with this?
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#787370 - 09/20/1205:20 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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That WAS the point?
Wow.
Good one.
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Also on his youtube page for this video.. there are 5758 likes, 149 dislikes, and only 302 views on the viewcounter. How is that possible? Nice Youtube! way to stop a video from going viral by placing a false figure in the hit counter..which is the primary metric driving the video's ranking.
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I like the reference to "manufactured grievances" and how transparent and ridiculous it is...there's one thing that the Right Wing Religious Nuts here in the USA have in common with the Right Wing Religious Nuts in Muslim countries.
My favorite thing about PP is the strong sense of community and shared purpose.
For the record, as a Christian, I am embarrassed at prevalent "Christian" perspectives on things like homosexuality, women, environment, and government (to name a few). It seems to me that hating gay people for being who they are, subjugating women, denying global warming, and supporting candidates that actively seek the murder of civilians so defense contractors can make even larger profits doesn't exactly square with what I've read about Jesus. But hey, it's easier to hate and fear then be kind, compassionate and decent. Until Christians, including me, begin acting better and less hypocritical, we have no place to disparage Muslims, Jews, atheists or anyone else. Even then it's not my place at least
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Wow Sky-Guy. You're 100% right on the hit counter. That's a conspiracy theory that's actually not just a theory!
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My favorite thing about PP is the strong sense of community and shared purpose.
For the record, as a Christian, I am embarrassed at prevalent "Christian" perspectives on things like homosexuality, women, environment, and government (to name a few). It seems to me that hating gay people for being who they are, subjugating women, denying global warming, and supporting candidates that actively seek the murder of civilians so defense contractors can make even larger profits doesn't exactly square with what I've read about Jesus. But hey, it's easier to hate and fear then be kind, compassionate and decent. Until Christians, including me, begin acting better and less hypocritical, we have no place to disparage Muslims, Jews, atheists or anyone else. Even then it's not my place at least
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Can you still see the trailer that got the Muslim nutbags so butt-hurt?
I haven't seen it yet, but I heard something yesterday about one of the actors asking to have it taken down since it was so different from what the producer said it would be, and youtube told her "no"...so I'm assuming it's still there.
Yes, I would disparage and condemn that behavior (like I would condemn the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, Catholic abuse scandals, and religious genocide everywhere); what I will not do is claim moral superiority based upon my Christian faith, merely because it is my faith, and simultaneously ignore the fact that every group has fanatics who commit atrocities.
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to your first question: not at the moment, but I'm sure there are religious atrocities going on at the moment that don't involve Muslims; to your second: doubtful.
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just curious Odd. Do you anticipate being a sad old man? If so you have my sympathy. To be so afflicted and to look forward to being a sad old man must be depressing. I'm not sad altho I am a bit old. I can't keep up with the young ones any more at hunt camp but I find a tree with a view to sit under and if some venison comes my way. Bang The heart and liver are especially good even tho I am supposed to stay away from organ meat. Being an old man and all. lloll
#787418 - 09/20/1206:56 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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Originally Posted By: steelheader316
Hank,
to your first question: not at the moment, but I'm sure there are religious atrocities going on at the moment that don't involve Muslims; to your second: doubtful.
Westboro Baptist comes to mind... They just haven't upped their membership numbers to the point where they can start suicide bombings...
There is no acceptable violence but to sit idle and allow things to happen is almost just as bad. At least with the current extremist situations.
The more appauling thing that I see in this thread is a narrow scope on the World by some reasonably, dare I say, intelligent individuals. Islam is a HUGE religion that has influences in almost every country and to every border, yet the few, which is a small percentage of the total numbers cast a black eye on the whole Religion. People will argue and attack it for that reason, just as Todd views all Christians as assholes that hide behind a book.
This narrow view of Religion and the people of the World is a big contributor to the Worldly issues that we have today..
My favorite thing about PP is the strong sense of community and shared purpose.
For the record, as a Christian, I am embarrassed at prevalent "Christian" perspectives on things like homosexuality, women, environment, and government (to name a few). It seems to me that hating gay people for being who they are, subjugating women, denying global warming, and supporting candidates that actively seek the murder of civilians so defense contractors can make even larger profits doesn't exactly square with what I've read about Jesus. But hey, it's easier to hate and fear then be kind, compassionate and decent. Until Christians, including me, begin acting better and less hypocritical, we have no place to disparage Muslims, Jews, atheists or anyone else. Even then it's not my place at least
Rare to see something so well-stated on the Dark Site.
I have said it before and will challenge any of you that think Christianity and Islaam are alike with this challenge. You name a predominately christian nation and I will glady where a t-shirt proclaiming what ever you want about christianity and walk proudly down the street. You just got to do the same with a shirt proclaiming the same about Mohammed in a predominately muslem nation.
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So then how do ya explain the 82% of white, conservative, evangelical Christians who think Islam is evil and that all Muslims wanna do is kill infidels Hank?
That's a pretty big chunk of the American citizenry.
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#787434 - 09/20/1207:45 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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So then how do ya explain the 82% of white, conservative, evangelical Christians who think Islam is evil and that all Muslims wanna do is kill infidels Hank?
That's a pretty big chunk of the American citizenry.
weblo, the answer is in your mirror. They like you believe in something first and then seek out data to back uP their belief. Then they surround themselves with people that think like them and reinforce that belief.
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Edgar... rastafarian gardens this time of year are a thing of beauty and something to behold. Kind of like seeing a late '60's lime green AMC Pacer in the parking lot next to where you work. All one can say is that....Dooood " it tis a thing of beauty "
Does Sig know you're posting from the internet cafe ?
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for whats it worth religeon as a whole is a sham and money making racket. in the name of any god, it fuels hate of others. in the very near future goverments will kill religion, destroy all of it. otherwise no peace will ever be had.
"for whats it worth religeon as a whole is a sham and money making racket. in the name of any god, it fuels hate of others. in the very near future goverments will kill religion, destroy all of it. otherwise no peace will ever be had."
Why not , between the soviet union and the Chinese they killed 100 million people in modern times. A strong testamentonial to how great the world can be without religion. Everyone wants to point out how many people have died defending their religion yet they never do the homework to see the number pales to the wrath of the atheist. You fukers should pick up a book once and a while that's what would make the world safer.
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If the anti-religion phuckwads picked up a book they couldn't read it without crediting religion for the words, nor could they handle the truth about the nature of man.
Religion isn't a necessary ingredient for hatred and murder...merely being alive is. But 'guys' like Toff and his ilk wouldn't stand a prayer if it actually came to survival.....once the microwave didn't work, the lights at Taco Bell went out and the batteries died in the dildo he'd be done.....no doubt he'd be one of those that'd find refuge in the city and new Nikes.
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When I hear Toddler spew his hatred about religion, it reminds me of me......some time ago. That's another story. Now.....what or why does it matter who perceives what as a Power greater than him/her self, as long as the end result is being a better person than one was than before? If one's God (if you will) doesn't work, perhaps it is the perception of God that is screwed up. My 2
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No worries 4skin hating on one group for their Irrational beliefs with your own irrational beliefs passes for thinking here. At least you are consistent.
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#787541 - 09/21/1212:17 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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#787577 - 09/21/1203:01 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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We're not talking about the Dark Side, RvW - you stupid f.ucker.
We're talking about how Christians want our country's laws based on THEIR beliefs.
Pull your f'n head out.
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Originally Posted By: stonefish
After reading all of this, it just confirms even more why I'd rather go fishing then be sitting in church on Sunday.
You're going to aitch eee double hockey sticks for that too. Burn baby, burn.
So be it. I'm just happy my folks didn't try to jam religion down my throat at a young age. They let me choose my course, which is something I've always been thankful for. The world would be a lot better place without all the religious rhetoric, zealots and people telling me how I should live my life.
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We're not talking about the Dark Side, RvW - you stupid f.ucker.
We're talking about how Christians want our country's laws based on THEIR beliefs.
Pull your f'n head out.
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Some of you are mistaking ridicule for hatred.
Our "ilk" wouldn't even bother with you if you didn't continually assume all of us want to embrace your imaginary friend and his imaginary rules. We don't. Live your life the way you want and allow us to live ours, and we can get along just fine.
Dan....you're f'in donkey.
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Dans is the captain of the f'n donkey. I don't remember anyone bringing up Christianity but every time Islam is mention he and his ilk use it to launch at all religion and then focus on Christians, then blame Christians for starting it,
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#787590 - 09/21/1204:22 PMRe: Acceptable violence and hate!
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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The captain of the f'n donkey?
lol
What a f'n tool.
You don't remember when Tim said he was going to kick your ass and then you ran away either, but we all remember it.
Originally Posted By: RvW
Dan....you're f'in donkey
ESL?
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Lol. Our country was founded on some folks religious beliefs. One of them was; Pick Your Own. And Leave Me Alone. Trouble is. there are always those that think they should think for you.
Can't blame em tho, There are a lot of cretins out there.
Maybe only Muslims and Jews want to replace things like science, facts, and logic with stuff like Creationism, abstinence only education, and that they can "pray away the gay"?
Nope...wrong again.
Maybe like I said there's actually no difference at all, except for which Book the various religions want to use as their excuse to be assholes?
You reinforce my earlier post. Too many people focus in on the loud minority groups of each Religion. No every sect of Christianity expresses unacceptance of gays. I believe people that talk in Absolutes while basing on the more publicized loud mouth portions of groups, whether it be Religious, Race, Creed, Etc, are a bigger issue than those that are actually acting out. Absolutes breed stereotypes which breed ignorance.
I get what you are saying but those people are trying to promote what they feel matches up with their ideologies. Once again that is different from sect to sect and person to person. Overall the teachings of both Religions are of kindness and peace. What makes situations and people that are of different or no religion lash out at Religion, is when people take preachings and blow them out of proportion when not keeping them in context. It is the same thing Political reporters, pollers, and candidates do. Agreement and reinforcement of opinions/beliefs by Omission..
I just don't want religious fanatics creating new laws or repealing old ones based on their mythical deity that I don't believe in.
I'm a Christian and I don't care about gays getting married, I have no interest in the abortion debate and think birthcontrol should be sold in gumball machines everywhere.
To suggest that an individual shouldn't vote based upon their personal belief system whether or not it entails religion is fundamentally flawed. Moreover the repeal of old laws you mention are doubtfully being repealed by Christians, rather they're being encouraged to be upheld and not repealed. The ones like gay marriage, abortion, etc.
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Don't get in the way of a good Christian hatin rant RVW. Someone wants to hate and blame the people they hate for makin them hate em. BTW AM God was a real ass kicker ifin ya read the good book and understand it. The whole damnation to eternal hell is scarier than anything Hollywood could ever cook up . I doubt he would take offense to a little teasing of the non believers ever now and again.
The sunset here on the snake river was something to see with all the smoke in the air tonight. catfish jumping everywhere right now.
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I know TJ but I get a kick out of the hypocrisy of their rants and generalizations. Their ignorance is their guide and stupidity is their God. All they want is to be left alone so they can f.uck with others unfettered.
Bless their hearts...
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I have some very religious family members that don't care much (understatement) for God as I perceive him/her/it to be, and while they are not as intolerant as the "locals", they do have "issues".
You see, I don't care......they do.
And that's all there is to that.
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On an other note. Some of the folks in Libya have totally proven to those of us who were losing faith in the society/ culture that they can stand up for what is right. Damn I glad to see this latest news!
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I don't actually "hate" anything...but I will point out that the fools on this thread trying to paint me as something I'm not...which they, as fools, try to do all the time...those fools make my point for me every time they open their pieholes.
And they're such fools they don't even realize it.
Yes Todd you just pretend to be an intolerant fool on the internet like so many do I suppose. Deep down you're a really compassionate and understanding person.
I can't help but say Bullchit, even in the face of the levity intended. Odd is a frothing at the mouth meglomaniac. He is such a fool the mirror can't even convince him of his bias. Classic "they're all crazy but me." fella.
I almost forgot what the heck this thread is about. It's occurred to me that what this world needs is for every newspaper, magazine, and other publication to publish a Mohammud cartoon of the day, week, or month depending on the publication until the whacko Muslims get a fvckin' sense of humor. With 7 billion people on the planet, and 1 billion Muslims, they're outnumbered and never gonna' be able to kill the other 6 billion for blaspheming their Prophet. And if they do try, the other 6 billion might make it clear to them that the world is better off without Muslims.
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The day the Muslims get a sense of humor is the day the Christians do, or the Jews, or any other cult group...*not* having a sense of humor, or self-reflectivity, or humility, are things that all religions have in common....well, not "religions" per se, but all the members of said religions.
If they'd all take themselves, their supernatural fairy folk, and their pretend "being offended" a lot less seriously then the world would be a much, much...much...more pleasant place.
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Yes, they do, and yes, they have...and you continue to prove my point by thinking your philosophical crutch and asinine hate backed by 'religious feelings' is better than any other cult member's hate.
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Yeah..."any more"...because, of course, Christians and other cult members of other cults certainly don't spend a bunch of their time fuckking with other people's lives, and piss and moan about "religious intolerance" when they are called out for being bigots and pussies.
"Yeah, no one dies because of intolerant asshole religious nuts...unless those nuts are Muslims." Bravo Odd, a statement I can agree with. exceptions, Waco, Jonesvillle, Ruby Ridge to mention a few.