Well that's what the headline on Fox News says.

It's not what the NY Times says though -- they say Obama has lost all credibility "on this issue" (the issue of Patriot Act enabled surveillance).

But why bother getting the whole quote right, when a subset of it is more aligned with what you believe and want to be true?

FWIW -- I am not remotely excusing/apologizing for the administration on this, they're dead wrong. The entire mess including the Patriot Act and the totally secret crap it enables is a fiasco.

Without a doubt the most embarrassing POS administration ever to puke on America.

What a fk'n joke.

He is well on his way to far exceeding those expectations

Privacy matters even if you have nothing to hide. It's not about having anything to hide, it's about things not being anyone else's business.

Do you have Curtains Chuck?

Can I see your credit card statements from last year?


If you choose to make this a political issue, this program started under Bush in 2001, and has been expanded by Obama. I personally dont think it is political, because the NSA and CIA are acting as rogue states within a state, regardless of what puppet administration is in place.

The Patriot Act is UnAmerican and unconstitutional.

Obama is turning out to be one disappointment after another. I keep asking myself how a president who seems so different from Bush can be so much like Bush. Unless of course, he's controlled by the same powers that controlled Bush. America is screwed.

This admin is just as fk'n insane as the last admin, and the one before that, and the one before that.

Totally agree SSF, your assessment of LBJ's escalation of the Vietnam conflict while pursuing his progressive programs is spot on!

I'm not surprised that those that lean right don't want to blame Bush and the Supreme Court, or Faux news. How about Team Cheney?

While not a fan of some of the things Pres Obama has/is doing he will have to go a long way over the cliff to even come close to being the total shitbag that W was/is. Killing people and sending our troops into a sovereign nation under false pretenses and sending our kids in there to do is unconscionable. Let us no forget his bankrupting our country to do it!

Apples and oranges!

Fishy

To place the blame, go back to the vote in '01 to authorize it. Only one Senator (Feingold) voted against it and the House voted for it 357-66.

If you voted for someone in the Senate or the House who voted against it, congrats. If you voted for someone who voted for it, consider yourself an accessory before the fact.

SMF - this admin aint NO different than the last one in any way.

Didn't Obama order a troop surge in Afghanistan? Haven't there been more soldiers killed there on his watch than on Bush's? Wasn't Afghanistan the war we should have fought instead of Iraq?

Disappointing yes, the same as Bush not a goddamn chance!


Fishy

Your finally right ... he is far worse that the previous disaster.

Good call

Well lets see ... he did give an income tax break.

He didnt take away any of my health benefits ...


He did create the tsa and that is a complete train wreck

I tried to find one thing this admin has done to benefit me in any way ... no can do.

go figure

lol

Nice spin move ... but a swing and a miss no less.

Although I didn't think the Iraq/Afghanistan wars were a wise move, I question why you say they were "illegal". Congress authorized the use of force and funded them. Courts in the U.S. and some of the Allies in the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions (the UK, Germany and the Netherlands) said they were legal.

I can only believe that support for Obama by vets is falling, just like it is in pretty much all polled groups.

Unemployment ticked up to 7.6% and overall employment in the U.S. remains 2.1% below where it was at the end of 2007.

I know you "can only believe" this...but it shows just what a clown you are.

Instead of what you can "only believe", you should consider...considering facts.

Not a standard right wing technique of analysis, I know...but it's really not all that hard.

First thing to do is to turn off Fox News. When you do you will quickly discover that what you "can only believe" is a set of made up bullshite that not very many people actually believe.

Second thing is to examine the past.

Just as when the right wing dipshits went after Clinton when everything was on the upswing, the right wing dipshits now are decrying Obama when the economy, jobs, consumer confidence, the housing industry, and manufacturing all all improving.

All of them.

Do right wingers care? Of course not...because they don't care about what is good for this country, nor do they care about what the other 80% of the country thinks.

They still think they are a "silent majority" when what they really are is a "bigmouthed minority"...a minority that gets smaller every day, albeit getting more bigmouthed every day as well.

These are the same people who were actually and truly dumbfounded when Romney got absolutely routed in the 2012 election.

How could they be so absolutely and incredibly wrong...especially when the other 80% of the country knew exactly what was coming...?

The reasoon they could actually be surprised is that they don't deal in reality...they deal in Fox News World, the un-reality that continues to tell them that everything is fine, and that it's all someone else's fault, but that we'll fix it for you.

Guess what? They're even more fullofshit than they ever have been, and those who "can only believe" what they really want to believe are just as fullofshit...the sad part is that they don't even know it. They actually believe what they want to believe.

I feel nothing but pity for them...well, pity and a bit of amusement, I must admit.

I have no idea what it will take for them to ever confront reality...it will probably never happen as "reality" and "right wing politics" are mutually exclusive, and believing in right wing politics rather than real world policy is how they have defined themselves.

At least they can hang out together and tell each other how right they are...I'm sure it brings them some solace.

Fish on...

Todd

Must be a damn tough question.............


crickets....

Lol

This country isnt about D and R anymore. Its political rape from these assholes who dont have a care in the world that doesnt beenfit themselves.

Still doesn't answer the question now does it?


Fishy

I am always good with that plan, spent all weekend on a ballfield myself

It is not "technically" a choice, joining the military IS a choice regardless of the reason. The purpose of the military isnt to provide free educations or a path of escape from simple life as some think it is.

Nuf said.


Fact still remains - this admin, is just as shiitty as the last admin and the next one, wont be any less shittier.

That I can guarantee you. This country isnt about D and R anymore. Its political rape from these assholes who dont have a care in the world that doesnt beenfit themselves.

Smells - I realize that things happen for a reason which is the limiting factor in many peoples choices and decisions.

We agree on a lot more than ya might think.

I aint totally unreasonable ya know ... well maybe (grin)


I hope in my lifetime the people are able to get some integrity back into the government. Until the entire process gets flushed for the do-over, the chance is slim.

Nearly all of Congress and certainly both administrations are complicit in the absolutely unAmerican disgrace.

Unfortunately, hundreds of thousands of Americans (in the public and private sector), including some on this board, that are complicit too. This isn't just govt secretly "breaking in". They were given the [Bleeeeep!] keys!