A quick reminder about the Vast Left Wing Obama Socialist Kenyan Marxist Conspiracy To Steal Your Guns...

So far, despite the teeth gnashing, and bitchy whining, not to mention self-serving fear mongering from the guns and ammo industry, so far the President has championed one change to gun rights.

That one change?

Expanding gun rights to allow concealed carry in National Parks.

Just a quick reminder to the whiners and fear mongers.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm not going to read this asshole's manifesto. I've seen excerpts of it, and that is enough for me. The guy is a loon. I wish him a slow and particularly violent and painful death. Sorry if he felt wronged, but this is not the way you deal with it. Go out in your back yard, suck start your pistol, and see what happens.

Okay, because I like you, I went back and read the portion of his rant that you posted. Also, I was inviting him to suck start his pistol, not you. Just wanted to be clear on that.

When you purchase an NFA item through a trust there is a background check. It happens during the 6 month process, and then when it comes time to pick up your stamp and NFA item, a 4473 is completed for an "other" item, NICS data is pulled, and you either get a "proceed", or do not. He is misinformed.

As to the creation of an SBR, or SBS, all one really needs is a hacksaw, a vice, and a few minutes and you have a shortbarreled shotgun. To make an SBR, all you need to do is to take an AR-15 pistol upper, toss it on a rifle lower, and voilla', you have an SBR. Give me the parts and I can build a fully functioning semi auto AR-15 SBR in about an hour. Illegal as all get out, but easily done.

I could make just about any rifle into an effective SBR with a hack saw, as long as I left the gas system intact. Doing this will get you 10 years in federal prison, and up to a $250,000 fine.

The instances of legally obtained NFA items being used in a crime are few and far between. One suppressor incident, and one SBR incident, that we came up with in the past 20 years in our research before we proposed legislation covering suppressors and SBR's. You know why? Because good guys will go through the process. Bad guys, well, they are called criminals for a reason.

This is a mentally unstable criminal. I hope they shoot to wound, a lot.

I read the manifesto and concluded that corruption of LAPD is just as likely as this guy being loony. But the ex-cop is way, way out-numbered and probably a bit over the edge mentally.

RVW,

I think Todd knows that the Congressional gun control action is emotion, rather than logic based (in terms of probably reduction in gun murders), but that the momentum has reached critical mass and in now unstoppable. If that premise is correct, it behooves firearm owners and 2nd Amendment supporters to participate in crafting the best possible firearm legislation. That could be described as "damage control" particiipation, because it looks like the "no action" alternative is not on the menu.

Sg

Welcome to the conspiracy, Sg...and I'll note that the opposition to that emotional action is a very emotional reaction...and the writing is on the wall as to which emotional reaction is going to win this round.

Fish on...

Todd

The fact that I am friends with many people here shows that I have poor judgement. Just par for the course. Whats worse is people here like me. Well, some people.

Cool.

There is no loophole on NFA items. A form 5 is completed and they become the next registered owner, or they do through their trust. There is no way to get around the registraion of NFA items. I am merely doing what I can to allow them to use them now, and trying to guarantee their rights to own them in the future.

One can hope they shoot to wound, and that it takes him 5 hours to bleed out. Maybe he'll get hit, and then hole up somewhere and die. Sorry for my lack of compassion, but there are time when none is due.

As to MOLON LABE, the literal translation is "Come and take them."

one article is saying that he may have a .50 cal and a "shoulder fired missile launcher" they suspect...

what i find interesting about this situation, is the recent leak/release of the info about drone strikes on terrorist suspects on American soil...

right now, Dorner isnt a suspect, well, he is, but he is labeled now a terrorist... curious to see if they will use a drone to take him out vs get a bunch of their guys whacked from a mile out....

I'm pretty sure there the leak was about taking members of Al Qaeda, who happen to be Americans, on foreign soil...not drug dealers or psychos here in America.

Fish on...

Todd

true Todd, but they/we have never dealt with something like this that im aware of... yeah, nutcases killing cops, Clemmons, Monfort both were cop killers... but none of them had police training as Dorner has... Dorner also likely has a sh!t ton of weapons, as he stated as well... he knows exactly what the LAPD is going to do, what they are going to use to accomplish to get him, the processes ect... plus, they dont even know where hes at... why send a bunch of your officers into somewhere you dont know, with a guy that could take them out at several hundreds even thousands of yards with that .50, when they could just fly in and hit him if hes in say a cave holed up or something?

this is like a really crazy chess match... whos gonna get stuck in check mate?

That still doesn't turn him into an Al Qaeda member operating on foreign soil, so there will not be any



...because he's not a terrorist, he's not a member of Al Qaeda, and he's not on foreign soil...the three things talked about in the leaked memo.

If you're suggesting that the US Government will go after him based on the information in that leaked memo, then you're wrong.

If you're suggesting that the State of California will go after him with a drone, then that has nothing at all to do with the leaked memo.

Fish on...

Todd

Hopefully he's already frozen to death in an icy stream like that douch who killed the ranger last year.

This reminds me of...

Two trucks killed so far by the LAPD. Both of Asian descent. A third died due to self immolation.

Me thinks the LAPD is racist. Or there is a war on foreign trucks.

Given the evidence to date, there will likely be far more collateral damage in this war of LAPD v Titans, or Tacomas, or whatever Dorner may be driving now. Fear makes the inept just as dangerous as the insane.....

There is Nothing more dangerous than someone or someones who think they have nothing to lose. Whether true or not that they have something to lose, if they THINK they have nothing to lose........look out.

shootout in Big Bear happening now... they arent saying much, even if it was him or not, but they suspect it... i guess he may have been trying to steal a car...

Another truck may die today. Maybe two.

Dory Monson on 97.3 has been playing live feed from it... SH!ts CRAZY..

Think some good thoughts for the officers involved. Hope everybody gets to go home tonight.

Monson just got pranked...

they are saying tho that he is holed up in one of the cabins that they are focusing on..... there is also a "military like presence" around it... they dont know for sure, but they are also saying he may have more than 1 .50 Barrett...