#842650 - 06/07/13 03:22 PM
Re: Pres Obama delivers on a campaign promise...
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I'm not surprised that those that lean right don't want to blame Bush and the Supreme Court, or Faux news. How about Team Cheney? There fixed it for ya! Fishy
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#842653 - 06/07/13 03:26 PM
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The most entertaining part to me is how the right wing fruitcakes continue to call Obama a "socialist", and then point out how he's more of a fascist than Bush was.
Clearly you are too busy watching FauxNews make up the news every day to actually know what those words mean. Believe it or not...they do have meaning beyond TeaBagger signs at Don't Touch My Medicare Anti-Government Takeover Rallies.
That being said...as a Progressive I'm very disappointed in Obama on many fronts, most of them situated around continuing right on doing the same crap that BushCo did for eight years...I, at least, am consistent in my disdain for those things.
It's the dimwits who loved it under Bush and now call Obama a criminal for doing the exact same thing who are the fuckin idiots.
Fish on...
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#842662 - 06/07/13 03:47 PM
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Suddenly, the MSM is shocked!
Of course, the Congress is not shocked. Do you remember your Congressman asking you if it is OK for them to hoard all your phone records and internet data?
How many trillions has the country spent so that two disco morons armed with pressure cookers can slip through the data dragnet despite the fact that several foreign intelligence agencies provided specific warnings? Apparently they were too busy trying to hire disco moron No 1 instead of trying to avert his twisted pressure cooker plot (or was that actually part of the larger plot?).
The problem is not the lack of information as they would like us to believe. The problem is the same problem as last time around. Stupidity, bureaucratic infighting, and reckless negligence.
How many trillions have been spent so we can learn that the same basic problem (Condi-nesia) as last time around has not been corrected?
Oh no, the answer to feckless government waste and surveillance bureaucracy is more domestic spying and civilian data mining.
In fact, that is just what the Bilderboogers are busy Googling over in Watford as you read this.
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#842663 - 06/07/13 03:53 PM
Re: Pres Obama delivers on a campaign promise...
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Stuff like this is why I call Obama a fascist fraud.
He could have done things differently - but he didn't and doesn't.
Bush's administration AND his administration are a disgrace. So are the voters in this country that didn't make sure the Patriot Act was never passed.
We're reaping what we've sown, and shouldn't be all that surprised. This admin is just as fk'n insane as the last admin, and the one before that, and the one before that. While not a fan of some of the things Pres Obama has/is doing he will have to go a long way over the cliff to even come close to being the total shitbag that W was/is. Killing people and sending our troops into a sovereign nation under false pretenses and sending our kids in there to do is unconscionable. Let us no forget his bankrupting our country to do it! Apples and oranges! Fishy Why do people continually search for the lowest common denominator to compare others to? Being phvcked by someone you voted for is more palatable than being phvcked by someone you despise? Makes sense if we're talking about personal relationships. Politics, not so much. So, Obama is less of a shytstain than Bush? That's something I'd keep my party affiliation for. All R and D means to me is our government researching and developing better ways to phvck me.
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#842680 - 06/07/13 04:58 PM
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To place the blame, go back to the vote in '01 to authorize it. Only one Senator (Feingold) voted against it and the House voted for it 357-66. If you voted for someone in the Senate or the House who voted against it, congrats. If you voted for someone who voted for it, consider yourself an accessory before the fact. That's BS because you can't blame "we the people" when due to the vast sums of money it takes to mount a successful campaign we are offered no choice other than bought and paid for whore # 1 or bought and paid for whore #2. For the most part all this republican vs. democrat and conservative vs liberal crap is stirred up to misdirect the public from the real problem,the take over of our system by mega $ interests that are threatened by the growing awareness of the need to take America back from the criminals that run this country.
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#842687 - 06/07/13 05:22 PM
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Get rid of the Citizens United case holding asap.
Publicly funded campaigns.
Term limits.
Most every problem we have will go away virtually overnight.
Unfortnately, the ones who need to do legislate those requirements are the ones who benefit the most from NOT legislating those requirements.
Fish on...
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#842691 - 06/07/13 05:33 PM
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We have people who think that the answer to an overreaching and abusive government is-------more government.
Amazing.
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#842693 - 06/07/13 05:38 PM
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To paraphrase an old witticism, passing statutes to control regulations is like fuking for virginity.
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#842708 - 06/07/13 08:26 PM
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SMF - this admin aint NO different than the last one in any way.
Not quite there Chuck. Obama certainly has disappointed me he has not asked us to send our young men and woman into harms way to start another illegal war, kill innocent civilians and further bankrupt us. He has tried to get our troops out and had to put all those past war bills on the books. Disappointing yes, the same as Bush not a goddamn chance! Fishy
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#842733 - 06/07/13 11:28 PM
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Didn't Obama order a troop surge in Afghanistan? Haven't there been more soldiers killed there on his watch than on Bush's? Wasn't Afghanistan the war we should have fought instead of Iraq? We shouldnt have been in either country on a false premise and innacurate justification. .
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#842735 - 06/07/13 11:55 PM
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SMF - this admin aint NO different than the last one in any way.
Disappointing yes, the same as Bush not a goddamn chance! Fishy But MORE LIKE Nixon, or at least Nixon showed a bit of LEADERSHIP BALLZ when he owned up on being AWARE & RESPONSIBLE!!!
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#842746 - 06/08/13 01:36 AM
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Obama may not have gotten everything right, but to compare him overall to the disaster called cheney/bush, is laughable. Your finally right ... he is far worse that the previous disaster. Good call So your saying that Bush did a good job? Fishy
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#842766 - 06/08/13 02:28 PM
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Obama may not have gotten everything right, but to compare him overall to the disaster called cheney/bush, is laughable. Your finally right ... he is far worse that the previous disaster. Good call So your saying that Bush did a good job? Fishy Well lets see ... he did give an income tax break. He didnt take away any of my health benefits ... He did create the tsa and that is a complete train wreck I tried to find one thing this admin has done to benefit me in any way ... no can do. go figure Let me guess, your not a vet and have never been put into harms way? You have never had a son or daughter put into harms way? So you have not stepped up to support this country and you think those that have illegally sent others into harms way are the best we have had!? That about sum it up? Fishy
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#842768 - 06/08/13 03:03 PM
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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ballot-...mney-over-obama I can only believe that support for Obama by vets is falling, just like it is in pretty much all polled groups.
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#842784 - 06/08/13 08:18 PM
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That about sum it up?
Fishy lol Nice spin move ... but a swing and a miss no less. Still doesn't answer the question now does it? Fishy
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#842785 - 06/08/13 08:20 PM
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So you have not stepped up to support this country and you think those that have illegally sent others into harms way are the best we have had!?
Fishy
Although I didn't think the Iraq/Afghanistan wars were a wise move, I question why you say they were "illegal". Congress authorized the use of force and funded them. Courts in the U.S. and some of the Allies in the Iraq/Afghanistan invasions (the UK, Germany and the Netherlands) said they were legal. Legality of the Iraq War The legality of the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been widely debated since the United States, United Kingdom, and a coalition of other countries launched the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: "From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_WarFishy
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#842786 - 06/08/13 08:20 PM
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I can only believe that support for Obama by vets is falling, just like it is in pretty much all polled groups. I know you "can only believe" this...but it shows just what a clown you are. Instead of what you can "only believe", you should consider...considering facts. Not a standard right wing technique of analysis, I know...but it's really not all that hard. First thing to do is to turn off Fox News. When you do you will quickly discover that what you "can only believe" is a set of made up bullshite that not very many people actually believe. Second thing is to examine the past. Just as when the right wing dipshits went after Clinton when everything was on the upswing, the right wing dipshits now are decrying Obama when the economy, jobs, consumer confidence, the housing industry, and manufacturing all all improving. All of them. Do right wingers care? Of course not...because they don't care about what is good for this country, nor do they care about what the other 80% of the country thinks. They still think they are a "silent majority" when what they really are is a "bigmouthed minority"...a minority that gets smaller every day, albeit getting more bigmouthed every day as well. These are the same people who were actually and truly dumbfounded when Romney got absolutely routed in the 2012 election. How could they be so absolutely and incredibly wrong...especially when the other 80% of the country knew exactly what was coming...? The reasoon they could actually be surprised is that they don't deal in reality...they deal in Fox News World, the un-reality that continues to tell them that everything is fine, and that it's all someone else's fault, but that we'll fix it for you. Guess what? They're even more fullofshit than they ever have been, and those who "can only believe" what they really want to believe are just as fullofshit...the sad part is that they don't even know it. They actually believe what they want to believe. I feel nothing but pity for them...well, pity and a bit of amusement, I must admit. I have no idea what it will take for them to ever confront reality...it will probably never happen as "reality" and "right wing politics" are mutually exclusive, and believing in right wing politics rather than real world policy is how they have defined themselves. At least they can hang out together and tell each other how right they are...I'm sure it brings them some solace. Fish on... Todd
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#842788 - 06/08/13 09:17 PM
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Opposition to the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
Opposition to the decade-long Afghanistan war stems from numerous factors – these include the view that the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was illegal under international law and constituted an unjustified aggression, the view that the continued military presence constitutes a foreign military occupation, the view that the war does little to prevent terrorism but increases its likelihood, and views on the involvement of geo-political and corporate interests. Also giving rise to opposition to the war are civilian casualties, the cost to taxpayers, the length of the war to date, and the estimates by many that it could last for many more decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29
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#842789 - 06/08/13 09:19 PM
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Unemployment ticked up to 7.6% and overall employment in the U.S. remains 2.1% below where it was at the end of 2007.
why did you pick the end of 2007? seems odd since obama wasn't inaugurated until 13 months later.
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#842790 - 06/08/13 09:20 PM
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WMD situation in Iraq taught U.S. about importance of facts The hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq taught the U.S. about the importance of determining facts prior to taking action, the U.S. State Department said on Wednesday. http://www.bioprepwatch.com/weapons_of_b...f-facts/330613/Fishy
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