thanks for the prompt reply there edikj...

and I aint your sir, buddy. go back to your hole, hook's 'member' is gettin awfully dry...

still a bore

Gawd I love the internet. Thank you Al Gore!

RH means well (I guess) and his theories on this topic, while misguided & semi-psychopathic, have a small, small, small grain of plausibility.

However, victims are gonna be victims. The powers that be are gonna be the powers that be. Two wrongs don't make a right. The only right thing to do is accept that life in unfair; pick yourself up; better yourself in whatever way possible and MOVE ON (which I think Chuck hinted at five pages ago . You beat the system by being better than the system and if that requires a great lawyer - then go that route if you wish. The legal, ethical way. If not, wipe up the milk and MOVE ON! Dorner was too small of a man to grasp this simple concept and now innocent people are dead. Asshats like Dorner are why we can't have nice things.

And that's all I have to say about that. Fight the POWER!

Right on, the movie by fall.
Question is will Dorner be a hero or a victim or just a homocidal nut?

This thread is kinda like a Butthead and Beavis debate. Hilarious.

Redhook, you and the others are all entitled to your opinions. That's
what this country is supposed to be about.

Civil disagreement, what's that?

Sad for the victims. All the victims.

I suspect it will be more along the lines of how a corrupt system tipped over a homicidal nut...bad combination of characters, that.

Fish on...

Todd

since it looks like it's his corpse and this nightmare seems over.

lets get back to the officers who rittled that toyota titan. the cops did a supeb job! would have made yosimity sam proud!

here we have paid profesionals shooting up a truck with 2 womens deliveing newspapers. anyone know whats come of this part of the story?

probably hispanic or black...


...move along (tic)

4 victims lost their lives.

4 dead trucks. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and a Dodge. One demolished house.

My guess is that they wanted him dead, and had no intention on having him survive. "The burners are deployed and we have a fire."

The two ladies in the Toyota are hispanic.

Unless they mean something different than the obvious by "burners" it sure doesn't sound like they had any intention other than turning him into hot wings.

Fish on...

Todd

I believe the 2 newspaper women are "fine". One got struck twice but is recovering and the other was just hit with broken glass. The crazy part is looking at the photo and realizing that only 2 (of the 30?) hit the intended targets. The LAPD has already promised to buy them a new truck (I'm not joking). I suspect these ladies will never delivery another newspaper in their lives and will be getting a healthy check for their troubles. It will be well-deserved IMO. Just look at the photo of the WRONG TRUCK with the WRONG PEOPLE in it that were attacked by the very people sworn to protect them. Disgusting.

Really ? Contradict much ? You would have been a big hit in 1775 colonial America..........with the Brits.

Oregonian - I see the point you are trying to make, but its a BIG stretch to compare a lone wolf killer to our founding fathers. A single idiot does not a movement make. My post was about a normal brained, singular personal responsibility response in our judicial modern era. The brits did not hold sway on a court system anywhere near what we've created since (jury of peers and all that). Hyperbole much? C'mon man...

I'm not about to jump on board "the cops did all they could" ship.
The fkrs shot up [Bleeeeep!] they didn't need to and people in the process. That is unforgivable!! No two ways around it........Stupid fkn thugs is what they proved themselves to be.

Not condoning the perp.......has nothing to do with this bitch. If you can't act responsibly as a cop, you should be in jail. period.

We agree that what this guy did was wrong, I just don't really believe he could have simply appealled or "lawyered up" and got anywhere. I think he would have had to get public opinion on his side first.....and how is one man going to do that on a non-level playing field ?

Understood - but that's why we have a Jury of Peers...to get people on your side should one have an actual case (facts). Killing people, especially cops, may (or may not) make you a cult hero for a short time, but it really kinda hurts your case in court later on (if you can live to get your day in court). Every past injustice flies out the window when you kill a cop and it turns said cops into the "judge, jury and executioner" (which in and of itself is not right). For this particular case, that is why I said two wrongs don't make a right in my first post. No good, on any level nor from any side, can come from how he choose to go about this. There are other ways to be certain. In the end, all I know is that this one is complex and sad for all involved.

Thinking about this one some more...

I'm probably going to get slaughtered on here for saying this and I'm not really sure I'm 100% percent with it (rather just thinking about it)...but...

If Dorner was really innocent and a victim of corruption, maybe he would have been better served to take a cop hostage, fortify and hole up and call the media. He wouldn't have killed anyone (which just kills your case) and could have used the bully pulpit to his advantage to make certain he got his day in court.

Thoughts?

90% of law enforcement cant shoot worth a dam. Ive seen countless times cops at training classes that either couldn't hit there intended target or couldn't operate there weapon(s).
In a Magpul Dynamics Pistol class i took there where 5 cops. 3 out of the 5 where horrible shots and where there just because there department paid for them/made them go. One of the guys consistently had trouble with simple malfunction drills. The other 2 cops couldn't keep a group/consistently hit there target to save there lives. It was BAD!
At shooting ranges around here aswell I've had the privilege of seeing some god awful shooting from LEO.
I got pulled over by Redmond PD a few months back. The guy asked me if i had any guns and i told him yes sir as i handed him my DL and CCW.
The gun was in the center console and he went to the other side to take it out/disarm it. I told him that there wasn't a round chambered and he goes "Ok". Next thing i know as i am watching him clear it he proceeds to pull the slide back to check and chambers a freaking round. He forgot to drop the dam magazine. You could tell just by his demeanor that he was nervous the whole time while handling the gun. He acted like it was some foreign object he's never seen before. I was in amazement. A M&P Compact no less.

That car was riddled with bullet holes. Theres rounds down near the license plate. They riddled other cars down the street and hit the garage. Holy chit, they need more quals/training.
On the other hand I've seen some truly remarkable shooters and fellow friends that are LEO who could take out a fly at 20 yards. They take there training seriously and are constantly taking classes/shooting on there own dime to keep proficient. In this time of budget cuts/ammo shortages cops are going to have to train on there own dime. Its only going to get worse as Departments across the country are suffering from severe ammo shortages where they don't have enough for practice/quals. They need to ask DHS for some of there 4.5 billion Hollow Points that they bought...

Yikes! I just thought it was an internal review dealio (I admit I haven't followed it too closely). I didn't know it made it to court and that he later sued for an appeal and still lost. Nevermind!

I think we could leave race/sex out of the equasion, and presume there is a possibility of corruption...even in the media.

But, I guess he could have just called Jesse Jackson or the like, so I must agree with your point.

Ha ! Maybe someone advised him to "get the big gun", and he took it the wrong way.