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#858305 - 09/20/13 02:09 PM Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org
Idaho Mike Offline
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Article off of MSN debunking some of the myths over the Affordable Care Act (to you Fox news viewers that would be Obama Care). Warning: Some of my ultra conservative friends assure me that Factcheck.org and other's like it are nothing but a liberal plot to squash the truth. If your one of those who believe that; then please move on to the next topic in the forum; there is nothing for you to see here.

http://news.msn.com/us/fact-check-the-true-false-and-overblown-on-obamacare
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#858313 - 09/20/13 03:21 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: Idaho Mike]
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It's MSN....
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#858320 - 09/20/13 04:51 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: Idaho Mike]
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Mike has polished off the rest of the Kool-Aid. crazy
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#858327 - 09/20/13 05:58 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: Sol Duc]
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Don't be surprised, Mike, that the resident experts on all things aren't amused.
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#858331 - 09/20/13 06:03 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: IrishRogue]
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You're coming around. laugh
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#858335 - 09/20/13 06:33 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: Sol Duc]
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No, it just looks that way because your head is up your a$$
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#858337 - 09/20/13 06:52 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: IrishRogue]
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Wow...another angry libturd...don't go on a shooting spree somewhere now. laugh
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#858432 - 09/21/13 02:24 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: Sol Duc]
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The affordability (both to consumers and taxpayers) of the ACA aside, here's something I just don't get no matter which side of the issue you come down on:

Can someone please explain the excise tax on businesses who buy their employees too good of insurance? Why is the gov financially motivating businesses to cut benefits? Just don't see the reasoning.
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#858440 - 09/21/13 03:09 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: OceanSun]
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Loc: Island Time
"Medical Excise Tax on Retail Receipts

The 2.3% Medical Excise Tax that began on January 1st is supposed to be "hidden" from the consumer, but it's been brought to the public's attention by hunting and fishing store, Cabela's, who have refused to hide it and are showing it as a separate line item tax on their receipts.


Q1. What is the medical device excise tax?
A1. Section 4191 of the Internal Revenue Code imposes an excise tax on the sale of certain medical devices by the manufacturer or importer of the device.

Q2. When does the tax go into effect?
A2. The tax applies to sales of taxable medical devices after Dec. 31, 2012.

Q3. How much is the tax?
A3. The tax is 2.3 percent of the sale price of the taxable medical device.
See Chapter 5 of IRS Publication 510, Excise Taxes, and Notice 2012-77 for additional information on the determination of sale price.

IRS.gov < http://irs.gov/> Chapter Five http://www.irs.gov/publications/p510/ch05.html< http://www.irs.gov/publications/p510/ch05.html>

So being more curious I clicked on "Chapter 5 of IRS Publication 510."

And what do I find "MEDICAL DEVICES" under------"MANUFACTURERS TAXES"?

The following discussion of manufacturers taxes applies to the tax on:

Sport fishing equipment;
Fishing rods and fishing poles;
Electric outboard motors;
Fishing tackle boxes;
Bows, quivers, broadheads, and points;
Arrow shafts;
Coal;
Taxable tires;
Gas guzzler automobiles; and
Vaccines.


IRS.gov < http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p510.pdf

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#858479 - 09/21/13 06:53 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: ]
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Not at all what I was asking about guys. The "Cabelas Tax" was debunked a while ago.

Here's the "Cadillac Tax" I was referring to:

http://healthcare-legislation.blogspot.com/2012/07/worried-about-cadillac-tax-already.html

https://www.aetna.com/health-reform-connection/questions-answers/excise-tax.html
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#858487 - 09/21/13 07:33 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: ]
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Son's healthcare at Microsoft is being downgraded below the "cadilac" level.
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#858489 - 09/21/13 07:36 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: ]
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LOL - thanks Hank.

I've had the fortune of working mostly for companies that provide benefits that would be heavily taxed (40% penalty for providing too good of health benefits - YGTBFKM) under this plan and wonder how that will negatively affect my future benefit packages. Hitting middle age with a wife and five kids benefits is a much bigger deal now.

This explanation I found
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonk...e-in-obamacare/

states the goal is for employers to scale back what they spend on UN-TAXABLE benefits and instead add more to their employees TAXABLE pay checks (again YGTBFKM if you think that's going to happen)

So bottom line is the ACA will penalize businesses to coerce them into moving more of their outlay into a taxable category. Pretty sneaky tax if you ask me.
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#858493 - 09/21/13 07:47 PM Re: Affordable Care Act by Factcheck.Org [Re: OceanSun]
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So JG - I'm sure MS increased his salary a corresponding amount? Didn't think so. In the end this penalty won't even have the intended effects. Will just penalize those of us who've worked our a$$4s of to get to the place where we can land a job with those benefits. Thanks POTUS!! Having raised 5 kids as a single father with no child support while working said 4$$ off it 's not like a luxury tax on the 1%er's.

Looks like this one is going to hit the middle class right in the pocket book with higher premiums, lower premium coverage by employers, higher deductibles and co-pays, etc. Sure making health care more affordable for me - NOT. ACA my 4$$.

OK rant done for now. What do you pro-ACAers say about this aspect of the law?
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